BottledDog

Decent.

Good changes from Carver, howay let's surprise the fuckers and have a go at them.

But the first paragraph as I read it is saying is that the club brought in a certain type of limited manager, then gave him the wrong tools to work with. That's not really much of an argument against Pardew (beyond highlighting some of his failings that the board continued to ignore), it's an attack on the people that hired him. As for the rest, the idea that Pardew is the mastermind behind the mantra of mediocrity just seems bonkers to me. He served up no end of shit but I presume like any other egotistical manager he want's to have a fairly decent legacy have some success to look back on rather than sit on a pundits sofa and trot out tails of balance sheets. In interviews since he left, it is his records in the cups that he brings up and says hurt the most. Whatever excuses he gives for those records, it seems fairly telling. Sure you can dismiss anything he says as rubber lipped bollocks, and he may have put up with the penny pinching, player sales, and suggested priorities to keep himself in a job he was lucky to get in the first place... but he was quick enough to jump ship for the chance of personal glory at his struggling home town club as soon as his reputation was on a downward spiral here. Not only because of his own clear failings and the protests and anger that he rightly suffered towards the end, but because of his association with an unambitious and toxic regime that was increasingly the focus of the national media. Almost every word that came out of his mouth was either a pre-emptive excuse in case of defeat or an excuse to absolve him of blame for an actual defeat. Unless we won of course, in which case he did it all. Seems commonly accepted wisdom that Ashley and co know sweet fuck all about football, so if they're listening to the paid professional tell them we can't compete that mantra will catch on, and it obviously did. Nah, I accept that. Couldn't stand his little team against the world bullshit that became a creeping feature over his tenure (something that should suit him at Palace, though he seems to have a new found bluster about him at the minute). Absolute vile attitude to have at Newcastle, but difficult to avoid with this lot and the risky threadbare squads they provide. Carver comes across in much the same way. Keegan said we'd get nowhere near the top when he was in charge, and nowhere full stop after he left. The board and Charnley, Wise, and every other bugger were all about managing expectations and keeping the heat off Ashley. Pardew has admitted he defended the club wrongly at times. As I said, he was lucky to get the job at the time, and for me there was no doubt that taking the heat, accepting sales and playing down the clubs fighting chances was an obligation/condition pushed on him from above. The negativity just naturally increased whenever he found himself in trouble.

But the first paragraph as I read it is saying is that the club brought in a certain type of limited manager, then gave him the wrong tools to work with. That's not really much of an argument against Pardew (beyond highlighting some of his failings that the board continued to ignore), it's an attack on the people that hired him. As for the rest, the idea that Pardew is the mastermind behind the mantra of mediocrity just seems bonkers to me. He served up no end of shit but I presume like any other egotistical manager he want's to have a fairly decent legacy have some success to look back on rather than sit on a pundits sofa and trot out tails of balance sheets. In interviews since he left, it is his records in the cups that he brings up and says hurt the most. Whatever excuses he gives for those records, it seems fairly telling. Sure you can dismiss anything he says as rubber lipped bollocks, and he may have put up with the penny pinching, player sales, and suggested priorities to keep himself in a job he was lucky to get in the first place... but he was quick enough to jump ship for the chance of personal glory at his struggling home town club as soon as his reputation was on a downward spiral here. Not only because of his own clear failings and the protests and anger that he rightly suffered towards the end, but because of his association with an unambitious and toxic regime that was increasingly the focus of the national media.

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Very timely. Well player Keith Bishop. Well played.

John Carver presence felt in Newcastle reserve game by entering the dressing room at half-time How in the juddering fuck is that a headline Lee. How in Gods name is it even a story. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh193/germann_bucket/EyeStab.jpg

Ah, those little foibles. Like turning the club from a living, breathing lovable monster symbiotically attached to the city, feeding and reflecting the towns emotions and providing a protective focal point and a heightened sense of community that could stretch out to black and whites at the far edges of the planet... To a joyless, rotting husk. That kind of thing?

Hooray - the voice of reason. Honestly, the utter negativity on this board worries me. Posters wanting us to get relegated? Like the WTF. No deal at all. How is it possible to be this f***ing thick? You want to stay in the PL achieving nothing whatsoever for the next 30 years? We'll lets get relegated then - it will fix all of our problems in a heartbeat. No one's said that and continuing to frame the issue in such a way is ridiculous. If you accept that Ashley's primary, almost sole motivation as NUFC owner is profit maximization (because that should be clear to everyone by this point), it logically follows that he would have less interest in holding on to a club that's failing to earn him money. Relegation would undoubtedly put a major dent in his pocketbook: the disparity in wealth between the PL and Championship is ridiculous. Of course it could backfire and we could "do a Leeds" (which is really not a legitimate reason to be worried about relegation considering the completely different circumstances surrounding Leeds and today's Newcastle). But holding fast where we are, ambition-less and content to simply exist as a PL team and nothing more, is clearly not ever going to force Ashley to reconsider his ownership of the club. Can't speak for others, but I have trouble accepting that tbh. The only thing I feel I know about Ashley is that he will categorically not be putting any more of his own money into the club and has been running it solely on that aim since his first year (not even sure he gives a toss about the piddling profits we now make). Getting relegated won't hurt him much personally or in the pocket, it'll just knock the club back into more cost cutting. :lol: nah he;s not in it for the profits man BottledDog's always been banging the same drum, he's just understandably piped down with it a bit as things have progressed. What's progressed? I've piped down for the same reason as most. Even more dogshit football post Pardew, and sod all to get excited about since January. Ah, and sod all to get excited about in the future unless Charnley suddenly becomes competent and starts running the club with some passion and ambition for success on the pitch (an alien concept to him so far as I can see). Just not a fan of people being called fucking thick for being against relegation is all.

Hooray - the voice of reason. Honestly, the utter negativity on this board worries me. Posters wanting us to get relegated? Like the WTF. No deal at all. How is it possible to be this f***ing thick? You want to stay in the PL achieving nothing whatsoever for the next 30 years? We'll lets get relegated then - it will fix all of our problems in a heartbeat. No one's said that and continuing to frame the issue in such a way is ridiculous. If you accept that Ashley's primary, almost sole motivation as NUFC owner is profit maximization (because that should be clear to everyone by this point), it logically follows that he would have less interest in holding on to a club that's failing to earn him money. Relegation would undoubtedly put a major dent in his pocketbook: the disparity in wealth between the PL and Championship is ridiculous. Of course it could backfire and we could "do a Leeds" (which is really not a legitimate reason to be worried about relegation considering the completely different circumstances surrounding Leeds and today's Newcastle). But holding fast where we are, ambition-less and content to simply exist as a PL team and nothing more, is clearly not ever going to force Ashley to reconsider his ownership of the club. Can't speak for others, but I have trouble accepting that tbh. The only thing I feel I know about Ashley is that he will categorically not be putting any more of his own money into the club and has been running it solely on that aim since his first year (not even sure he gives a toss about the piddling profits we now make). Getting relegated won't hurt him much personally or in the pocket, it'll just knock the club back into more cost cutting. If he's not motivated by maximizing profit and he's not motivated by competing, why the hell does he even bother owning the club? Why the hell would anyone bother owning a football club if not for one of those reasons? He bought it for fun. Fun stopped. As long as it doesn't cost him anything (which it wont bar a potential sale value drop), and nobody is willing to take it off his hands, he can just sit back and use it to flog SD for nothing. I'm more hopeful that he starts getting some enjoyment from it again than I am of him getting upset by things like relegation hurting paltry profits and fucking off. And that hope is negligible at best.

Hooray - the voice of reason. Honestly, the utter negativity on this board worries me. Posters wanting us to get relegated? Like the WTF. No deal at all. How is it possible to be this f***ing thick? You want to stay in the PL achieving nothing whatsoever for the next 30 years? We'll lets get relegated then - it will fix all of our problems in a heartbeat. No one's said that and continuing to frame the issue in such a way is ridiculous. If you accept that Ashley's primary, almost sole motivation as NUFC owner is profit maximization (because that should be clear to everyone by this point), it logically follows that he would have less interest in holding on to a club that's failing to earn him money. Relegation would undoubtedly put a major dent in his pocketbook: the disparity in wealth between the PL and Championship is ridiculous. Of course it could backfire and we could "do a Leeds" (which is really not a legitimate reason to be worried about relegation considering the completely different circumstances surrounding Leeds and today's Newcastle). But holding fast where we are, ambition-less and content to simply exist as a PL team and nothing more, is clearly not ever going to force Ashley to reconsider his ownership of the club. Can't speak for others, but I have trouble accepting that tbh. The only thing I feel I know about Ashley is that he will categorically not be putting any more of his own money into the club and has been running it solely on that aim since his first year (not even sure he gives a toss about the piddling profits we now make). Getting relegated won't hurt him much personally or in the pocket, it'll just knock the club back into more cost cutting.

Think our useless gets managed to beat them to that on Sunday. Fair play to Pardew, cracking decision to jump when he did.

Hooray - the voice of reason. Honestly, the utter negativity on this board worries me. Posters wanting us to get relegated? Like the WTF. No deal at all. How is it possible to be this f***ing thick? You want to stay in the PL achieving nothing whatsoever for the next 30 years? We'll lets get relegated then - it will fix all of our problems in a heartbeat. What will fix all our problems in a heartbeat? Relegation. If not in a heartbeat, according to axel it means we will have a greater chance of achieving something in the next 30 years. Not wishing relegation on the club means you're fucking thick too apparently.

Aye, well, that's all well and good, but I'm not sure calling Defoe a lucky shit/cunt/fucker can really be classed as congratulating him. For what it's worth Krul seemed to me genuinely hurting after the game and by doing the interview showed more stones than most of the soppy lot on the pitch today. Why is Goufran not getting shot with similar shit for him and Larsson giggling like dizzy schoolgirls during the game?

I'm sure we've all heard the stories or had the odd half decent mate from Spennymoor. But it's time the floodgates were closed. Being serious, about the only players I'd be upset at leaving now would be Perez and Cabella (for the vague promise they offer), and then I'm struggling with the likes of Janmaat, Aarons, maybe Sissoko (though the inevitability of his passing has taken the edge off) and then possibly Krul and De Jong. Christ, we're in trouble.

Think of the hard working cloggers Pardew is going to be able to buy to replace Bolasie and Zaha. http://i.imgur.com/TXM1t6X.jpg

Good, bored of the lot of 'em. Time to give youth a chance. Preferably British. /and by British, I of course mean the Tyne valley and it's locales.

May I just say that McClaren strikes me as a particularly dour, ruddy faced yet passionless, belly to the ground chameleon of a man, whose interviews would grate beyond measure and would neither inspire nor instill any sort of confidence in the club for the term of his tenure and beyond. He can fuck off. McClaren out. /Opinion valid up until the point he is appointed, at which point I will of course give him a clean slate *cough*.

No. Damn my speed reading skills. Reminds me of Andy Cole and the questions over his condition that went on for ages. Know he donates a lot to sickle cell anaemia, but still no idea whether or not him having it was any more than pre twitter tittle tattle.

He's got Hep C? Blimey. Surprised we have different rules to the SFA on whether you can play with it or not.

Of course there are rightful concerns about why we feel the need to spell out our priorities. However, Pardew seemed contrite enough over his own failures in the cups and derby's on soccer Saturday to suggest there was no diktat from above demanding weakened sides, something the club have also denied recently. Maybe not as much effort as the rest of us would like to see put in (just as in every aspect of the club), but to suggest they'd make no effort to win a cup or anything else is bunkum imho. Never let the candle of hope die.

You have accepted we'll never ever win anything, forever? Good God man. You are broken. Can't be having that.

I think the intention was there, things clearly changed during Keegangate.

Oooof, low blow. http://i.imgur.com/LCfdnZt.jpg Prob not the best player choice for that gag Ah, fair point.

Oooof, low blow. http://i.imgur.com/LCfdnZt.jpg