Mick

Can't believe so many Toon fans wanted us to wait until after the world cup to chase after a manager who isn't interested in getting back into management full time, laughable really mackems.gif He's never said that he's not interested in getting back into football, he's probably doing the same as Roeder when he was caretaker here. The laughable thing for me is that people actually wanted Roeder as manager. mackems.gif

I think Nobby would make a good manager, he's a clever footballer, it would depend how he could adapt to moving away from his mates.

Pathetic, you do realise that the bandwagon you referred to ended something like 10 years ago, maybe you didn't. Thank you for the insight into the bandwagon jumpers take on fans who will stick with the club, like they did before Nice to see you think the bandwagon ended 10 years ago, you must mean they have stuck around since because the s**** board has gave them something worth " supporting " then ? Unlike the board you defend, who ran the club when we had crowds of 15,000, that you think is "the same as ....... " Whatever, I suppose that makes sense to you and that's all that matters.

Pathetic, you do realise that the bandwagon you referred to ended something like 10 years ago, maybe you didn't.

What are you on about now? You really are a sad old man, you think you know more than anybody, get a life. I haven't got a clue what you're on about, do you even know? You're wrong again, I couldn't care less if he's not a Geordie, I just wish he'd stop claiming to be one. Why does Shepherd feel he needs to tell people what he got up to in the playground? If he's trying to look hard then he needs to grow up. He'll only impress people like you and to be honest it would appear that you'd be impressed by anything he says or does anyway. Also, I've never claimed that I "would be happy with all these hedge funds from Jersey," you do understand that The Belgravia Group are not a Hedge Fund, don't you? I don't think I did reply to Macbeth, I wasn't really bothered one way or another about what he said, I don't reply to every post on here. You should seek help, you are totally clueless, is it an age thing? It's strange that you mention words like fact, you odviously don't even know the meaning of the word.

Guilty Seriously, I don't see many defending him, or even praising him, just being open minded and fair. I think most recognise his limitations and are on record saying he's average and not the right man for us long-term. I disagree regarding the differences between him and Souness BTW, I think he's different on many levels and a vast improvement, although that's hardly anything to shout about given just how crap Souness was as a manager. Since Roeder took over: Form - top 6 form bassed on points won in that time Given all the crap, like injuries, not strenthening the defence, pissing about in the transfer market, the sore defeats, the s*** performances, that's not a bad record post-Souness mess, I don't think many would be able to improve on that. Contrast O'Neill (the choice of many) and Villa, who have performed near enough the same under him, as they did under O'Leary, who was to them what Souness was to us. Makes you think like. This season hasn't been good enough and just isn't acceptable of course in the grande scheme of things, but by the same token, it was to be expected post Souness, especially with our squad and injuries, I actually thought we'd do much worse pre-season and during the season so he's overachieved and surpassed my expections in that sense, and that is why I'm cutting him some slack and being lenient or as I like to think, fair. He deserves it, as an honest man doing an honest job, a very very tough job he is ille equipped to do, a job he should never have been giving in the first place. I think too many people are quick to jump on his back here and are in danger of using Roeder as a punchbag or a scapegoat, quite a few think if we sack him, we'll just get in a better manager and things will be honkey dory, incredibly. Long-term, if this club is to go anywhere, then of course he has to go. But for the club to go anywhere, action needs to be taken not at his door, but at the board's door, first - it can only happen in that order. In short, it doesn't matter whether Roeder is manager or not, not in the state the club is in at the moment. I refuse to get pissed off with him or become bitter and twisted just because he said something daft in the paper I didn't like, or made a daft substitution, or chose the wrong team, etc. I'm saving all that up for the real culprits behind our demise, not someone handicapped who despite this is doing the best he can. Roeder is a good honest man, who deserves our patience, our respect and our forgiveness for th s**** that has been served up this season. IMO opinion. The question wasn't really to have a go at anybody, I'm just interested if it's the same people, do some people have more tolerance towards the manager? We're all different and want/expect different things. I don't know which side is right on this and we'll only know through time although I think I'm right.

You've asked how he didn't do better, who is he? I've mentioned 5 names so you'll have to give a little pointer as to who you're referring to. When have I ever referred to any board as being able to attract trophy winning managers? By the way, Joe Harvey was a trophy winning manager, the last one we've had at the club. You doubt very much that Sir John doesn't have more than a significant input, Shepherd moans that he's doing everything himself or words to that effect, I think he'll have a better idea than you.

The major shareholder was recently being slagged off in the press for having nothing to do with the running of the club, Shepherd was having a go at him. I don't see how he can be blamed if he has nothing to do with the club. It's premature to write off Roeder but it was OK to slag off Souness from almost day 1, double standards and hypocrisy considering the record of Roeder at previous clubs is worse, how long should we wait? Shepherd isn't a Geordie and is taking the club backwards. As for another Keegan, how about Bobby Robson, he's not called Keegan but he did a good job, Keegan isn't a 1 off.

Exactly, one was taking the club forwards the other is hiding behind it, he's also a Cumbrian who talks about being a Geordie.

It's the job of the chairman to appoint the right person, even you admitted that, Sir John didn't appoint a Souness or a Roeder as manager, do you not see any difference? Did you not say before we appointed Roeder that you thought Shepherd should go if he got it wrong again?

Yes. I've corrected your post, you obviously didn't understand the question.

It wasn't the current board who saved the club, you're wrong. It was Sir John who covered loans and put some of his own money in. Sir John has since taken his money back, and lots more. He's no longer on the board and as far as I'm aware the only person who put anything into the club other than through investing in shares.

What would it take to get the spark back? Firstly I'd like to see a change for the better at the top, another Sir John Hall would do nicely for me. He might have relied upon others but he produced and that is the job of the chairman, to appoint people who will take the club forwards. Shepherd helped to do this along with Freddy Fletcher and Douglas, it's not something he (Shepherd) has been able to repeat since taking over other than when he appointed Bobby Robson, he's got the most important decision wrong on too many occasions to be allowed to keep on doing it. I would then hope that the new chairman would re-structure the club and take it forwards, come up with a plan which set goals and go for it, Shepherd seems to have learned something with his latest appointment to the board but I've got no faith in him as chairman any more, I expect everything he does will turn to shit. A new manager would then be on the shopping list, somebody who we could look to and know we had a good chance of heading in the right direction again. We were able to see something in Keegan and Sir Bobby, we knew they'd move hell and earth to bring success to the club, I guess we could have that same faith in Sir John, I don't have it in Shepherd or Roeder. NE5 will probably take the piss out of this but we need to be financially sound, we're probably now seeing results of giving the wrong man too much money, the manager cocked up but so did the chairman when he appointed the manager in the first place. Roeder has nothing in his record to suggest that he's capable of taking us anywhere close to where we should be, not by divine right but on the back of 50,000 who turn up most home games and pa extortionate prices for the privilege. We pay "Rolls-Royce" admission fees so should be given "rolls-Royce" performances, both on the field and off it. Newcastle United FC is underperforming in everything it does and that’s not good enough. If people are happy to accept that then good, I’ll not and I don’t see why anybody should just because the odd person thinks that they should. If some people are happy to accept shite then that’s the choice they’ve made, it’s not my choice and it shouldn’t be the choice of others.

He must have a second job if he can afford that.

The club needs fresh blood and fresh ideas from top to bottom, somebody needs to go right through the lot of them and get rid of the drift wood, we've got plenty of that.

Shepherd said his time would be up if he got the next managerial appointment wrong (Roeder). I'm happy to hold him to that if Glenn goes. More importantly, NE5 also said that Shepherd should go if he got this one wrong.

We'll never really know, the Martins transfer only kicked in once Milan brought two new forwards in and Martins started to say that he wanted away because of a lack of first team opportunities.

Roeder and Woodgate seem to have two differing versions of events, one we didn't speak and one we did. It was well publicised that Woodgate was travelling up to see us after speaking to Boro although that could be bullshit, woodgate saying that we did speak suggests that maybe him and the press were right, it's a strange one as I can't see any reason for Roeder to tell porkies but the same could be said of Woodgate, why would he tell lies about it? I can't see how Martins was first choice, we started scouting Kuyt in April at the latest but didn't even start looking at Martins until the season was almost upon us, we'll never know.

I have no idea who these players are that he missed out on, one would appear to be Woodgate but that one is understandable considering his injury record, Kuyt was another. Viduka must have been one of these players, we were quite happy to off-load Milner until a last minute deal for Viduka fell through, if he wanted Viduka then why wait until the transfer window was about to close before doing something about it? I don't know who the others are. What does piss me off about Woodgate is that Roeder has mentioned his injuries over the last couple of days as a reason for not bringing him here, that’s bullshit. I'm sure Roeder knew about the injuries before speaking to him, I'm sure they didn't just come up out of the blue during some random conversation, if Roeder was so bothered about Woodgate having a poor injury record then why bother talking to him at all? As for being meticulous, he took it to an extreme with Kuyt, I'm not too concerned that we didn't get him as Martins has made more of an impact than him this season. Why he scouted him from April and still had to scout him the day after he'd agreed so sign for Liverpool is crazy and smacks as a lack of faith in his own ability to make a judgement on a player. Not making rash decisions is one thing but dithering is another, we would have been right in the shit this season if it wasn't for Martins making it known that he wanted to leave Milan because of a lack of opportunity. If we are going to bring in a Director of Football then we should be looking at somebody who has been involved with a club who is seen as using best practice, not somebody who has never been involved at the highest level, somebody who has struggled at everything he's done. Roeder has not managed in the Premiership for 3 seasons in total yet, he does have experience with working for the FA, at least I think he does, that's no great claim to fame, Howard Wilkinson worked for the FA for years and hardly set the world on fire when he went back to club football.

Roeder was only working at the Academy for 6 months before taking over the first team, he hardly transformed the place in that time, I have no idea who he brought in but I don't think it was any of the kids that came through this year. I remember his when he first became caretaker, he said something along the lines of the kids not being good enough to come through, I can't remember if he was referring to them and this season or them not being good enough at all. As for his transfers, I don't think he knows what he's doing, his transfer activity is like his team selection, he hasn't got the balls to make a decision so seems to lose players. He's either losing out on players or he was chasing Sibierski, Rossi and Bernard for a long time which I doubt. Personally, I don't want Roeder having anything to do with structuring the club, his experience as Gillingham, Watford and West Ham hardly qualify him for that.

What makes Roeder a good candidate for director of football?

Watching Newcastle is a bit like going to the bar and having a pint put in a glass and only getting a half out.

Roeder isn't the problem, he's just a symptom. if we have a symptom i hope shepherd has the cure A bullet to the head?

Do me a favour.