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Hmm, broken record Baggio isn't as fun to argue with I've lost interest now.. Think I'll go out with some friends instead.

Changing the subject eh. Like I said I'm not going trawling for articles for something that's of little relevance. I always said it was perfectly possible that you heard this rumour from somewhere, doesn't make me any more likely to believe it. Especially when it comes from someone who tries to mislead people.

Erm, so what's the issue. Baggio "came up with" something which has now hit the press. What's he done wrong? The only thing he did wrong, and the main reason I call him a bullshitter, is when he posted those lists. He posted two lists of supposed targets, one for Keegan and one for Vetere, in the same thread as he posted the original rumour. He admitted later they were made up but said they were only meant as examples and never meant to be fact, he just admitted in this thread he posted them deliberately to mislead people.

I'm not going to go and look around for articles. One was posted at a similar time to when you made your original post. If it was after then as I said you probably just heard the same rumour, doesn't mean you should run with it. Or post made up lists to mislead people.

A week later? You mean something similar was printed in a paper about the same time.. Either that's where you got it from or they just heard the same thing, and as the tabloids do, printed it without any need for facts.

I know he's a bullshitter, he's slipped up too many times. But arguing with him is just so morish mackems.gif

Actually lad, I said this... Jeff Vetere has found some young players who he thinks are the next big thing but Keegan won't okay the deals as he's pushing for the finished article who have Premiership experience, Turan is one of them but Keegan wants Kapo from Birmingham, Vetere has also picked Bafetimbi Gomis out and thinks he's got more potential than Adebayor at Arsenal, they went out to watch him a few times and the last time Keegan said he wasn't good enough even though he scored two, set up the third and got MOTM, Keegan wants Crouch instead and the club think he's going out of his way to be awkward even though he agreed to this set up when he took over. Vetere also wanted him to look at Moreno but Keegan wouldn't even look at him because he felt he wouldn't settle. Funny how it must be bollocks yet all of the wankers on here are lapping it up in the Crouch thread a week later. Then you posted two lists in the same thread with Keegans name at the top of one and Vetere's on the other, and 'forgot' to tell anyone you'd made them up Can't believe you're trying to claim some kind of ITK foresight on Crouch transfer rumours either, there have been rumours about him signing for Newcastle all year, and last year even.. I didn't say those lists were fact, I didn't say anything because I knew how easily it would be to mislead the mugs on her by not saying anything. As for me being ITK, is it really that impossible for anyone to hear whats going on at the club? We're not all know nowt's who still live with their mam like yourself. So you admit you deliberately tried to mislead people, you're argument slowly changes and changes over time, you're such a complete bullshitter Oh and to be quite frank with you Baggio I'd think that people who go on forums and pass on pathetic ITK s*** they heard on another forum for attention are more likely to be know nowts that still live with there mam

Actually lad, I said this... Jeff Vetere has found some young players who he thinks are the next big thing but Keegan won't okay the deals as he's pushing for the finished article who have Premiership experience, Turan is one of them but Keegan wants Kapo from Birmingham, Vetere has also picked Bafetimbi Gomis out and thinks he's got more potential than Adebayor at Arsenal, they went out to watch him a few times and the last time Keegan said he wasn't good enough even though he scored two, set up the third and got MOTM, Keegan wants Crouch instead and the club think he's going out of his way to be awkward even though he agreed to this set up when he took over. Vetere also wanted him to look at Moreno but Keegan wouldn't even look at him because he felt he wouldn't settle. Funny how it must be bollocks yet all of the wankers on here are lapping it up in the Crouch thread a week later. to be fair to him the papers are now reporting about Crouch and Kapo now. So he might not be far off. Now?.. We've been linked with Crouch for f'ing ages man, we'd been linked with Kapo as well.. Also I don't doubt Baggio has taken this from some bullshit ITK source, but the fact that some tabloids are spouting the same thing hardly makes it more likely to be true. There could be some truth in it, like for instance Crouch is being considered as a target, as was Gomis. But this very specific story just comes accross as typical ITK bullshit.

Actually lad, I said this... Jeff Vetere has found some young players who he thinks are the next big thing but Keegan won't okay the deals as he's pushing for the finished article who have Premiership experience, Turan is one of them but Keegan wants Kapo from Birmingham, Vetere has also picked Bafetimbi Gomis out and thinks he's got more potential than Adebayor at Arsenal, they went out to watch him a few times and the last time Keegan said he wasn't good enough even though he scored two, set up the third and got MOTM, Keegan wants Crouch instead and the club think he's going out of his way to be awkward even though he agreed to this set up when he took over. Vetere also wanted him to look at Moreno but Keegan wouldn't even look at him because he felt he wouldn't settle. Funny how it must be bollocks yet all of the wankers on here are lapping it up in the Crouch thread a week later. Then you posted two lists in the same thread with Keegans name at the top of one and Vetere's on the other, and 'forgot' to tell anyone you'd made them up Can't believe you're trying to claim some kind of ITK foresight on Crouch transfer rumours either, there have been rumours about him signing for Newcastle all year, and last year even..

I could believe it if someone told me Keegan had some reservations about the job. But this idea of Keegan not wanting to even be in Football at all and being totally against the ideas the club were putting forward, but accepting the job anyway because he was bankrupt is insane IMO.

You aren't Kevin Keegan and your job isn't manager of Newcastle United.. Which is why that comparison is crazy. We're talking about a man who is incredibly passionate and has to do things his way. At a club he loves, a club he left previously because he saw a small amount of power being taken away from him. There's no way he could last three years as Newcastle manager in a situation he doesn't want to be in purely for the cash, he'd lose his marbles within a year if that was the case.

Oh not the ITK shit again. Do you have a new list of players Keegan and Wise are after Baggio? You know, the ones you post and just forget to tell everyone that they're made up.

Keegan in a job he doesn't want to do and within a structure he fundamentally disagrees with. A job he agreed to purely for the money. How can that not end badly? Its akin to putting a arachnophobic inside a container with 100 types of tarantula.

You've got to be taking the piss here?

You can if it has some kind of substance to it. But when its based on paper talk and theory or a kneejerk reaction then you really shouldn't no.

When you watch the entire interview its certainly not as definitive as the initial "nothing" makes it sound. What if Newcastle was the only job that could bring him back, would you expect him to answer "The Newcastle job". Or "Only one job could bring me back". That would be touting for another mans job.. He also mentions in that interview that he's had offers from other clubs, if he needed the cash why not take one of those? Rather then coming back to the club he loves just for the money in a situation he knows would have to end badly.

You're saying that in your opinion Keegan didn't want to come back, wasn't happy with Wise but needed the money.. and that's not a bad thing?

Ok fair enough, I just think the most likely explenation is that the role Wise has is not what Keegan originally had in mind as the typical Director of Football. That's my opinion.

Well yeah it is a contradiction technically, but a pedantic one with no real importance.

No mate, actually your clutching at straws with this conspiracy theory, its tantamount to the kind of sensationalist journalism we see from any tabloid news paper. Like I said, a title does not describe an exact role. If Keegan is happy with the role Wise is in then the title he holds is completely irrelivant. Ashley: "Part of our plan is to bring in someone to help advise the board in general Football matters. He won't have the power to buy players without your say so and has no power to fire you ect" Keegan: "I've got no problem with someone being in that role". Ashley: "His title will be Executive Director of Football" Keegan: What?! Director of Football?!! But Mike I'm scared of that title!! The important thing is the role that was described to Keegan, not the title.

I think I misunderstood you. "Director" is an all encompassing term. It's a title given to someone who oversees all aspects. Like a film director, he's not responsible for any one thing, but for sealing the deal on what everyone else is doing in their specific roles. I'm not sure if your problem is Wise being given that title, or anyone at any club. I thought the former, but it seems you meant the latter. Personally I think it's a clearly defined role, but undermines the man who should do that job, the manager. My point is it isn't a clearly defined role, I think you're taking it to literally, its an executive title.. When Keegan said Allardyce would be mad to allow a Director of Football he'll have had an idea in his head of what a Director of Football is. The fact that Wise has the title of Executive Director of Football doesn't mean his role fits what Keegan had in mind in the slightest.

Are you seriously not getting my point or just looking for an argument?

It really annoys me when the phrase Director of Football is thrown about as if it means one specific job/position. Its just a fancy title...

The quotes your referring to have already been posted in this thread, not only are they typical PR that contradicts earlier quotes but AFAICS you're also adding in extra bits he didn't even say to make it sound worse... The actions of a Newcastle fan I suppose? mackems.gif Honestly why don't you stop wasting everyone's time and concentrate on whichever team you really support?

Who in this thread even mentioned any 60% figure in the first place? getcarter did who posted the list of clubs. All I'm saying is its not a very good indicator & 60% is a very low figure for "unsustainable" to be placed at. Ah right, I thought your initial post was in reply to my post. I agree completely that any fixed figure is complete bollocks, especially 60%. BTW Leeds were completely fucked financially before they got relegated.