Mick

The last 2 lines are nowt but pure horse shit.

Viana was as good as gone, not that its a positive or negative. Guilty

For what its worth, I dont believe it will be for 'any cost.' I'd suspect as long as we have our usual £15m to spend, we could afford Tevez in addition to two defenders and Sidwell. I doubt that, I think he'll go to one of the top 4 if West Ham go down, he'll not be cheap.

It would be pointless, we've got bigger concerns.

It seems to be a Leeds fan thing rather than a Leeds people thing.

He's perfect for linking midfield to attack, I'd love to see him play for us but I can't see it ever happening.

We all hate your best mate. classy as ever, just wonder why people dispise Leeds, they gave us Woodgate and Milner at bargain rates, their fans have never caused any real trouble in my experience, and they all hate Man u I can only guess you,ve never been to a game in Leeds or you've been very lucky.

To use your half full/half empty analogy, I probably do think we're half empty but I also think we've had an opportunity to start filling the glass again but we've wasted it. I also think that the club has most things in place to take a step closer to where we want to be, I just don't think we're taking advantage of it, and as usual its the fans who are left feeling frustrated as hell. I’ve been through the really shit times and don’t want to go back to that and I can see it happening if we don’t change direction as a club. I have nothing personal against Shepherd or Roeder but I don’t think they’re capable of taking the club back to a position of getting close to the top teams and that is shocking considering what the fans have put into the club over the years. I would go out of my way to pay over the odds at the club shop so that the money would go back into the team. I suppose I fell for Keegan telling us that he bought player X out of the shirt sales so put more in to get more out. I think Shepherd has lost direction and doesn’t have any fresh ideas, he’s a bit like a government which has been in power too long, he’s gone stale and as far as I’m concerned he should go and let somebody come in with fresh ideas. I’m not even bothered if he owned the club 100% as long as he stepped back and gave somebody else the club to run on a daily basis.

Because prematurely sacking Managers is how we are in the situation we are in. No c*** worth having will touch us. Every time we appoint a new Manager it costs us Millions, not just in payoffs and compensation for new Managers, but when they want to build their teams. Like previously and as stated countless times, the only time we shouldnt back Roeder is if we can get someone in, significantly better, Allardyce is not that man. Changing for changes sake may keep the boo boys happy, but its worsening the position we're in. I don't disagree with that but you've got a shit way of getting your point across, it's as if you blame others for us having a poor manager. I doubt anybody on here would disagree with that post but you've probably pissed everybody off with the way you've gone on.

Incorrect, just as before, I pointed out its not all doom and gloom and told you to be careful what you wished for. You in particular Mick were saying we'd be relegated, I pointed out we were closer to Europe, guess where we finished But nobody did take me up on the bet did they. I understand what you say about being careful what you wish for, I didn't think for one minute that Shepherd would get it wrong again. I doubt for one minute that we'd have finished as high last season if Souness had stayed. You probably don't agree but I felt everybody gain a lift early in our first game without Souness and that stayed with us until the end of the season. What I do wish for is to have a team and manager to be proud of, we don't have that at the minute. I know we could get worse and I don't trust Shepherd to deliver, that's why I'll not say we should sack Roeder, that doesn't mean I'll big him up for the sake of it, I'll still say if I think somebody could do a better job for us.

Your profound use of logic knows no ends Mick. So Roeder is to blame for everything bad, but takes no credit for the good. And yet again, despite me saying otherwise, because Im not wanting rid of a Manager and slating him for everything and anything, Im an apologist mackems.gif I had to introduce mesel to Parky as he didnt spot me after all our Years Serious question. Why are you happy to give managers more time when almost everyone else can see through them? I'm not just talking about on here because I don't know a single person who thinks Roeder is up to the job.

I did guess that. Souness apologist turned Roeder apologist, he must be a mackem with that track record. OBI, HTT or both? OBI, he stuck up for Souness right until the bitter end and he's doing the same with Roeder.

I did guess that. Souness apologist turned Roeder apologist, he must be a mackem with that track record.

I've credited Roeder with Martins and Sibierski, luck may have played a part in getting Martins but I have no problem with giving the credit to Roeder. He's still a poor manager and you can dress it up any way you want. Roeder finished 1 place and two points above Allardyce while the players and fans were lifted by the Souness sacking. Roeder did this with no Michael Owen, this year without Michael Owen we're currently 12 points and 6 positions below Bolton. We've lost Shearer and brought in Martins who has scored more than Shearer would have scored.

I'll give him credit for the positives, I've done that with him getting Martins and I've done it with Sibierski but I think luck is involved with both of those and pointed that out. I'm not going to credit him as being even an average manager as I've seen nothing to prove that, even with all of the injuries. We've had better results when he's had to put the kids in, not always as the Birmingham game for one shows. The fact is that when he has all of his players to pick from he picks more by reputation than by form and we've had poor results because of it, not all of the time but more often than not. Anyway, Allardyce is still better than Roeder, and by a mile.

There is f*** all a club can do when a player wants to go man, surely with all your Championship Manager logic you know this. You're calling me stupid mackems.gif Its like being called a mong by a fully fledged window licker mackems.gif Im sure Dave will be warning you about abuse now, or is it just for people not in the clique You should be the last person on here trying to point out abuse.

Hows that you idiot? You're the one that gives the Manager no praise when things go well, yet blame him for everything when it goes wrong you muppet mackems.gif Read what I actually say and then try with the tripe you've written mackems.gif Logic is a totally foreign concept to some on here like. Logic isn't something you seem to know much about, you complain when somebody says one thing but you're quite happy to use the reverse argument. You absolve Roeder of any blame for the Birmingham debacle yet you name three players who had poor games, Huntingdon was terrible from the first minute to the last yet he remained on the pitch for the full game but that was no fault of Roeder, Ramage had a mare yet he was also given 90 minutes while Edgar sat on the bench, again no fault of Roeder, you can't blame him. I'll take into consideration that we played Sheffield United within 48 hours of playing in Europe then I'll remember the season we did the same thing regularly under a good manager yet came back to win almost every league game which followed those games. Roeder has made plenty of tactical mistakes, we went away to Man U and he played a formation which was never going to do anything other than get beat, we went away to Holland and most people felt we'd blown it before even kicking a ball. You ask what a manager can do about players having a nightmare, he can make sure that he doesn't carry on picking players who are having the mares, he played Huntington a few times after he'd played crap yet Edgar has disappeared from the scene after playing well. Roeder can also take players off during a game, I've already mentioned two against Birmingham who could and should have come off.

Roeder did make a decision, he decided to buy Martins and that has worked out well, he didn't have a decision to make regarding which of the two he should go for, Kuyt signing for Liverpool removed the need for that. Roeder spent month after month (allegedly) scouting and talking about Kuyt, Martins only started to get mentions once his team brought in 2 forwards and Martins was pushed down the pecking order, I'm sure that's when Martins asked for a transfer and we became alerted, that's my memory of it. Maybe Roeder knew Martins was going to ask for a transfer, who knows? It is possible that Emre tipped him off, we'll never know so will just have to guess.

I think by their nature Youngsters are inconsistent and erratic, the team against Birmingham was very Young and there were some nightmare performances, in particular from Ramage, Taylor and Huntington. We played Sheff Utd less than 48 hrs after playing (and beating) the team at the top of Serie A at the time and these thigs have to be taken into consideration. Its too easy and too stupid to say he's tactically inept or cant motivate the players when we lose to the s**** teams, its also fuckin stupid to not give him the credit when he deserves it. Winners dont need motivating, they want to put their lass in hospital when play fighting, we dont have enough of these. There is f*** all a Manager can do about individuals having nightmare games, he can say all the right things in the dressing room, he can tell them everything they need to know, its then down to them when they cross that white line. I cant begin to fathom out where you and people like you get your logic from. With people like you, he'll be blamed when things go wrong and its down to someone else when things go well, he cant win. Its pathetic, your own personal pride and agenda over reason Going by what you say it looks as if we've no need for a manager, we just need somebody to pick the team then its job done.

I've shown the first article that I found. I wouldn't disagree that he made the right decision, mainly because I don’t think he had a decision to make. I don't think he made any decision at all, I think Kuyt signing for Liverpool removed any need for a decision. I do think we got the better of the two, as much by luck as by judgment.

So when we do well against the top 4, its down to the players. When the players dont play against the bottom 4, its because Roeder cant motivate them and he's tactically inept. mackems.gif Fuckin hell, truly unbelievable. Damned if he does, damned if he doesnt. If you look hard enough for an excuse you'll always find one, no matter how fuckin ludicrous So do you think he had the players motivated when we played Birmingham at home? Were they motivated against Sheffield United at home? The list could go on and on, what do you put these performances down to? Were these players motivated against Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal? Had Roeder been saying that he wants players who are self-motivated?

To quote: but what Im glad he hasnt done is bought a body for the sake of it or took an ageing name on a last pay day. So you think Sibierski is an ageing "name" on a last pay day mackems.gif You're consistent I'll give you that, like a rabid dog chasing a stick and everytime putting your gums on the end with s*** on it Mick By August he had turned his attentions to Martins, the media were still linking us and saying we wouldnt rule out a move etc if I recall. He made the right decision for me. http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/chroniclesport/tm_method=full%26objectid=17564827%26siteid=50081-name_page.html

I was expecting to delete it, I've had about three down the pan already.