Teasy

Taking things far to literally. He clearly means that he thought it was a certainty at the time and now he doesn't think its a certainty any more.

I also think relegation is unlikely, that was the point of my post really. Last season our first 15 or so games were very easy on paper and the second half of the season was the fixture list from hell. But this season its much more balanced.

Erm no, I'm implying that being at home gives you an advantage compared to playing away (12 points at home and 3 away so far), unless you're Everton

Our next 15 games are definitely easier on paper then our first 15 and so far we've played three of the top four all away from home.

Soak the sides of the pitch and don't provide towels to dry the ball on, if Delap uses his shirt to dry the ball he'll be dripping wet within minutes

Not sure, we'd have the same goal difference and the same goals for and against, they might get it because of having one more win then us?

He deservedly got sent off, no injustice at all. By the way take a look at the table at where City are, two points above us and falling fast, wouldn't it be just the best thing ever if they ended up getting relegated With all the talk about who they're going to buy and that "they're close to being bigger then Man Utd" ect it would just be hilarious for them to go down.

Lets not forget Owen hasn't played much Football since his injury, it always takes him at least a few games to get his sharpness back.

Just shows you how a few wins can transform the season. Reason for hope. Or a few losses, when you look at the likes of West Ham, Mackems, Blackburn. We were in severe danger of going that way after the abominations of Fulham and Wigan, but in fairness to us we've done well to cling onto some sort of ledge with these last two results. Really is time to build on it now with Stoke and Spurs to come to us, aswell as a genuine opportunity of an away win at Pompey. Like i've said in another thread, if Kinnear's ever gonna prove us wrong then this a massive chance. His last chance was Fulham and Wigan (post Villa). He can't afford to fuck it up again. The key is to keep picking up points, which we are for the most part. I know it's frustrating not to win these games but two draws at boro and Chelsea are still pretty good results. Picking up points away is good yes, but we need to start winning more at home. Draws at home against the teams around us aren't good enough and too many of them would see us relegated no matter how many good draws we get away.

The league is insanely tight, we're only 4 points off 7th.

Good result, what's really let us down is the Wigan game. Had we not thrown two points away there we'd have taken five from the last three games which would a point above my expectations, as it is we've taken a point less then I expected.

Jonas 8, Zog 5 - which game did you watch? He probably saw the whole game Still I'd agree they shouldn't be that far apart, they had pretty similar performances really. To be fair to him he only really started to struggle once the fog rolled in on his corner of the pitch.

Its definitely pointless because the poll actually shows that the fans don't want him to stay. 45% said they were prepared for him to stay given the current financial climate. Not really the same as Newcastle fans now making a u turn and wanting him to stay despite the misleading article title.

Fans must never have backed Ashley by that logic.

Berbatov would probably do him in, as long as he got past the bravado.

Change the record dingus.

What about Wise's own words on the matter, you're yet to comment on them..

You think that Mike Ashley/Dennis Wise ect ARE the club?

Keegan didnt know everything about Wise's role but how do we know Kevin wasnt told "that whatever Dennis does, he is completely under your control and he isnt in any way a threat to you" or perhaps "Dennis role doesnt infringe on the 1st team at all" ? If that was the case he would have no need to be anything other than happy and he certainly wouldnt be contradicting the Allardyce comparison. Your as guilty of making assumptions as anyone else. "Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment. The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team." "With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term" http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html pretty clear imo. How do first team transfers not relate to the first team then? Sorry but to me those comments are pretty clearly saying that Keegan makes all final decisions relating to the first team which would include transfers and that Wise merely helps to finalise the deals. Wise himself said something similar around the same time. Selective reading. You can't get much clearer than "Dennis Wise will assist the board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. Did anyone claim that he had nothing to do with it like? No, but it's selective interpretation. Nowhere in that statement does it say, "Keegan will be in charge of signing players", whereas it does say that's what Wise's role was. No it doesn't, if we're going to get into pedantry. It says Wise will 'assist the board' and that Keegan will be in charge of all matters relating to the first team. I think signing first team players comes into that category. Call me crazy. "With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term" ie. keegan manages the team only. "devote" - 1. To give or apply (one's time, attention, or self) entirely to a particular activity, pursuit, cause, or person. Could mean he can devote his time to the first team because he doesn't have to do negotiations, not that he doesn't decide which players we sign. Have to say midds has a point most of that is ambigious, but all we need to do is look at Wise's comments for clarification on the party line at the time. His comments certainly aren't ambigious and clear up how we were supposed to believe the system would work.

That's not definitive in the slightest, assist could mean anything. But why argue when I can just let Mr Wise himself tell you: "A lot of people have got a little mixed up with the reason I'm here and we need to straighten that out quite quickly. "I'm not here to be involved in the first team. I'm not here to manage. I'm here to help Kevin as much as possible with bringing young players through and also recommending certain players to him. "He will say yes or no. He has the final word, no one else. I'm not going to do things like bring players in behind his back, I'm not into that. Everything that happens will be run past him and he'll say yes or no." Looks like Wise agrees with my selective reading.

Keegan didnt know everything about Wise's role but how do we know Kevin wasnt told "that whatever Dennis does, he is completely under your control and he isnt in any way a threat to you" or perhaps "Dennis role doesnt infringe on the 1st team at all" ? If that was the case he would have no need to be anything other than happy and he certainly wouldnt be contradicting the Allardyce comparison. Your as guilty of making assumptions as anyone else. "Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment. The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team." "With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term" http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html pretty clear imo. How do first team transfers not relate to the first team then? Sorry but to me those comments are pretty clearly saying that Keegan makes all final decisions relating to the first team which would include transfers and that Wise merely helps to finalise the deals. Wise himself said something similar around the same time.

keegan has also done that just as much. When, where? Nobody is truthful all the time, but I don't remember him contradicting himself on such a big issue. I mean he obviously said he was in control of transfers and then said he left because he felt he couldn't manage without full control. But that could point towards a policy change or interfering from the board late in the window. Of course it might not be that but its not conclusive unlike the comments from the board room. "On Monday, Keegan said he was "reluctant to tell all I know because I really do not know everything" about Wise's role but insisted he was "very happy" with the situation. However, Keegan's comments seem to contradict the opinion he gave to BBC One's Inside Sport last October, when he said he felt that kind of structure is unworkable. When Keegan was asked about reports linking him with a return to Newcastle as director of football under then-manager Sam Allardyce, he said: "It's absolutely impossible to give Sam a job at Newcastle and then go and fetch someone who is going to be some sort of threat, it doesn't work. "Sam would be a fool to let it happen and the guy who goes in would be a fool to accept it. "The chairman, who is not a fool, would be a fool to go and do it, too. It doesn't work." see sig for a few more Keegan saying he was happy with the situation at the time doesn't neccesarily contradict what he said about Directors of Football. He may have been told that Wise's title was little more then a title and he was not going to be in overall control of Footballing matters. He may not have been of course but the point its not a direct contradiction and certainly can't be called lies. What is a direct contradiction is saying that Keegan is in full control of first team including transfers and then later saying he was never in control of transfers.

keegan has also done that just as much. When, where? Nobody is truthful all the time, but I don't remember him contradicting himself on such a big issue. I mean he obviously said he was in control of transfers and then said he left because he felt he couldn't manage without full control. But that could point towards a policy change or interfering from the board late in the window. Of course it might not be that but its not conclusive unlike the comments from the board room.

Now who's making assumptions? We don't know if Keegan has lied at all or if he did then to what extent. After all if the goal posts were moved then he may not have been lying at all. He might never have been told he was in full control and he may have backed the boards words because he was promised certain transfers, who knows this is just guess work now. We do however know that the likes of Wise and Ashley have lied big time, because they were stupid enough to contradict there own words earlier in the year.

No we also have various members of the board room contradicting themselves/each other on what Keegan's position was at the club Which means they either lied about his position in the first place or moved the goal posts. It seems some people have incredibly short memories if this kind of thing is being forgotten already