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I'm staggered tbh. You seem to talk sense most of the time. I would have thought that by now pretty much everyone would have realised that a decent transfer kitty pretty much goes without saying at a club like NUFC in the current football climate - lots of season ticket sales = disposable cash in the summer. In the grand scheme of things though, a decent transfer kitty means absolutley nothing when you're handing it to a sub-standard manager to bring players in for sub-standard coaching. All overseen by a sub-standard chairman. Providing cash for a manager to spend at a club like NUFC is the easiest thing in the world. It's in every other area of his job that Shepherd is failing - the areas that require thought and planning, like for instance the hiring and firing of the most important man at the club. It's not enough that he produces £20m every summer, and to say that it doesn't matter who's in charge as long as we have a transfer kitty every summer is just plain wrong thinking. Pretty much whats happening at Newcastle for the past 2 seasons.I guess it will happen this summer too Good post btw

Reading They still have the chance to finish even 5th I think we will get 1 point from that game

Its too early for him.Maybe after 2-3 years he will be ready.

This club has fallen big time since SBR sacking which was one of the most stupiest things Shepherd did along with appointing Souness and Roeder after that.Under SBR we were top 4 material,we were in the top 20 richest clubs along with Liverpool(the difference at the time was 10-20m,not too sure). Now 3 years after that we are mid table team,playing shit football,have shit manager and we are about 40-50m behind Liverpool.Thats all because of Shepherd and given the fact that he always gave money to the managers,his mistake was that he gave it to the wrong man(Souness).Now if he give alot of money to Roeder maybe we will be better from this season but again he has proven many times that he is average manager. I had rather see some change in the board rather then staying with Shepherd.We will never know what will happen if a takeover is going to happen.Shepherd showed us that he is clueless when it comes to appoiting the right manager and i fear that if he sacks Roeder he might appoint Steve Bruce.You might say im talking crazy but the fat pig rates him+he is geordie.

He might be good player but we need more creativity in midfield and i doubt he can produce that for us. Also if we sign him next season we wil have Butt,Parker,Sidwell which i dont think would be too good for us because they are too similar players.Also i think that this talks about how overrated he is might be true

I think the stats are 95% true If there is some kind of mistake its because i might have confused some numbers,games,goals... Bramble-Moore=10 goals in 8 games Taylor-Bramble=9 goals in 13 games Best Partnership Ramage-Taylor=18 goals in 10 games Ouch Gooch-Moore=2 goals in 1 game Bramble-Gooch=4 goals in 4 games Ramage-Moore=4 goals in 3 games Moore-Taylor=5 goals in 5 games Taylor-Hunty=7 goals in 3 games Ouch Ramage-Hunty=2 goals in 1 game Taylor in the most conceeding combo and in the least conceeding combo, difference being he plays better with Bramble. But Hunty-Taylor partnership hasn't lost a game according to your stats and that's the main point IMO! Does that indicate that they can actually build some plays unlike Bramble just hoofing the ball up straight at opponent's keeper! From what I remember Nobby-Taylor-Hunty-Edgar back4 looked quite promising at the time. From the stats i think Taylor-Hunty partnership can be successful in the future and this partnership is and can be more successful then the partnership between Taylor-Ramage for example. Based on this stats we cant say why we werent successful they just can show you some statistics from our season so far. For example imo this stats can show you that Huntington cant play as LB.When he played at LB 7 times this season we lost 6 of this games.Is that just coincidence or not...?I think its not and Roeder should have realised this before the AZ game. Also Taylor-Hunty partnership played only 3 games together but we havent lost these games Birmingam 2:2(FA cup) Tottenham 3:1 Tottenham 3:2 Hunty can perform as CB but not as LB. Also these stats showed that Taylor-Bramble partnership played 13 games together this season and lost only 1 game(against AZ).I think this is very interesting fact and if we have some decent and constant LB,RB they might be successful partnership too. Nobby-Taylor-Hunty-Edgar back 4 played only 2 games together Against Birmingam 2:2 and Man Utd 2:2.

I think the stats are 95% true If there is some kind of mistake its because i might have confused some numbers,games,goals... Bramble-Moore=10 goals in 8 games Taylor-Bramble=9 goals in 13 games Ramage-Taylor=18 goals in 10 games Gooch-Moore=2 goals in 1 game Bramble-Gooch=4 goals in 4 games Ramage-Moore=4 goals in 3 games Moore-Taylor=5 goals in 5 games Taylor-Hunty=7 goals in 3 games Ramage-Hunty=2 goals in 1 game

With alot of work a managed to get some interesting stats about our team,our starting 11,about the midfield pairs and also about the back 4,and the 2 CB's Personally for me its interesting to see that stats and to make my conclusions. About our CM partnership: Premiership Europe Cups(FA,League cup) Games Wins Draws Loses Games Wins Draws Loses Games Wins Draws Loses Parker-Butt 18 5 4 9 3 2 - 1 1 - - 1 Wins over Villa,Pool,Sheffield,Tottenham,Wigan.In Europe wins over Ventplis 1:0,AZ 4-2 Loses over Villa,Bolton,Everton,Fulham(a),Man City,Man Utd,Boro,Shefield,Wigan Draws against Arsenal(A),Charlton,Boro,West Ham Premiership Europe Cups(FA,League cup) Games Wins Draws Loses Games Wins Draws Loses Games Wins Draws Loses Butt-Emre 6 3 2 1 4 3 1 - --------------------- Wins over Blackburn,Reading,Watford.In Europe wins over Levadia,Palermo,Celta Loses over Portsmouth Draws against Chelsea,Arsenal.In Europe against Aintraht Premiership Europe Cups(FA,League cup) Games Wins Draws Loses Games Wins Draws Loses Games Wins Draws Loses Parker-Emre 9 2 3 4 5 3 2 0 1 1 -------------- Wins over Portsmouth,West Ham.In Europe wins over Lilestrom,Levadia,Fenerbahche Loses over Bolton(h),Charlton,Fulham(h),Pool Draws against Everton,Man City,Man Utd.Draws against Lilestrom(h),Ventplis(a) Butt-Dyer Spurs away+ Both games against Birmingam in the FA cup.The replay was more then disastrous Total:Parker-Butt=22played,7wins,4 draws,11 loses Butt-Emre=10played,6wins,3 draws,1 lost Parker-Emre=15played,6wins,5draws,4loses Butt-Dyer=2played,0wins,1draw,1lost From this stats its very debatable whether Butt-Emre partnership is better then Butt-Parker or Parker-Emre I must admit though that the people who are claiming that Butt-Emre partnership is the best option in the moment because when we see Parker-Butt partnership has lost 11 games and the way this games have been lost(Man City,Shefield,Wigan,Boro)means that there is not enough creativity in that partnership As far as the other partnership Parker-Emre the result are too different to make any real judgement. Maybe at the moment our best CM partnership is Butt-Emre but that doesnt mean that like alot of people here are saying that Parker is s*** etc.etc. We dont have to forget that our best game,or should i say our best half performance of the season against AZ came when the CM partnership was Butt-Parker Our back 4 problems This season we used 33 different back 4's(Which in my opinion is absolutely shocking and i dont know any other club to did anything like this before.IMO thats one of the main reasons why we had so much poor results and didnt achieve anything.) In the Premiership we used 25 different back 4's.From 35 games so far :uglystupid2: Its insane doesnt it??? We used 6 different players for the position at RB: Solano=played 22 times at RB(10 wins,6 draws,6loses;in the Premiership the balance is 5-5-3;in the Uefa 4-1-1) Carr=played 23 times at RB(9wins,5 draws,9loses;in the Premiership the balance is 3-3-9,in the Uefa cup 5-2-0) Taylor=played 5times at RB(5 wins,1 draw,1loses;in the Premiership the balance is 1-1-1;in the Uefa cup 1-0-0) Hunty=played 2 times at RB(1 win,1 lost;in the Premiership the balance is 1-0-1) Edgar=played 1 game at RB(1 lost) Ramage=played 1 game at RB(1 win) So basically Solano has the better results when he was at RB then Carr.The only lost in Europe is from AZ.Carr didn have a lost game when he was at RB We used 7 different players for the position at LB.Sounds crazy doesnt it??? :uglystupid2: Babayaro=played 20 times at LB(12 wins,3 draws,5 loses;In the Premiership the balance is 6-1-5;in the Uefa cup 4-2-0) Ramage=played 13 times at LB(6 wins,3 draws,4 loses;In the Premiership the balance is 2-3-3;in the Uefa cup 4-1-0) Huntington=played 7 times at LB(1 win,0 draws,6 loses;in the Premiership 1-0-3;Uefa cup 0-0-1;Cups 0-0-2) Taylor=played 3 games at LB(0 wins,1 draw,2 loses;In the Premiership the balance is 0-1-2) Duff=played 1 game as LB(1 lost) Edgar=played 2 games at LB(2 draws) Pattison=played 1 game at LB(1 win) Its obvious from the stats(but im not sayting thats the only reason)that Huntington cant play at LB.Our defeats against AZ,Chelsea(league cup)and Birmingam 1:5 were when Hunty has played there.In his 7 games at LB we lost 6 and won 1.Thats speaks for itself really. We used 6 players as CB(not including Edgar who came as sub against West Ham) Taylor=played 33 games at CB(16 wins,8 draws,9 loses;in the Premiership 8-4-6;in the Uefa cup 7-3-1) Bramble=played 29 games at CB(14 wins,8 draws,7 loses;in the Premiership4-5-6;in the Uefa cup 9-3-1) Moore=played 20 games at CB(7wins,3 draws,10 loses;in the Premiership 3-3-10;in the Uefa cup 3-0-0) Gooch=played 6 games at CB(2 wins,1 draw,3 loses) Ramage=played 14 games at CB(5 wins,2 draws,7loses;in the Premiership 4-1-5;in the Uefa cup 1-0-0) Hunty=played 5 games at CB(2wins,3 draws;in the Premiership 2-2-0;Cups 0-1-0) Moore has the worst stats in the Premiership-10 loses.Imo the best 2 CB's we have at the moment are Taylor-Bramble We played 10 different CB pairs in the Premiership: Gooch-Taylor=played 1 game together(1 draw) Bramble-Moore=played 8 games together(in the Premiership 1 win,3 draws,4 loses;in the Uefa cup 4 wins) Taylor-Bramble=played 13 games together(in the Premiership 2 wins,1 draw;in the Uefa cup 6 wins,3draws,1 lost) Ramage-Taylor=played 10 games together(in the Premiership 3 wins,3 loses;in the Uefa cup 2 wins,2 loses) Gooch-Moore=played 1 game together(1 lost) Bramble-Gooch=played 4 games together(1 wins,1 draw,2 loses) Ramage-Moore=played 3 games together(1 win,2 loses) Moore-Taylor=played 5 games together(1 win,1 draw,3 loses) Taylor-Hunty=played 3 games together(2 wins,1 draw) Ramage-Hunty=played 1 game together(1 draw) Its obvious from the stats that Taylor-Bramble is the best CB's partnership we have at the moment.This season when they play at the heart of the defence they are unbeaten althought they played only 3 games together(Chelsea(h),Villa(h),Portsmouth(h)).They also have only 1 lost in the Uefa cup in 10 games.Against AZ... Moore is pretty much s*** with everyone.Skirge said he is the best defender we have but i dont think so... Our partnership Taylor-Ramage is pretty shocking too.The defeats from Birmingam 1:5 and Chelsea for the League cup came when they were at the heart of the defence. Bramble and Moore from 8 games in the Premiership played together they have only 1 victory over Wigan at the start of the season.But its obvious that Bramble is not that s*** because with Taylor they are playing well enough.From 13 games=11 wins,1draw and 1 lost.Against AZ Finally our back 4 with most performance together: Carr-Moore-Bramble-Babayaro=5 times played together(Charlton 0:0,Sheffield 0:1,Wigan 2:1,Villa 0:2,Ventplis 1:0) Carr-Moore-Bramble-Ramage=4 times played together(Bolton(h)1:2,Everton 1:1,Fulham(h)1:2,Levadia 1:0 Solano-Taylor-Bramble-Ramage=3 times played together(Celta 2:1,Aintraht 0:0,Portsmouth 1:0) Solano-Ramage-Taylor-Hunty=3 times played together(Birmingam 1:5,Chelsea 0:1,Everton 0:3) Solano-Taylor-Hunty-Edgar=2 times played together Solano-Taylor-Bramble-Carr=2 times played together Hunty-Ramage-Taylor-Babayaro=2 times played together Carr-Moore-Taylor-Ramage=2 times played together Solano-Taylor-Moore-Carr=2 times played together This are the 9th with most performance together back 4 we played this season They are also 24 more different back 4 we played this season but only for 1 game This right here is the most shocking moment here. Its not normal to use so many players for RB and for LB.To change every week the back 4 and to play different players there.Imo thats one of the reason why we were so s*** at the back and never looked like a team with style of play or something like this. The other thing i want to mention is this:Taylor-Bramble before the AZ game didnt lose a game when they played together.Also Hunty has played some games at LB before the Az game and it was obvious that he is struggling there.Its Roeder's fault that he didnt change the team and play some other player there(Duff,Edgar).Also Taylor-Bramble did alwul that night against AZ but that was their first bad game together.Ultimately its not the players fault for the defeat against AZ,its Roeder's fault.He put the wrong 11 at the start,he chose the wrong tactic for the game,and when we were losing 2:0 he didnt try to change something.Complete idiot. Hope this stats will be useful for everybody to make their conclusion about players and the manager too

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Owen? What about him? Replaceable & very costly, in hindsight a big mistake, a one i hope is rectified this summer with either Manu or Liverpool taking him off our hands, nothing would please me more to see us get our money back, we might just if them two clubs go at it for him, if not near enough £12m+ All I was asking. ^ Personally, I'd like to see him give us at least one season, but I wouldn't be terribly gutted if he left. Bit pissed, but I'd get over it. no matter who leaves you get over it. i wonder if toons taylor was saying buying shearer was a mistake when he got injured in that friendly at everton,after all he produced little that season and for £15mill then. as for milner whern he was on the verge of leaving last year,i'd rather have kept him but if he leaves for the benefit of the club,so be it....now that benefit would have to be substantial. Shearer had already scored 25 goals the season before, the injury was unlike him, these injuries are very like Owen, can't see how anyone cannot see this by looking back on both careers up till those two points. Owen is a crock, and crocks tend to get more fuked while at the toon, why, who knows it just happens. I'd rather have a player 60% of Owen's ability available 90% of the season. broken bone in his foot and cruciate ligament are "like him"...hamstrings,groins fair enough but not whats kept him out the last year or so But very injury prone nevertheless, not a player to rely on, not a player to build your team around, and for the amount we've spent on him, its what we needed for a club this size, just like we did with Shearer. Club Season League FA Cup League Cup Europe Others Total App Goals App Goals App Goals App Goals App Goals App Goals Newcastle United 2006–07 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2005–06 11 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 7 Real Madrid 2004–05 36 13 4 2 - - 5 1 0 0 45 16 Liverpool 2003–04 29 16 3 1 0 0 6 2 0 0 38 19 2002–03 35 19 2 0 4 2 12 7 1 0 54 28 2001–02 29 19 2 2 0 0 11 6 1 1 43 28 2000–01 28 16 5 3 2 1 11 4 0 0 46 24 1999–00 27 11 1 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 30 12 1998–99 30 18 2 2 2 1 6 2 0 0 40 23 1997–98 36 18 0 0 4 4 4 1 0 0 44 23 1996–97 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 Total 263 138 19 10 14 9 55 23 2 1 353 181 i'd say he wasn't really that injury prone Really horrid to look at mate! But it doesn't show you how many sub appearances, and from having a Liverpool fan as a best mate my memories of Owen were him getting injured, missing x amount of games, coming back, taking 3 games to get going, go on a scoring run, scoring double and sometimes hattricks, then boom, injured again, repeat for several seasons until his move to Madrid. I don't know how well my memory matches up statically, but it was something that really pissed him off, and something we'd rip him about along with never scoring 20 league goals in a season, and the main reason, he was alway injured or coming back from injury, and that's why he's never hit that mark. If he didnt get injured in the 05/06 season he would have scored more then 20 goals imo In 11 games he scored 7 goals that season before he got injured against Tottenham

The "Troll" a.k.a. Stephen Carr played really well yesterday Nevertheless one game doesnt make you good player When you look at his season in general he played like crap in most of the games. Thats what counts at the end of the day The general performances through the season,not just 1-2 good games. If we rely on his 4-5 good performances a season we are fucked. The same apply about Bramble,Ramage,Babayaro We need consistency in our player's form if we are going to be a good team As a conclusion i will say one situation during yesterday's game Carr made very good run on the left side,Milner passed him the ball,Carr went into the penalty area and then tried to find someone of his teammates.My point is that he was in very good position even to shoot but his natural foot is not the left,its the right.If that was some class LB that might have been a goal The other thing like alot of the people here are mentioning is the fact that this season i havent seen a cross from our left flang.Thats just ridiculous.Under SBR Bernard was steady as steel at Lb.He was producing crosses for Shearer and even managed to get some important goals for us.These days that thought of our LB's to make a decent cross or score a goal is just pure fantasy if Roeder doesnt sign some quality LB in the summer i hope that there is going to be a riot

How exactly you calculated that we will have 36m to spend in the summer?

So we find out that the scouting thing if its going to be successful it needs to be done by 2 people And both of them needs to be know what they are doing Why im not surpriced that our club has done so shit with the scouting thing and signing good players Even our manager doesnt know what he is doing

Hahaha Thats unlucky Koeman must be very dissapointed Would love to see him here as our manager btw

Arsenal didn't, they were s****. Yes,you are right They were shit as us and didnt have that much chances for goal But the 89th minute 2 time save from Nobby on the goal line was the best they get and we were lucky as hell not to get beaten

Jesus Wept... The whole defence is Man Utd's My team would be: Cech(he is better then EVS any day of the week) Chimbonda Rio Ferdinand Carvalho Riise Ronaldo Scholes Lampard Matthew Taylor Drogba Benni McCarthy(although my countryman Berbatov fully deserves this award) Anyone interested in the PFA Team of the Year in the Championship: Murray Alexander Davies D.Moore Bale Edwards Koumas Whitehead McSheffrey Kamara Chopra

My order would be: 1.Ramage 2.Carr 3.Gooch 4.Bramble

Isn't really "our Mascherano" either. He was brilliant last season i have to say,he is a genuine DMC,the type of players that will tackle everything to win the ball.anyone trying to change that will turn him to a s*** player,and thats what Roeder doing at the moment. Parker makes twice the amount of tackles as Makelele or Mascherano because he doesn't read the game as well. Or because he is a great engine,has enormous energy,power,will to tackle and to win the ball in all the 90min of the game

I'll give you 2 reasons: 1.We havent lost to any of the top 4(except Chelsea)because we were lucky as hell.Both Man Utd,Liverpool and Arsenal had alot of chances to beat us but they just didnt score 2.The players are playing at their best against the big clubs,because this matches are the real ones where you can compare yourself with the best.Every player wants to play against the best and every player wants to do as good as he can against these teams When we play against average teams(Man City,Charlton,Fulham etc.)the players needs to be motivated one way or another and here comes Glenn Roeder whos abbility to motivate the players are as shit as hell and thats why we cant get results again these teams

this is going to be a long thread although i cant see the point of it Paulo Wanchope Dean Sturridge Derby County's legends

Alot of "might","would","if" in this thread... My dream is to have someone of this 3 as our manager but that will happen only in our dreams Unfortunately

Carroll should play the full 90min in the next game The lad is burning to get a game so why not All this talks about "if he plays badly it will ruin his confidence" are bollocks The lad is dying to play as much as he can and he cant do too worse than Sibierski can he? He will be alot more ambitious then Sibierski and from what i've seen from Carroll he is playing with alot of confidence Sibierski is too slow at the end of the season and cant do anything possitive about the team Give Carroll a go

Cant agree with you Maybe 3-4 years ago Moore might have been better But right now he is too old and too fucking slow to compare with Taylor Taylor had pretty much decent season considering the fact that he is playing almost every time with different partner in the heart of the defence and in that shit defence he did pretty well My humble opinion is that Taylor is our best CB

The fact is that we should have lost to Man Utd,Liverpool and Arsenal We were just lucky that they didnt score their opportunities We will be better team without Roeder not without Parker End of...

Good performance from the lads Roeder should have played Carroll in the begining but he didnt have the balls Sibierski is slower then my granddad Give the young lad a chance ffs I just want to ask one thing: Where are the people on this forum who said that Craig Moore is our best CB??? And where are the people who said that STEVEN TAYLOR is as shit as Bramble? Where are you? Where? Where? Where?