Mick

Sorry, but I would rather we didn't cheat, that's the way I am and I'll not change. I don't care if it's one of our players or the opposition, its shit as far as I'm concerned. I hate seeing so much cheating in football, a lot of forwards drop a foot when in the box in hope of getting a penalty and they usually get away with it. I hate seeing all of the shirt pulling which goes on, it spoils the game for me as it's not necessary, video evidence is used for banning people for dodgy tackles and I would love to see the cheats getting bans for diving, no matter who they are or who they play for.

I doubt many people thought about how they felt about Ronaldo when Duff dived.

I went for below par, I might change my mind later as the last two games have gone well for us, we've done OK against Liverpool and last night looked like a walk in the park. My fear is that this might just be a blip and we'll get beat the next time we play a team who we expect to beat in the league. Liverpool was a game you'd expect the players to motivate themselves for and last night was against a team who looked as if they didn't expect to win. Time will tell, I'd like to see him change my mind.

Bellamy has already been mentioned, I'm sure he was classed as the same while at Coventry, he did alright when he came here. I'm not certain that he would have done a good job here (Mpenza), you just don't know. Certain players are brilliant for one club yet fail at another, somethimes they just feel right at one club and play much better because of it.

would he have scored 206 goals in 10 seasons while missing the most part of at least 2 of them is the question you should be asking yourself Shearer didn't score 206 goals in 10 seasons after Robson tried to sell him.

Cheating bastard, I'd be gutted if it was against us so feel just the same when it's for us.

Let's see what happens when the opposition doesn't motivate the players, if we start beating the lower teams then I might agree.

A statue for Shearer at this stage is crazy.

My original thoughts before the season started was between 8th and 12th, I'll stick to that, I did get a bit worried around the time we played Sheffield but things have improved since then.

Just when I think you can't get any more boring you prove me wrong, you really take some beating. aye, all these anti NUFC posts are rather tedious aren't they I'll take it back then, I'm on the edge of my seat after reading that one.

Martins has got the most important thing right, he knows where the goal is and can build on that.

What?

Just when I think you can't get any more boring you prove me wrong, you really take some beating.

He knows where the goal is and seems to be learning all of the time, he's going to be excellent if he keeps making progress the way he has so far.

good "planning" ? I would say so, but I expect those who slate the club whatever they do will say it is lucky or something http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/759/jesusweptyt6.th.jpg

Roeders quotes may have been taken out of context, he might have said "only a month."

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Piss taking aside, I really think the signing of Shearer was a gamble, I think Keegan and Sir John thought that Shearer and Ferdinand would bring the title to the club so gambled on a title helping to finance Shearer, when it didn't work we had to sell one of them and Ferdinand was getting on and wasn't a Geordie so he was the one to go to bring some cash in. That's just an opinion but it fits what was happening, £15 million was a lot of money to play for one player, in fact it was still a lot for 2 or 3 players. I've never had any problem with the reason Beardsley gave for leaving, he went to guaranteed trophies, no team other than Liverpool could give him that and he chose well. I'm sure Waddle and Gazza went for the cash, didn't Gazza had an option of going to Man U, a team more likely to win something than Spurs. Maybe Gazza just preferred working with Vanables, none of us will know the real reason but I seriously doubt that it was for trophies, no matter what he said at the time.

I can't remember Shearer leaving for Spurs, you're confusing him with Ferdinand by the looks of it. The league table you posted does show a few clubs going backwards, that's no excuse for us doing the same and it's totally unrelated, it's your attempt to deflect things away from where we are now. Villa finishing bottom 7 seasons after winning the European Cup is going backwards, I thought that would be obvious although I'm not surprised that you didn't recognise it. Shit as Ellis may be, he guided Villa to finish above a Newcastle guided by Shepherd more times than not, what does that make Shepherd? Remember you use league position as the form guide.

The ambitions of the board are the same now as they were back then, to take as much out of the club as possible, if Shepherd had any ambitions for success he'd resign and appoint somebody who knew what they were doing. I don't suppose you'll understand that. A shite manager is a useless thing to have, to give him almost £50 million is financial suicide.

Your first worry is my biggest worry, the transfer market might be a lack of bottle, that is easier to change and could actually be of benefit in the long term.

At this time I can only see one improvement to just over a year ago and that is Souness has gone. Things might get better, they should once Owen returns but I can't see Owen taking us to where we were before the arrival of Souness. With Robson you always knew he'd eventually turn things around, you always knew that he was capable of giving us a good team, his record in management told us that. Roeder doesn't have the benefit of that record, anybody getting too excited about what Roeder might do is not living in the real world. Things might work out well for us under him, if they do then it's a first for him as a manager.

Yes you've forgotten one thing. You support the club apparently. If people cant see the difference between the s**** that Souness served up and the football that Roeder has encouraged us to play (minus Owen & Shearer) then they are not watching the same side that i saw last season. Souness's side couldnt string two passes together, let alone elicit praise from the southern press for actually trying to play football. I can see a bit of a difference at times and none at other times, I'm not sure what you're getting at when you refer to last season. Do you mean Souness last season, Roeder last season, or both? Anyway, I agree last season under Roeder was better than last season under Souness. This season under Roeder has been a step backwards because he's managing differently, I've explained in my last post where I think he's going wrong and I'll stick by that, I might change my mind but not yet. When Roeder has choices to make he'll get them wrong more often than right. As soon as he gets his blue eyed boys back he''ll pick them, his reaction to Carr being injured is laughable and worrying if he's being honest. Roeder was a defender yet he's done nothing to improve our defence, we still look as if we're one game away from defensive blunders. Quite often this season we've also been unable to string 2 passes together so we're not that much better with our passing. Nobby had us ticking over a lot better but was dropped when returning after suspension, this wasn't done to rest Solano, it was done because Roeder thought we'd play better with the team he put out. Did anybody agree with him? I don't know a single person who agreed with this before or after, it's worrying that Roeder thinks so highly of Carr, it's not a good sign.

I agree that he has a major rebuilding job on his hands, he just doesn't appear to be up to it, he pointed out that we were "paper thin" before the August transfer window then reduced the squad depth, that's stupidity. He's had an opportunity to put some of that right but again failed, he lost one loan player and brought another in. Roeder took over form Souness and put the round pegs into the round holes and we played better because people were comfortable with that, they knew what was expected and got on with it. He did the easy things and they worked, this year he's got his blue eyed boys and plays them regardless of form, again, that's stupidity. He comes across as being a ditherer who hasn't got the balls to drop certain players, he very rarely changes a game when things goes wrong. Any manager who can drop Nobby for Carr has got no idea what he's doing. Seeing the reaction from Roeder during the game reminds me of watching a rabbit in a cars headlights, he doesn't know what to do to get out of situations, sometimes he's just sitting on the bench and looks as if the world is just passing him by, maybe he's just cooly working things out, maybe he's clueless.

I wish it was.