Northern Monkey

Truth.

Based on what? Let me guess - based on you choosing to believe THAT story in the press. Based on this I think: http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/thanksandfurtherclarification.html "To further clarify the situation - the Club wishes to make it clear and unequivocal that no individual was or has been offered the position of manager/coach at this Club whilst that position has been held by Martin Jol. It is wholly inaccurate and inappropriate to suggest otherwise" yes, and where is the proof anyone was?? Well who do you believe Spurs or Ramos? Ramos is hardly going to make stuff like that up if he wants to stay at Seville. Where as i believe Spurs offered him the job and where knocked back and then chose to deny it. I don't know which one to believe, no-one here knows what's actually happened, its all conjecture.

it wasn't the Villa midfield that made Viduka and MArtins as useful as a Liverpool fans cheque, was it? Their midfield didn't make Viduka lumber around like a B-movie godzilla, or Martins make awful runs. and the fact remains that in the 433 we played on Saturday, we aren't going to be creating much for anyone.

Who said that then, Sam himself? or some dodgy journalist/secret ghost insider/local tramp...... You heard him: SKY SPORTS NEWS. Therefore is has to be true - fact.

Allardyce can't find one? You're making that up now.

Surely he can go anywhere for £13m?? You're on fire today NM! I think i've had too many fizzy cola bottles from the tuck shop at work. I'll be feeling all sluggish and sickly by mid afternoon.

And your point is? This has nothing to do with Newcastle's reputation, the thread is about Liverpool and how hypocritical their fans are, not Newcastle United fans. I am saying lets have a little bit less hypocritical holier-than-thou attititude towards other fans (regardless of who they support). Perhaps I mentioned Newcastle Utd fans because this is a Newcastle forum... There are times when I have been really proud of supporting Newcastle mainly after various cup-final / semi final defeats and the fans have been superb. Other times I havent been proud at all. Before we throw dirt at others we should admit we ain't so perfect and the dirt can come back the other way. So are you denying that Liverpool fans are frequently hypocritical, history-rewriting, whining self-pitying twats?

Based on what? Let me guess - based on you choosing to believe THAT story in the press. Based on this I think: http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/thanksandfurtherclarification.html "To further clarify the situation - the Club wishes to make it clear and unequivocal that no individual was or has been offered the position of manager/coach at this Club whilst that position has been held by Martin Jol. It is wholly inaccurate and inappropriate to suggest otherwise" yes, and where is the proof anyone was??

Surely he can go anywhere for £13m??

There are many here who believe owt, frankly. You'll want to believe it when its good, and dismiss it when its bad, and that's exactly what MJ is doing right now. Dismissing the bad with a story which brings some reason to the whole mess, to involve us just gives him more satisfaction and why he's here posting up like its not all bad and he could possibly take something from us along the way. I just don't want people to fall for his shit, like many have done plenty of times on here. I know what you mean, but you won't stop people. Its the same as in the Fat Man days, peopel fell for us signing every great player under the sun, RIGHT AROUND SEASON TICKET RENEWAL TIME.

£3m or even £4m wouldn't be silly money for Faye, given the prices gone for various other nationwide signings over the summer. If we're complaining about a £2m asking price then it's a bit odd. £4m for a bench player, when we haven't even got a rb, thats not worth it yet.

That'll be the ones who pretend to go, but actually base their match opinions on SSN and MOTD. You couldn't actually hear it where I sit (NE Corner) at full-time. It's quite a 'sheltered' part of the ground with a low roof (I'm one row from the back). I only heard about it in the boozer afterwards. I don't know why, but that made me smile. Like it's for Speacials nad the old, or something. Sorry.

Ashley may not be a fool, but you are if you think the ref was biased against us Vs Villa based on some premier league/Sky conspiracy theory. Just wait until the end of the season and then make your judgment. If you think everything in Football(like Politics) is whiter than white, then YOU are the fool.. In the case of Saturday's ref, were you there back in 1999 when Shearer was sent off in the same fixture? Even the Villa defenders were gobsmacked. There may be no comparison between the two refs, but who knows whether he had previously had a bust-up with Viduka ? All these things enter the issue. There is an old saying which goes along the lines that ' Good men should believe that anything is possible of evil men'.... And - money talks... But you've already made and stated YOUR judgement - why shoudl anyone else wait and see?

There are many here who believe owt, frankly.

Erm, maybe they just think that £13m is a decent price for an inconsistent player who was not bought by the current regime/manager?

Not funny at all, it's painfully unfunny to have Ameobi above anyone in the pecking order.

In that context, how can you say Mort seems like a nice bloke? Isn't that based on just as little?

That'll be the ones who pretend to go, but actually base their match opinions on SSN and MOTD.

Based on what? Let me guess - based on you choosing to believe THAT story in the press.

It's not a "we're bigger than spurs thing," it's a spurs fan perpetuating the tabloid driven crap that annoys me. It's not me perpetuating a tabloid driven story, it was something I heard about a few days ago and said so on page 4 of this thread and before there was any suggestion that Ashley might sell to Icelanders or anyone else: It could be plausible. There have been rumours going around for the past couple of days that Paul Kemsley is looking to buy out Levy/Enic. Whilst he is a seriously wealthy multi-millionaire, he still doesn't have the financial clout to buy the club and progress his ambitions. Doing the deal with his best mate backing him would make some sense. Not suggesting that this is anything but a hypothetical situation but I wouldn't say it would never happen. It's not a 'we're bigger than you' or vice versa thing, the fact is that Ashley lives in Totteridge, his best mate is the Spurs Deputy Chairman and in the past has often gone with him to WHL. I'm not saying it will happen, but if Ashley does sell NUFC, there is logic in thinking he might then go in for Spurs. Personally I just don't get why someone would empty their pocket to the tune of 150m just to sell it all a few months later for a insignificant profit, in the scheme of his money dealings, just to buy into a club that "his mate is involved in" when they could of organised something together in the first place, without all the headaches Ashley has been through. From the Newcastle side of things, maybe the financial situation not being quite what it seemed could play a part. From the Spurs side, it's well known that Levy has been approached by a number of parties and the asking price has been a deterrent. Spurs' dealings over the past few days has affected the perceived value of the club. With Kemsley's known desire to buy Spurs and Ashley's believed willingness to sell NUFC, it may not be too far fetched to put the two together. Not suggesting for a minute that this is concrete, but as I said on page 4, it is plausible. Its desperate wishful thinking on your (and the London Media) behalf. So with Ramos rejecting your offer, where does that leave you? Why is it that much wishful thinking? Ashley has hardly been brilliant so far - he's done nowt wrong, and is CLEARLY better than the Fat Man, but it's not like he's pumped a gazillion pounds into the first team, or owt. He seems like a decent enough owner, so far, no more. Because he is looking for a reason for change, a reason for the incompetence shown so far by the Spurs board, that if a takeover is in the wings them letting go of their manager at this time seems more plausible. Heaven forbid they've just fuked up big style, ala NUFC of old style. Making more of our slight financial discrepancy to add weight to the story smacks of desperation. Not quite all what it seems? What £10m difference so Ashley is going to go running? Fuking doubt it. i'm not saying i believe the story - i don't. I'm talking about it being wishful thinking from a Spurs fan - i don't think Ashley would be top of anyones list if they got to 'wish' for a chairman, is what i meant. But its about the only story the London media can come up with right now. He's a friend, he's got money, he's got a football club. 'Right lads, i think i've found Spurs' Saviour, get it printed'. MJ's willingness to bring it to our attention and to want to believe in it is beyond desperate. The media is always full of shite, people believe some stupid things. Ashley to Spurs, Ronaldo/Rooney/Riquelme to NUFC, they print stuff to get a response. There are enough idiots on here who believe everything they read in the press, if we slated them all it would take all day.

Martins is thick. But can be taught and will be if someone is given the chance, Common problem for most sports people in this day and age. Players like wor Jackie might not of been over educated but having to do something other than playing sport all their life meant they actually had to use their minds instead of just listening to their manager/club/agent/hangers on for every instruction/thought/action. Agreed, I think playing other sports where you have to use your brain can help you with certain things in football. And sharpens your mind. Fuck it, buy them Nintendo DS's and that brain game thing.

Hmmm ... not so sure about that. Of all the premiership managers, I think I would least like them to get Harry Redknapp. Very underated manager I think, also has an eye for a decent player. What's he done at West Ham or Portsmouth that Souness didn't do at Blackburn? Well, there have been fewer rumours of underhand dealings about Souness at Blackburn........

It's not a "we're bigger than spurs thing," it's a spurs fan perpetuating the tabloid driven crap that annoys me. It's not me perpetuating a tabloid driven story, it was something I heard about a few days ago and said so on page 4 of this thread and before there was any suggestion that Ashley might sell to Icelanders or anyone else: It could be plausible. There have been rumours going around for the past couple of days that Paul Kemsley is looking to buy out Levy/Enic. Whilst he is a seriously wealthy multi-millionaire, he still doesn't have the financial clout to buy the club and progress his ambitions. Doing the deal with his best mate backing him would make some sense. Not suggesting that this is anything but a hypothetical situation but I wouldn't say it would never happen. It's not a 'we're bigger than you' or vice versa thing, the fact is that Ashley lives in Totteridge, his best mate is the Spurs Deputy Chairman and in the past has often gone with him to WHL. I'm not saying it will happen, but if Ashley does sell NUFC, there is logic in thinking he might then go in for Spurs. Personally I just don't get why someone would empty their pocket to the tune of 150m just to sell it all a few months later for a insignificant profit, in the scheme of his money dealings, just to buy into a club that "his mate is involved in" when they could of organised something together in the first place, without all the headaches Ashley has been through. From the Newcastle side of things, maybe the financial situation not being quite what it seemed could play a part. From the Spurs side, it's well known that Levy has been approached by a number of parties and the asking price has been a deterrent. Spurs' dealings over the past few days has affected the perceived value of the club. With Kemsley's known desire to buy Spurs and Ashley's believed willingness to sell NUFC, it may not be too far fetched to put the two together. Not suggesting for a minute that this is concrete, but as I said on page 4, it is plausible. Its desperate wishful thinking on your (and the London Media) behalf. So with Ramos rejecting your offer, where does that leave you? Why is it that much wishful thinking? Ashley has hardly been brilliant so far - he's done nowt wrong, and is CLEARLY better than the Fat Man, but it's not like he's pumped a gazillion pounds into the first team, or owt. He seems like a decent enough owner, so far, no more. Because he is looking for a reason for change, a reason for the incompetence shown so far by the Spurs board, that if a takeover is in the wings them letting go of their manager at this time seems more plausible. Heaven forbid they've just fuked up big style, ala NUFC of old style. Making more of our slight financial discrepancy to add weight to the story smacks of desperation. Not quite all what it seems? What £10m difference so Ashley is going to go running? Fuking doubt it. i'm not saying i believe the story - i don't. I'm talking about it being wishful thinking from a Spurs fan - i don't think Ashley would be top of anyones list if they got to 'wish' for a chairman, is what i meant.

That'd be ace.

It's not a "we're bigger than spurs thing," it's a spurs fan perpetuating the tabloid driven crap that annoys me. It's not me perpetuating a tabloid driven story, it was something I heard about a few days ago and said so on page 4 of this thread and before there was any suggestion that Ashley might sell to Icelanders or anyone else: It could be plausible. There have been rumours going around for the past couple of days that Paul Kemsley is looking to buy out Levy/Enic. Whilst he is a seriously wealthy multi-millionaire, he still doesn't have the financial clout to buy the club and progress his ambitions. Doing the deal with his best mate backing him would make some sense. Not suggesting that this is anything but a hypothetical situation but I wouldn't say it would never happen. It's not a 'we're bigger than you' or vice versa thing, the fact is that Ashley lives in Totteridge, his best mate is the Spurs Deputy Chairman and in the past has often gone with him to WHL. I'm not saying it will happen, but if Ashley does sell NUFC, there is logic in thinking he might then go in for Spurs. Personally I just don't get why someone would empty their pocket to the tune of 150m just to sell it all a few months later for a insignificant profit, in the scheme of his money dealings, just to buy into a club that "his mate is involved in" when they could of organised something together in the first place, without all the headaches Ashley has been through. From the Newcastle side of things, maybe the financial situation not being quite what it seemed could play a part. From the Spurs side, it's well known that Levy has been approached by a number of parties and the asking price has been a deterrent. Spurs' dealings over the past few days has affected the perceived value of the club. With Kemsley's known desire to buy Spurs and Ashley's believed willingness to sell NUFC, it may not be too far fetched to put the two together. Not suggesting for a minute that this is concrete, but as I said on page 4, it is plausible. Its desperate wishful thinking on your (and the London Media) behalf. So with Ramos rejecting your offer, where does that leave you? Why is it that much wishful thinking? Ashley has hardly been brilliant so far - he's done nowt wrong, and is CLEARLY better than the Fat Man, but it's not like he's pumped a gazillion pounds into the first team, or owt. He seems like a decent enough owner, so far, no more.