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Who says he hasn't given him the money to spend? Have we not had a 7 million bid for Aimar recently?, £16 million for Modric, £9 million for Woodgate and of course whatever its cost us to sign Guthrie and Jonas as well as numerous other unconfirmed bids for players. This may be a case of we will offer 9mill even though the club asked for 15mill, we can look like we are making bids when we know fine well our offer will not be accepted. Making bids is not spending money, signing players thats spending the dosh. Yeah okay we should not be held to ransom by other clubs over players just because we have lots of cash, but on the other hand we need players and if you want a player a club wats to keep then they have the final say. Lets not start with the pretendy bid conspiracy theories.. Our bids for Woodgate, Modric and Aimar were accepted and while others weren't they were all genuine bids, there's no point in making them otherwise. Especially when we've done all we can to keep our transfer business private. BTW my point is money being available to spend and actually spending it are not the same thing.. Unless you go out and blow it for no reason other then to prove its there.. which is completely pointless. That's why it grinds on me when people keep harping on about Ashley needing to make money available soon, as if the hold up in transfer business is because Ashley's looking down the couch for his cheque book..

What's that got to do with making money available though? Also to be honest losing the likes of Emre and Rozenhal leaves us needing just as many new players as before they left considering Rozenhal was out on loan and Emre never played. well there is money there, if there wasn't keegan would be out in shot yes, but there we're still our players, so we could of used them next season, we got rid of another 5 players as well, even though i wouldn't of had them in the first team, they could be used for when injuries happen i hope the club isn't banking on clubs to reduce their transfer terms when the end of the window happens, risky business Rozehnal was a player we could have used as backup yes, but he obviously wasn't happy with that role. Emre we couldn't have used next season because the man either can't or didn't want to play for us, he made 8 starts last season... 8!!

Who says he hasn't given him the money to spend? Have we not had a 7 million bid for Aimar recently?, £16 million for Modric, £9 million for Woodgate and of course whatever its cost us to sign Guthrie and Jonas as well as numerous unconfirmed bids for players.

What's that got to do with making money available though? Also to be honest losing the likes of Emre and Rozenhal leaves us needing just as many new players as before they left considering Rozenhal was out on loan and Emre never played.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=104191 we will be playing in front of 40,000 - 45,000 max next season, ashley needs to start putting more money in, or he could lose the lot Firstly that's a "article" in the mirror, I think I've said enough there But if its anywhere near true then on the positive side that means I'll be able to get to games whenever I want

Why do people have this delusion that Ashley is just sitting around waiting to "open his cheque book" and if he did that players would fly through the door Not signing a new player recently does not mean Ashley's making no money available.. No matter how much money is available we still need teams to accept bids for the players we want and then convince them to come here, its not a case of "right Kev there's £50 million I want to see three top players at the club by tomorrow".

for 2.5m i think i was worth it. and chimbonda is also a player which we should have signed especially after KK admitting that the LB,RB positions are the ones where there isnt enough cover. i rate chimbonda and i think he is really good player and he is versatile also. Pitty that we missed on him but nothing new on the front. just typical newcastle united. We need right back and left back cover, not first team right or left backs, we already have them. Brining in Chimbonda on 70,000 per week as a backup would be completely mental. We've missed fuck all here..

How does "looking" to bring in Downing improve their team for f*** sake?.. Some on here need to get a grip, as usual. Bigging up Sunderland when so far all they've done is sign a very average midfielder and a good right back. Two players we shouldn't have any interest in at all. As for the players they have bids in for, only Malbranque would interest me as a potential Newcastle player. He's a good quality midfielder and is still only 28, so he'd be a good signing.

I'd be happy if Owen accepted the same 33% cut, doubt we'll ask for 90% though

If its based on payments per game then obviously some weeks he'd earn more and others he'd earn less depending on how many games in that week (in a lot of them there'd be none). At the end of the day Newcastle United played about 40 something games last season, less then there are weeks in a year so... If he helps us get into Europe that's more games and more money for him.. I'm sure they can work out a way of doing this that suits both parties, but however they do it IMO his contract should be based on performance.

If Cuellar was so great in La Liga then why did he move to Rangers, and for only £2.4 million? Genuine question..

You're just thinking about it the wrong way that's all Tooj. If this was Owen saying "I want £20,000 on top of my wages just to step onto the pitch" then I'd agree. Instead its (if it happens that is) the club taking his current wage and making chunks of it contingent on appearances and goals. For a player with injury problems who's purpose is to score goals that's a brilliant deal for the club if we pulled it off.

What figures do you suggest then? You have to remember that Owen is currently on £105,000 no matter what. He's not going to accept a pay cut, so any performance based contract we offer him has to be one that he believes can realistically earn him the same he's on now (if he believes he's over his injuries ect).

So you'd prefer to pay the player that £20,000 wether they were fit or not then? Try to get past this "but we're paying him just to be fit" thing Tooj. The idea is merely to take the wage that the player currently gets up front (£105,000 in this case) and split it up based on performance to ensure we get value for money. He gets a basic that's significantly less then the wage he wants, another chunk of it on appearances and the final part per goal. This ensures that he will only get his full wage if he's fit to play every single game and bangs the goals in.

Sorry but your just not thinking before you post, which is annoying.

Are you mental? Its there to make sure he doesn't get paid if he's injured you cracker. Instead of paying him £105,000 per week no matter what. He gets £70,000 every week regardless, £20,000 if he's fit to play and £20,000 if he scores. So if he's injured he only costs us £70,000 instead of £105,000. But if he's fit and on form he can potentially earn £110,000, but he'd have to be banging them in left right and center to do that, which means we'd then be happy to pay it... get it?

Yes a £20,000 appearance bonus.. what's funny about that?

Offer Owen £70,000 per week, £20,000 appearance bonus and £20,000 goal bonus. That way he's potentially getting a wage rise if he plays every week and scores plenty of goals.

If Real are interested it's pointless. lol great attitude, they value the player at 7million. They were denied permission to speak to him. Thus at this moment he is not going to Real Madrid. If we bid 10 million, bid hopefully accepted and ACTUALLY speak to the player. We are in a better position than Real Madrid, would you agree? ? I think he means HSV are more likely to agree to sell to us than Real. They're not though are they? I'm sure they'd just sell to the highest bidder. Why are you only taking notice of the sentence you highlighted?.. He said that Real's bid was rejected, so if we bid more and have the offer accepted then unless Madrid up there bid to an acceptable level we're in a better position to sign the player then Madrid.. which is obvious.

He's actually 27 and yes £14 million is more reasonable and if Keegan was sure about him it would be well worth it. But I'm neither confident that he'll be available for £14 million nor that Keegan would be sure about him so I doubt it'll happen.

You're not still claiming that your club has a tight wage structure are you? I'd bet that was blown out of the water around the time they went mental and started buying players like Darren Bent for £18 million.

Like Modric you mean? Obviously we're prepared to spend big money on players we believe are good enough, in the right positions and at the right age. For older players we're not prepared to pay out huge fee's and I support that strategy 100%. £18 million for Arshavin is a monumental waste of money (£23 million is just pathetic).

Only be interested if the offer was large £7-8 million. He's had one underwhelming season through a nigling injury (no matter what some crazies make up about him being poor for the last 3 to 4 years :idiot:). If he can recover from that this season and be one of the best around again then once again we have the best pair of keepers in the league. We have enough weak points without adequate cover in our team, lets not create yet another for the sake of a few million pounds. No doubt he'll have little interest in going to Blackburn and his contract goes until 2011, so we're in a great position to either get a brilliant deal or keep the player.

Any player with no sense or ambition that is.

If it was just a job he wouldn't be getting insane wages for pissing about with a ball nor would he get the adulation of fans in the first place. Sorry but bollocks is it just a job.. As for doing nothing wrong, pushing so hard for a transfer and disrespecting fans and manager alike in the process is something very wrong to people who have given you so much support. Fine if he just sees it as a job and has no respect for the club or its fans, but also fine if the fans then tell him to take a flying leap.. yes?