Northern Monkey

If Fat Sam pulls his head out of his arse, and plays the most fitting formation and players, we might scrape a draw if we are very lucky. If he does what he normally does, and concentrates on chewing gum and talking shite, selecting fucking random players in a shit formation, 0-3. Recent history tells us he'll go with the not-good-enoughs, and we'll get fucked.

You're right, but Liverpool Man U is a rivalry, not a derby. Different thing. I would say it's sort of a derby. It cant be much further than boro to newcastle. It's the battle of the north west. I get the impression that in the prem, the fiercest are us, sunderland and villa birmingham. Obviously the old firm is huge, but has to have lost something, occurring 4 times a season. I like that the mackems are a bit of a yoyo team, as even twice a season i think would reduce the magnitude. I prefer the idea of being close, but actually different cities. You're not just 'fighting' over an hereditary team you support, but it's city versus city. All of newcastle, versus all of sunderland, everybody united. No, you don't get it. Its not a derby. Same as us and Sun'lun isn't (and even if it was, it wouldn't be the biggest).

Yes.

Only if the manager isn't good enough. Yes, he's better than Roeder or Souness. Yes, we need to show consistency and stick with a manager. But only the RIGHT manager. As fans, there seems to be soem fucking stupid idea that anyone who wears balck and white, or manages the club, deserves no criticism, and is automatically top class. THEY AREN'T. And at the moment, there is a lot of criticism being justified of a number of players who are mid table quality at best, and a manager who is patently out of his depth. I heard last night on Sky Fat Sam saying "its judged over 38 games not 14"......this follows his made-up stat about the best 10 game start ever, or soemthing stupid......and you're wrong, Sam - the SEASON is judged over 38 games. But a team and a manger are judged on a rolling basis on performance. And yours has been shite. I'd like to know if he will resign if/when we are still 10/11th at 38 games. He's spent £25m, played HIS tactics, etc. But of course he won't. I can't blame him, if i got paid loads of money to do a job i wasn't up to, i'd milk it as well. But that doesn't make him any less full of shit. Whats his net spend though? and weren't the sales needed for the good of the dressing room? I think we've got to got through the pain barrier to get better. He might never play pretty football but he might make us a far more effective outfit next year if we stick with him. I don't believe anybody will walk into the club and have us playing well within 15 games, winning games, entertaining the public and have the press lauding over him. We've got to give him time for the long term good of the club and the good of it's short term reputation. Fact is, i don't think he is up to it long term, full stop. He's not a manager who needs time to bed into the Premiership, neither are some of his signings. We NEED to get a really good manager in. Sticking with one who is not good enough will do NOTHING for our reputation, as we will be for even longer a mid table club. And his net soend is irrelevant - he has bough players to the tune of £25m, and they haven't been good enough. Like him. But, if we beet Brum, and maybe one other team over the next 5 games, we'll paper over the cracks, pretend he's good enough, and stick our heads in the sand whenever we look at the league table, making excuse after excuse for the sgite we produce.* * That wasn't meant to sound like a line from a kids book, that last bit, but it reads that way, very rythmic.

Just get him sacked, and get an actual class manager in. No more stubborn cloggers like Souness and Allardyce, no more yes men like Roeder. Actual class.

As long as he doesn't replace them with the quality of Geremi and Smith.

The chemical levels are obviously reaching dangerous levels down there!!!!! Yet WE got affronted when people (rightly) chuckled at our Rooney/Ronaldo/other lies "moves" leaked by Fat Fred to keep the fans in line.

Only if the manager isn't good enough. Yes, he's better than Roeder or Souness. Yes, we need to show consistency and stick with a manager. But only the RIGHT manager. As fans, there seems to be soem fucking stupid idea that anyone who wears balck and white, or manages the club, deserves no criticism, and is automatically top class. THEY AREN'T. And at the moment, there is a lot of criticism being justified of a number of players who are mid table quality at best, and a manager who is patently out of his depth. I heard last night on Sky Fat Sam saying "its judged over 38 games not 14"......this follows his made-up stat about the best 10 game start ever, or soemthing stupid......and you're wrong, Sam - the SEASON is judged over 38 games. But a team and a manger are judged on a rolling basis on performance. And yours has been shite. I'd like to know if he will resign if/when we are still 10/11th at 38 games. He's spent £25m, played HIS tactics, etc. But of course he won't. I can't blame him, if i got paid loads of money to do a job i wasn't up to, i'd milk it as well. But that doesn't make him any less full of shit.

Newcastle v Sun'lun??? As if thats the biggest! We, as Newcastle fans, are amongst the least self-aware fans in the country, i have come to believe.

one point out of a gazillion recently. the manager making up "facts" about the first 10 games, then after a season where a number of our wins were ones in which we should have lost, we go and play better, but lose. Manager not good enough, squad not good enough, and we're going to get humped on Wednesday. "give SA time"....."we need consistency"....."Barton will be immense for us"......"Smith, he's a good signing"...... ...all wrong, and all things we'll be suffering for until we wake up to the fact that our manager is out of his depth, we need to give THE RIGHT MAN, not this one, time, and that a number of our players are not fucking good enough. But hey ho, we'll cheer them to defeat on Wednesday night again, with fans vocal support during the game papering over the cracks of our position. We are where we should be in the league, with this manager and a squad like this. But maybe if we give Sam more money, he'll come good. After all, he's only spent £25m so far........

Barton shoudl shut his stupid fucking mouth. I don't personally boo, although i have occasionally been heard to shout "{insert name of sub-par player] youu're shite". But anyone who has actually been to games like Derby away, Red Shite home, Sun'lun away, has every right to boo at the end if they see fit - I and most other right minded fans who have ben to these games know the frustration. However, one thing is for sure - players who are good enough, and try, and don't rely on false managerial platitudes to get by, don't get booed. Yes, the likes of Shola, Barton, etc have been booed - they've been/are shite. I can't recall anyone really booing Shearer, Rob Lee, etc, though. If the manager/players fucks up royally, we should be able to tell them what we think. Anyone who thinks we shoudl just thank them for being our manager/players, keep our mouths shut and never complain about stuff at the game is a fucking idiot, and doesn't deserve to be called a fan.......its about passion, committment and ability. If some players or the manager don't have enough of these, they should be vocally told so, and then they should fuck off. Yes we need consistency, yes we should support the team during the game.......but supporting a manager who is not good enough, or cheering after the game for players who have massively let us and themselves down, is fucking stupid, and fans who go on liek that deserve the likes of Allardyce, GEremi and Smith.

Its not that he wants to get sacked. He's just not big or good enough to admit he fucked up, and do something different.

Dear god.

Thing is we've tried that midfield so many times and it just gets turned over everytime. If we had a bit more steel and height in the middle we could rough it up a bit more. Viduka and Martins as a partnership just doesn't work for me, where Smith and Viduka would imo with Martins breaking in from a wide position. Smith? Nah. He's not a good enough striker. Much as i have little time for the Fat Convict in comparison to really good Premiership strikers, he's a much better bet alongside Martins than a Smith/Viduka combo. I like madras' formation, with the possible removal of Emre, just in case he does his impression of the Invisible Man again. Its away from home so thats nailed on Aye, probably. Against a decent enough team as well. Scratch the "possible", lets not pretend he's not a bottler when it comes to big games. We could try Barton. At least he'll try, even if he is overrated.

Thing is we've tried that midfield so many times and it just gets turned over everytime. If we had a bit more steel and height in the middle we could rough it up a bit more. Viduka and Martins as a partnership just doesn't work for me, where Smith and Viduka would imo with Martins breaking in from a wide position. Smith? Nah. He's not a good enough striker. Much as i have little time for the Fat Convict in comparison to really good Premiership strikers, he's a much better bet alongside Martins than a Smith/Viduka combo. I like madras' formation, with the possible removal of Emre, just in case he does his impression of the Invisible Man again.

How many tier one players do you think he has to work with? I can only think of one and he seems permanently crocked. he spent a lot of money. Are you telling me that he bought players he knew wouldn't be good enough? No, these are his idea of players that can do a job for us. He was wrong.

Agreed but he can still turn things around very easily by changing tactics and formations and getting the best out of the players he has brought in, I'm not saying he will but it wouldn't take much to put things right on the pitch. I still think we need some creativity though because even his best 11 has that missing, no matter who he picks or how he tries to play them. Edit, I'm not sure he is the man for us, I'm also not sure that he isn't, yet. He doesn't seem capable of realising his own mistakes, though, regarding tactics, formation or player selection. He's bought Geremi and Smith, and he's damned well going to fit them into the team...... I cannot understand how anyone could look at the choices HE made against Pompey, Sun'lun and The Red Shite, and see a manager who is capable of learning from his own mistakes. He's not a novice, he's not new to the league - and neither are some of his poorly performing recruits - he's just not that good.

Allardyce will want him to play in goal, and will slate him in the press then ask him toplay out of position. Can you see a player like him watching the Pompey, Mackem and Red Shite games, seeing Allardyce, and thinking "yes, THAT'S the man i want to work for".

And his formaitons, tactics, player purchases and player selections for us? How does that work? I can not for the life of me work out what the fuck he was trying to do on saturday. I'm just saying that there is some evidence he knows what he is doing. He did well at Bolton, but that was his level of club, irrespective of some seasons overachievement. I have no doubt at all that SA is incapable of managing NUFC, especially based on the season to date.

from the money he has spent so far, i have fuck all faith in his being allowed to spend any more cash.

i think you're right, they're both no more than average, mid table managers. We need someone better than Fat Sam soon, though, before Ashley gives him any more money and then gets sick of bankrolling failure. We have a good owner and chief exec now, lets not fucking wast them!

Fat Sam for Derby!!!!!!

Why not PM him if you're going to be like that? Because he was trying to score cheap points off a foreign poster. Which would have been worthwhile if his own post was: (a) funny (b) necessary © not in itself gramatically poor.

And his formaitons, tactics, player purchases and player selections for us? How does that work?

Why? Should we be grateful to have a manager who is not up to it? Shoudl we sing our praises for a man liek him?