BottledDog

Irony? No, you've lost me. A pub cannot do fundraisers for locals like the lad who ran in his toon top the length of Britain? A pub landlord canot give his opinion on how shitly staff are treated down the local bookies/pub/whatever? What the fuck are you talking about. They can say what the fuck they like. They can say whatever the fuck pisses them off, interests them, grinds their fucking gears. It's their site. they pay for it. If you find it of use that's all well and good. if not, they couldn't/or at least shouldn't give a shit. I don't frequent the site, but find it useful whether it be seeing whether my opinion coincides with their match reports or just checking up on transfers or old stats. They are not the fucking BBC, it's not like you pay taxes for their impartiality. Have you changed your mind about me "growing the fuck up" then? If you don't understand what irony is, then I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you. I'll just ask you a simple question: Should the owner of a pub not have the same rights as the owner of a website to do what they want with their business? Having re-read your post it's pretty obvious that you totally misunderstood what I was saying, which was: that it's inconsistent for someone to criticise people for passing comment on what someone else has said, by saying that the original person has the right to say whatever they want and should be free to criticise the actions of a third person. Do you understand what I'm saying? I never actually gave my own opinion on the matter so the majority of your post is completely irrelevant to what I did say, but I'll give it now. I think that the pub owner has the right to run his pub as he sees fit, that .com have the right to run their website as they see fit, and we have the right to criticise them as we see fit. Is that ok with you? Sorry. Ignore me and my post pub rants. I'm a terrible drunk. :-[ No worries, mate. Gah, I'm also a bit rubbish about changing my posts after I post them. Meh, happy Saturday everybody.

Irony? No, you've lost me. A pub cannot do fundraisers for locals like the lad who ran in his toon top the length of Britain? A pub landlord canot give his opinion on how shitly staff are treated down the local bookies/pub/whatever? What the fuck are you talking about. They can say what the fuck they like. They can say whatever the fuck pisses them off, interests them, grinds their fucking gears. It's their site. they pay for it. If you find it of use that's all well and good. if not, they couldn't/or at least shouldn't give a shit. I don't frequent the site, but find it useful whether it be seeing whether my opinion coincides with their match reports or just checking up on transfers or old stats. They are not the fucking BBC, it's not like you pay taxes for their impartiality. Have you changed your mind about me "growing the fuck up" then? If you don't understand what irony is, then I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you. I'll just ask you a simple question: Should the owner of a pub not have the same rights as the owner of a website to do what they want with their business? Having re-read your post it's pretty obvious that you totally misunderstood what I was saying, which was: that it's inconsistent for someone to criticise people for passing comment on what someone else has said, by saying that the original person has the right to say whatever they want and should be free to criticise the actions of a third person. Do you understand what I'm saying? I never actually gave my own opinion on the matter so the majority of your post is completely irrelevant to what I did say, but I'll give it now. I think that the pub owner has the right to run his pub as he sees fit, that .com have the right to run their website as they see fit, and we have the right to criticise them as we see fit. Is that ok with you? Sorry. Ignore me and my post pub rants. Somehow the sentence "I agree with you completely" got somehow corrupted on the way down to my fingers. Man, I'm a terrible drunk. :-[

Irony? No, you've lost me. A pub cannot do fundraisers for locals like the lad who ran in his toon top the length of Britain? A pub landlord canot give his opinion on how shitly staff are treated down the local bookies/pub/whatever? What the fuck are you talking about. They can say what the fuck they like. They can say whatever the fuck pisses them off, interests them, grinds their fucking gears. It's their site. they pay for it. If you find it of use that's all well and good. if not, they couldn't/or at least shouldn't give a shit. I don't frequent the site, but find it useful whether it be seeing whether my opinion coincides with their match reports, or just checking up on transfers or old stats. They are not the fucking BBC, it's not like you pay taxes for their impartiality.

Not really. I didnt mean from your perspective. And what perspective is that?

Agreed. As I said earlier. An amazing thread that tells a story, tbh.

You're ignoring the fact he says this season is a write-off already then? Wish he'd told me like, I'd have saved £250. I'd also like BD to explain how pointing out when someone is over £163m out in their estimation of what Ashley has spent and implying they hadnt even thought about what they posted makes me a 'hateful little cunt'. Thats abusive imo. Can BD also point out where i was abusive to anyone in this thread? I'm not going to stoop to his level on this. And nor should you. Thick, lacking in brains and fucking stupid cropped up in your attacks on peoples arguments. Abusive? I can't speak for those on the receiving end. Aggressively and unnecessarily over the top when there were pretty fair opinions being aired? Imho, yes. I reacted in a similar over the top way, and while I did change it almost immediately, no excuses, I have the unfortunate mouth of a sloshed navvy and apologise for that.

I guess it's the difference between hope and expectation. Every season I hope we'll win something, but I don't expect us to. Maybe if I supported Man Utd or Chelsea I'd expect it. FWIW I think we're heading in the right direction, I think SA is cannily rebuilding the squad, so I don't see this as a wasted season waiting to happen at all. Maybe after the January transfer window would be a better time to start complaining. Anyone writing off the season before it's begun should really expect to get shot at imo. I doubt the OP expects to win things, just thinks that with a little extra push we could significantly improve our chances to end the drought, which is fair enough. All the other predictions of success beyond this season seem to rely wholly on Sam lasting the distance and building year on year which at this stage it could be argued is not far removed from being just as much of a hopeful dream (with as much basis in reality or our history) as someone wishing for the club to actually push on and win something or make Europe in the coming year I would have thought. Either way, can't see the need for personal attacks on the guy. Bottoms up. G'night. :drunken_smilie:

Honestly? To a degree. But don't we all go into the season wishing to win something? Sure it's unrealistic, but there are not many years left for some of us, and while I'm willing to give them every chance, and hope they afford Sam the same patience, I can certainly understand some being a little frustrated when the promised wealth of this new regime is not as yet manifest in the area of squad building as we might have (again, maybe urealistically) been led to believe. You honestly can't see that having not spent a great deal in the greater scheme of things (new owners, new TV deals etc.) that some might have a wish to see a little more being spent in order to plug the gaps and give us some depth to have a real go at competing this year? I don't have a problem with that opinion at all, however optimistic of our chances it is. It's not like BB is in a position to sack the board or do damage to the club. /BB simply demands the best, and that's just the kind of spunky, up and at 'em young buck I want in my company. Go get 'em tiger! *cough* //... ///too much wine for a Thursday. :/

Would like you to expand on that if poss. I would have said that if anything we have smaller numbers than even last years swiss cheese squad by my reckoning, and that didn't hold up to much scrutiny once the inevitable (yes, even for the magic healing hands of Sam) injuries kick in. Maybe an increase in general quality and the ability of a few players to 'do a job' in a few positions counts for something, but the paucity of numbers should not be ignored. So far, not counting the (it seems) inevitable departure of Luque, we are 4 players down on last season available to us in terms of experienced players, and 6 if you include the likes of Gate and Shanks. That rwill emain a concern (and that is all it is) until some bright spark fromn the academy hits the first team, or the shortfalls are addressed. That, is the point I take fromm BB's post. Hardly something to get hot under the collar about, or in the case of Chez and others to become hateful little trolls about. Supporters will always want more quality/quantity or whatever. At the same time it is a bit lax not taking into consideration the advances we are clearly beginning to make and are planning to make all over the club. As I have said many times, there are a lot of positives and we all have our fingers crossed. If Sam is not sacked (and that is basically what it hinges on, otherwise we are possibly back to square one next season), and if we get through this year intact trophy or not, then we will hopefully be able to say this season is not a waste and the club is more stable and able to continue to progress under the new team. But that is not what BB focused on. His concern was simply whether this squad we currently have is good enough to get us material success this current season, not some 'maybe in a few years down the line success', and in his opinion it is not. I hope he is wrong, and more than anything hope it doesn't really matter as long as we have the right things in place to get there eventually, but I don't see the big deal in bringing those concerns to the table.

Would like you to expand on that if poss. I would have said that if anything we have smaller numbers than even last years swiss cheese squad by my reckoning, and that didn't hold up to much scrutiny once the inevitable (yes, even for the magic healing hands of Sam) injuries kick in. Maybe an increase in general quality and the ability of a few players to 'do a job' in a few positions counts for something, but the paucity of numbers should not be ignored. So far, not counting the (it seems) inevitable departure of Luque, we are 4 players down on last season available to us in terms of experienced players, and 6 if you include the likes of Gate and Shanks. That will remain a concern (and that is all it is) until some bright spark fromn the academy hits the first team, or the shortfalls are addressed. That, is the point I take fromm BB's post. Hardly something to get hot under the collar about, or in the case of Chez and others to become hateful little trolls about.

Fair enough if we hadn't have needed a clear-out, but we did. The improvements are better than what we had. We've probably had more transfer activity in terms of sheer numbers than any pre-season for a long time. Still, a wasted season... Well, of course it isn't a wasted season....yet. Many on here said that despite Souness' shortcomings he would move the club forward by sorting out the players and get proper players in to replace them. I would argue that the Souness years were a waste. Some said Roeder would at the very least bring stability to the club. I would argue that the time under Roeder was a waste. If we get through the transition, build, play decent football, and don't start the proccess all over again next year by sacking Sam, then despite not winning something, you would still hope that the season wasn't a waste but there are ultimately to many unknowns there. All BB is arguing is that in terms of tangible benifits this season (Euro qualification or trophies), he feels we are not strong enough to compete and he finds that frustrating considering the new regime. I'm not going to hammer him just for thinking that.

We have failed to expand the squad to any significant extent so far, which was a priority coming off the back of 2 injury plagued seasons. I cannot see any reason why this point (a squad that may still struggle to achieve Europe simply through very little depth in quality) that BB seems to be putting forward gets people in such a tizzy. Seems less an attack the clubs long term plans, and rather a pretty valid concern regarding the current season to me. Feel free just to call for his banning though.

Wouldn't go that far, but I agree he was poor. God, I thought he was absolutely awesome yesterday, my MOTM by far. mackems.gif Agreed, he was well below par... and that is being very kind.

Sell up Ashley. You're only holding us back. /Thorin, I miss you.

Quite. We were so close to victory.... But they were a damn sight closer.

You what? It was far, far, far from a GREAT game.

Haha, that basically summarised my reaction to the article. Aye, Curbishley clearly so shocked and stunned by this awesome and spectacular fall-out that somehow he has forgotten to drop him from the team!??!

Outburst stuns Curbishley, a spectacular fall-out? What did he do exactly? Exchanged harsh words with his new manager. Well thats a hell of a story, care to tell us what was said? No. Hmm, no problem. As a supporter of one of his former clubs, I will happily take any opportunity to be fucking outraged by any old bollocks and reiterate my desire for his legs to be permanently crippled.

Don't know where this £8 million stuff is coming from, most reports speculate that it may be a compromise with a fee possibly rising to £7 million eventually. The BBC continue to report the fee remaining a straight £6 million.

To be fair I wasn't sure of his worth to the squad, but you have swung it for me. Couldn't agree more. Top post.

Rick Astley has given our nation more pleasure over the years than Mike Ashley. FACT.

He can live in Basingstoke, less than an hour from either shoitehole.

Oh, booooooooooo. Fucking bunch of pantomime cunts. How old are you?

You should be a manager. Yes. Yet another black mark against Mort.

Since when did a good start help us? We thrived onb shit starts under Robson. We deffo need to lose the next few if we are aiming for top 4.