steve_69

If Ashley hired the people who caused this sitaution the he should be held responsible? Great idea moron, what happens to the people who were actually responsible for it then? They sit back in their plush offices and laugh at you for directing your vitriol at a man who probably isn't even in this country. Do you realise how stupid you sound? Let's not target the criminal, let's target his parents for having him in the first place.

Have you actually read the original post or the rest of the thread? Mike Ashley did. He hired them to look after the day to day running of the football club because no doubt, being a billionaire businessman, he doesn't have the time on his hands to do it himself. Blaming Ashley (if the scenario i've portrayed is correct) is like blaming the owner of ASDA because your local branch has run out of baked beans - he hired the man who hired the man who hired the man who hired the woman who hired the person that orders the baked beans, therefore the owner must be killed! What i'm trying to do is offer a realistic alternative scenario. Clearly you lot are so determined to conduct a witch hunt for Ashley that you might actually be letting the people who are directly responsible for this situation to get off scott free.

Chris Mort was always a short-term Chairman. It was one of the first things he said when he joined the club. Look, it's all speculation and the scenario i've proposed is completely hypothetical but just because the Fat lad sits in the stands every weekend does not mean he is involved in the day-to-day running of the club. Unfrotunately he has bigger fish to fry. I've no doubt that he was kept abreast of developments but if, as reported, this all happened within the space of a day there's a good chance it was all over before he could do anything about it. I'm not saying he isn't partly to blame, but i'm not prepared to driect all of my fury at Mike Ashley until I know the facts. For now the people i hold responsible are those that i know for certain had a hand in this, namely Wise, Jimenez and Lambias.

I'm not saying he didn't know anything about it but Newcastle United is only one of his companies. His bread and butter comes from running a billion dollar business portfolio. If any of you think he is present at every Newcastle United board meeting then you are the delusional ones. I'm sure he knew what was going on but what i'm not sure about is how much influence he was able to have over proceedings if he wasn't present. Sports Direct will always be Mike Ashley's priority because that's where his money comes from. If he was involved in a meeting to do with Sports Direct and he received a phonecall from Lambias about his bust up with Keegan, he's more likley to have said 'you sort it out for now, i'll be back asap' by which time things could've reached breaking point. He's a businessman who happens to own Newcastle United. We are not his primary concern.

The capacity for self-delusion that exists within our fan base never ceases to amaze me. That said, it's probably what also makes the Toon Army so special. Do you report directly to the owner of the company at your job or do you report to a line manager? There is a chain of command at every comapny and it's no different at Newcastle United. What do you think he was told by Ashley 'if you have any problems report them directly to me because i've got loads of time on my hands. Forget about Lambias, he's only there to do the paperwork'. The manager of a football club reports into the Chairman in most cases, not the owner. Why is the possible scenario i've suggested so delusion then?

Surely that's the Chairman's jobs isn't it, not the owner's. The owner puts someone in charge of running the football club, that person in this case is Derek Lambias. He will therefore be responsible for the hiring and firing of all other staff won't he? I'm pretty sure if Keegan wanted Wise and Jimenez sacked he would have to take it up with the Chairman of the football club not the owner.

What if Ashley hasn't been involved in this debacle because he's been away in the US as reported? The Chairman of a football club is responsible for its day to day running, which could mean that Derek Lambias is the man responsible for Keegan's resignation. It's possible that the board meetings took place without Ashley presence and the damage was done before he had a chance to do anything about it. If this was the case then the stories of Ashley trying to get KK back may be true. They've always said they have a good relationship and there seems to be a mutual respect between them. Maybe we're targetting the wrong man.

Let's bear in mind that Milner asked for pay rise one year into his contract, and then put in a written transfer request when that was (rightly) refused. If you then get a £12 million bid for the player (and I don't think I've heard anyone say that wasn't a good price) you'd have to be stupid not to accept it. I can't see that the Board are in any way at fault there. If Keegan resigned over selling a player of Milner's calibre for £12m then it's not Ashley that we should be protesting against. If everything we're hearing is correct then Keegan was undermined, manipulated, lied to and made to look a fool by his employers. That took away all the trust and faith he had in them - they'd done it once so what would stop them doing it again? It doesn't matter what deal or potential 'solution' they put on the table, once he knew he couldn't trust them there was never a chance he would stick around. IMO Ashley and his team are 100% to blame for this. The first sign that Keegan wasn't happy with the way things were working should've prompted change - that was the only way this could've been avoided. I'll never stop supporting Newcastle United but my love for the club has diminished after this sorry episode.

If that fat cuntsack makes Dennis Wise manager he will confirm himself to be the most out of touch, clueless fuckwit to ever be involved in football. What a fucking disgusting insult that would be. Surely he isn't that stupid.......?

I couldn't give a toss any more. It'll no doubt be someone completely shit because only the desperate will be queuing up for this job now. I want Keegan to be the manager of Newcastle United so anyone else will be a disappointment.

I reckon that's me done now. The last few years as a Newcastle United supporter have been fucking horrendous and this is the straw that broke the camels back. Things were just starting to look up but Fat Mike and his cockney rebels have ripped the heart out of this great football club. Everything that represents Newcastle United has been destroyed for me - the fans no longer mean anything to the club, the man in charge has more interest in making money from the club rather than having a genuine passion for making it a success, the manager who means more to us than any other has been forced out. Not a single penny of my money will go to Newcastle United while this lot are in charge. Fuck em!

There's only one way that this can be resolved in a positive way and that is for Ashley to give Keegan what he wants. The players want him here, the fans want him here and he wants to be here. No manager worth his salt will come and work with the set up as it is, now that the problems have been publicly highlighted. Dennis Wise is hated and not wanted at the club, the same goes for Jimenez and possibly Lambias as well. The only man we are all 100% decided that we want here is Kevin Keegan.

One man doesn't run a football club but one man should run team affairs including which players he wants playing for him. That man is the most important person at the football club because he determines whether or not we are successful. All other employees of the football club are there to support the manager, and that includes the chairman, director of football, scouts, contract negotiators, coaches, players, boot boy etc. That is why Keegan should be given exactly what he wants and needs if he is to do his job to the best of his ability. Ashley should say to Keegan 'this is how much you have to spend, this is our salary cap, all players purchased must be under the age of 26. Now off you go sunshine, go and bring us some silverware'. End of! Try telling AC Milan, Barcalona, Real Madrid and Chelsea that. None of them clubs run under the system you have just described, as well as half the clubs on the continent. The Chairmen of all of these clubs buy and sell player sbehind their managers' backs. Are you sure about that?

One man doesn't run a football club but one man should run team affairs including which players he wants playing for him. That man is the most important person at the football club because he determines whether or not we are successful. All other employees of the football club are there to support the manager, and that includes the chairman, director of football, scouts, contract negotiators, coaches, players, boot boy etc. That is why Keegan should be given exactly what he wants and needs if he is to do his job to the best of his ability. Ashley should say to Keegan 'this is how much you have to spend, this is our salary cap, all players purchased must be under the age of 26. Now off you go sunshine, go and bring us some silverware'. End of!

With eveyone fit i'd go for the following: .....................Given Beye....Taylor........Coloccini.....Enrique ......Geremi..Guthrie..Nacho ......Martins. Owen..Jonas

The club have made their announcement, they want Keegan to be part of their "long term strategy". We are now waiting to hear from KK on whether he wants to be part of it is how I read it. I don't think there's any doubt he wants to be part of the club's long term strategy but whether he wants to continue working wth a bunch of hapless cockney fuckwits is a different matter.

Wasn't it Ashley who made the comment about the wow signing in the first place? Fickle cunt!

The club can progress with its long term strategy but they have to understand that after the players, the manager is the most important person at a football club. Everyone else is just there to support the manager in whatever capacity he needs them to. If it's obvious to the manager that he is not considered the most important person at the club by the top brass, then he knows he cannot do the job to the best of his ability, and in Keegan's case that's not good enough. I admire Mike Ashley for what he is trying to do with the club but he has to realise that what happens on the pitch is more important than anything else. If his way of running the club is damaging progress on the pitch then it is up to him to change it for the good of Newcastle United.

I'm a biit confused about the continued references to Dennis (cockney spiv) Wise. We definitely don't want him as manager, that much is a given, but why is everyone so sure that he is at fault for this entire situation? Have i missed something?

Not half as stupid or embarrassing as the bunch of idiots holding up a 'Boycout the club sign'. If you're going to get on telly holding up a message painted on a sheet, at least spell the fucking thing right. Regarding the situation with Keegan my take on it is that the one thing Keegan stipulated when he took over as manager is that he has final say on all transfers. He even reiterated this a few weeks back in an interview. It seems as though some transfer related decisons were made behind his back in the last few days, and he's rightly kicked off about it.

The question isn't who's available, it's who would prepared to come and work at this disaster of a football club?

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too. No doubt your opinion of them will go something like "They've done well but i'd have preferred fat Mike to splash £200m of his massive fortune on some big name players". Admittedly i haven't seen them play an entire season but what i have seen is 3 foreign players (2 of them current internationals for one of the world's best international teams) adapt to a new league in a new country very quickly, and put in excellent performances against the reigning european champions. Guthrie perhaps doesn't look excellent yet but he's certainly improved our CM area. I understand that positivity has no place on this forum but I make no apologies for my optimism. and you know this how? Just a hunch. Don't give up your day job mate! So you are impressed with the signings we've brought in, you do agree that the squad is stronger than it was last season and you are impressed with the new recruitment team's ability to sign quality players without spending ridiculous ums of money? How do you know we have signed ANY quality players? I remember a scout saw me twice and said about me "he's some quality isn't he?" I wasn't!! Look pal if they're good enough to play for Argentina, Uruguay, Spain U21, England U21 and France U21 it's a pretty good indication of their quality. OK, so they'll be great in the English Premier League (and all winter). Thats ok then. Your posts have been questioning the quality of the players we've brought in, not their ability to adapt the British climate and style of football. Change the f***ing record you miserable tool!!!! Thank you for the pleasant language. I think you will find that Kevin Keegan thinks the same as I do. A few days ago I tried to get the message across on here that there was something DEEPLY wrong at our club - there was something hugely wrong with Ashley, there was something (I used the word) "smelly" at our club. You will be noticing soon that I was right. That may make YOU happy, but it does not make me happy to see all this rubbish happening at our club. Your vitriolic words do not help. Look, you were making a point about the quality of the players brought in. I countered that point with my views on the same subject. You then starting on about something completely different - the ability of our new players to adapt to the Premiership. Now you're talking about something entirely different again. I fully agree that there seems to be something wrong with the new player recruitment structure we have in place and the fact that Keegan seems to be being undermined by the board. However this is completely off the subject of your original argument. Despite all of the underlying problems at the club i still think the players that have brought in are very good. We could have done with one or two more but i'm glad we didn't just splash the cash for the sake of it.

Dennis Wise should not be allowed to manage our club (if Keegan has gone). He's a toss manager who was found out at Leeds as soon as Poyet left.

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too. No doubt your opinion of them will go something like "They've done well but i'd have preferred fat Mike to splash £200m of his massive fortune on some big name players". Admittedly i haven't seen them play an entire season but what i have seen is 3 foreign players (2 of them current internationals for one of the world's best international teams) adapt to a new league in a new country very quickly, and put in excellent performances against the reigning european champions. Guthrie perhaps doesn't look excellent yet but he's certainly improved our CM area. I understand that positivity has no place on this forum but I make no apologies for my optimism. and you know this how? Just a hunch. Don't give up your day job mate! So you are impressed with the signings we've brought in, you do agree that the squad is stronger than it was last season and you are impressed with the new recruitment team's ability to sign quality players without spending ridiculous ums of money? How do you know we have signed ANY quality players? I remember a scout saw me twice and said about me "he's some quality isn't he?" I wasn't!! Look pal if they're good enough to play for Argentina, Uruguay, Spain U21, England U21 and France U21 it's a pretty good indication of their quality. OK, so they'll be great in the English Premier League (and all winter). Thats ok then. Your posts have been questioning the quality of the players we've brought in, not their ability to adapt the British climate and style of football. Change the fucking record you miserable tool!!!!

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too. No doubt your opinion of them will go something like "They've done well but i'd have preferred fat Mike to splash £200m of his massive fortune on some big name players". Admittedly i haven't seen them play an entire season but what i have seen is 3 foreign players (2 of them current internationals for one of the world's best international teams) adapt to a new league in a new country very quickly, and put in excellent performances against the reigning european champions. Guthrie perhaps doesn't look excellent yet but he's certainly improved our CM area. I understand that positivity has no place on this forum but I make no apologies for my optimism. and you know this how? Just a hunch. Don't give up your day job mate! So you are impressed with the signings we've brought in, you do agree that the squad is stronger than it was last season and you are impressed with the new recruitment team's ability to sign quality players without spending ridiculous ums of money? How do you know we have signed ANY quality players? I remember a scout saw me twice and said about me "he's some quality isn't he?" I wasn't!! Look pal if they're good enough to play for Argentina, Uruguay, Spain U21, England U21 and France U21 it's a pretty good indication of their quality.