binnsy

wooah thats a new one on me, i must've missed that, what song have we got to the tune of i'm forever blowing bubbles?

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!! NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy. Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high, this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!! I still believe its got a big future, whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind), there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence. What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work? I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest, Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority, i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago. The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work. You see that's one of the main problems with NUSC, it's all about "how can we get bigger, how can we get more members and more publicity?" and very little about "why do we exist, what are we about, what are we trying to say and how can we serve our members' interests?". It just seems like one huge vanity project for its leadership built on the back of the current unrest amongst the fans. What a ridiculous thing to say. Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months. If you want, you can include something that has made Ashley's departure more likely as one of your "positive" things, you still won't find anything. Whatever your view on Ashley, NUSC has achieved nothing, other than self-publicity. Raised over £3000 for the SBR Foundation. Here you go then, what have they achieved for supporters of Newcastle United in their 6 months of existance? And don't bullshit with the "stewards" crap because they had sod all to do with that, and the 2 fans who were arrested at the boro, well its hardly made a huge impact on the 40,000 others who regularly attend matches. Have they had a go at Newcastle United for changing their number from an 0191 number to an 0845 one? NOPE. Have they asked Newcastle United to justify the prices in the kiosks at the ground, sodding nearly £2 for a bottle of coke, over £3 for a pint? NOPE. Have they done anything other than have a go at Ashley and Llambias? NOPE! You never know they club might reduce their kiosk prices as a result of the boycott!!!! I can't really see them having a word in Ashleys ear about that really. i'd love to hear that conversation... " hi mike, i know we are boycotting your drinks and food in the ground but don't suppose you would mind reducing the price a bit, a few of the fans not boycotting are moaning that £3 a pint is too much"

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!! NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy. Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high, this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!! I still believe its got a big future, whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind), there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence. What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work? I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest, Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority, i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago. The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work. You see that's one of the main problems with NUSC, it's all about "how can we get bigger, how can we get more members and more publicity?" and very little about "why do we exist, what are we about, what are we trying to say and how can we serve our members' interests?". It just seems like one huge vanity project for its leadership built on the back of the current unrest amongst the fans. What a ridiculous thing to say. Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months. If you want, you can include something that has made Ashley's departure more likely as one of your "positive" things, you still won't find anything. Whatever your view on Ashley, NUSC has achieved nothing, other than self-publicity. Raised over £3000 for the SBR Foundation. Whilst it's fantastic that the charity received £3000 it's hardly worth getting excited about. No, but its still one positive thing NUSC has done is it not? They've raised £500 per month in 6 months. If that's the sum total of their achievements then they might as well not have bothered forming tbh. They could have gained a lot more respect by giving say £1 of every £10 membership fee direct to the charity. sort of similar but i no that the plan was to give % of the money from the t-shirts to the SBR foundation.

i can give you 4 that have impressed me so far this season.....not including Kazenga. Tamas Kadar, top prospect, a classy footballer, been really unlucky with 2 bad injuries this season, was playing brilliant when he broke his leg last month, i think if he hadn't broke his leg he'd be playing left back instead of Enrique now. James Tavernier, attacking right back, bags of energy, quick, bombs on in a Habib beye style, hopefully he'll be as good, also filled in at centre half and in midfield. Brad Inman talented midfield player, good passer, decent shot and strong runner, could be a star, need him to grow and beef up and we'll have a quality player, only just turned 17, you see Rodwell at 17 play for Everton but Rodwell looks twice the size of Brad! Nile Ranger 20 goals, still raw though, still got lots to learn, quick and good in the air, if any of them start believing the hype then none will make it, including Kaz. Hopefully someone at the club is drumming it into them that they've achieved or done nothing yet, if they knuckle down and keep learning and improving then they could be making the first team in the next couple of seasons. Haven't seen the likes of Spear and vukic yet plus Tozer has been out virtually all season, i think with a knee cartlidge injury.

Interesting that Inman replaced Donninger, i fully expect Doninger to be released this summer and Inman will replace him the reserves next season.

well at least its sounds like he put himself about cos last week he just sat in front of the 2 centre halfs and hardly moved and when he did get the ball he just gave a lazy 10 pass, think he made one sprint in the whole game, he'd never get match fit if he continued to play like that!!

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!! NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy. Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high, this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!! I still believe its got a big future, whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind), there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence. What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work? I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest, Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority, i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago. The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work.

I don't think anyone should be paying much attention to the academy results to much yet, especially anything below under 16 age group, always nice to see there doing well but even when they get to the under 18 and reserve(which is basically a under 21 premier league north) the jump to the premiership is massive. There's some talented footballers currently on the fringes of our first team and in our reserve team but i can't see many of them making a living as a premiership footballer, they will find their level in the football league. As regards to Dan Neary, good luck to the lad with his Rochdale trial, that has suprised me, not wanting to put the lad down i would've expected to have seen him released and end up at Blyth or Gateshead as that would be more his level.

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!! NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy. Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high, this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!! I still believe its got a big future, whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind), there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence.

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!!

i'd imagine that they'll announce something in the press in the next couple of days. They'll have to say something as its just a guessing game at the minute.

As you know from listening to the meeting Ashley/Llambias and Wise dominated the discussion but like i have said earlier that is what the MAIN topic of conversation and concern among Newcastle supporters, people are worried about the state of their football club and want to know what they can do. Like i have said things such as ticket prices aren't something that the fans are getting worked up about at present.

i can't remember what they are apart from the one i just mentioned and the long term goal of fan representation at boardroom level. Thing is you have said you agreed with one but i would no doubt guess that when it came to putting your vote on the poll you said not at all!

And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasnt attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for its formation is inevitable. There simply hasnt been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance well ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Those dismissing NUSC as a protest group are missing the big picture. Newcastle supporters loyalty has been abused for as long as I can remember. Owner after owner has treated us like s***. For at least four decades its been a straight choice between putting up with whatever s*** is hurled our way, or stop actively supporting the club we love. A strong supporters group would give us an alternative. And so I repeat.... NUSC have the opportunity to be a good thing, if they get off their single issue soapbox and start to think about things properly. They were set up as a knee-jerk reaction, and they need to realise that they have alienated themselves from the hierarchy of Newcastle United will ill-thought out comments, and the wrong attitude if they wanted to build a relationship between themselves and the club. If they can prove to be an organisation that is truly a supporters club, and not just a one trick pony then maybe the general population of newcastle fans will view them differently but until they do they can protest and rally and boycott all they like, but not in my name. NUSC is not a one trick pony, it has already tried to help on topics such as stewarding on level, help with the 2 lads who were arrested at Boro for the Islamaphobia etc BUT if you take your blinkers off for 2 minutes YOU may find out that you if you read the football letters pages, fanzines etc THE main topic concerning the supporters of NUFC is Mike Ashley, Llambias and Wise and there perceived mismanagement of the club. That is what Newcastle fans are talking about on almost a daily basis, that is what has filled most newspaper column inches on none match days, I'm sure if fans were complaining of ticket prices rising or not taking full away allocations then i'm sure they would be brought up but Ashley IS the main topic at this moment in time. The only one trick pony is you constantly repeating yourself. And I would say bollocks to that. I have already said about the stewarding. I got a phone call from the police in charge of match day policing who told me it was due to "individual supporters" like myself and others who complained to the club and the police about the stewarding that this got changed. Never mentioned NUSC at all in it. Ok they may have become involved in individual cases with the boro islamaphobia bollocks but where was the NUSC press statement immediately after the media branded us racists for the second season running denying that? No-where! They didn't bother with it. If they want to be a supporters club then represent all the supporters in a professional manner. If they want to be an "Ashley OUT" organisation then find someone who is willing to buy the club from Ashley, but don't pretend to be a representative body for the supporters when there are only 600 members and numbers in polls show that they do not represent the feelings of the majority of supporters. The polls on here is utter bollocks anyway, people were voting on if they agree with NUSC's aims when the don't/didn't know what the aims of the NUSC are. Reading this forum you'd get the impression that it is ONLY wanting Ashley Out which isn't true. So maybe NUSC need to inform the Newcastle United fans WHAT their actual aims are. Because no-one, including NUSC, seems to know! i posted them on one of the threads last week, you even agreed with one of the them, the one calling for the resignation of Wise & Llambias!!

And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasn’t attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for it’s formation is inevitable. There simply hasn’t been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance we’ll ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Those dismissing NUSC as a protest group are missing the big picture. Newcastle supporters loyalty has been abused for as long as I can remember. Owner after owner has treated us like s***. For at least four decades it’s been a straight choice between putting up with whatever s*** is hurled our way, or stop actively supporting the club we love. A strong supporters group would give us an alternative. And so I repeat.... NUSC have the opportunity to be a good thing, if they get off their single issue soapbox and start to think about things properly. They were set up as a knee-jerk reaction, and they need to realise that they have alienated themselves from the hierarchy of Newcastle United will ill-thought out comments, and the wrong attitude if they wanted to build a relationship between themselves and the club. If they can prove to be an organisation that is truly a supporters club, and not just a one trick pony then maybe the general population of newcastle fans will view them differently but until they do they can protest and rally and boycott all they like, but not in my name. NUSC is not a one trick pony, it has already tried to help on topics such as stewarding on level, help with the 2 lads who were arrested at Boro for the Islamaphobia etc BUT if you take your blinkers off for 2 minutes YOU may find out that you if you read the football letters pages, fanzines etc THE main topic concerning the supporters of NUFC is Mike Ashley, Llambias and Wise and there perceived mismanagement of the club. That is what Newcastle fans are talking about on almost a daily basis, that is what has filled most newspaper column inches on none match days, I'm sure if fans were complaining of ticket prices rising or not taking full away allocations then i'm sure they would be brought up but Ashley IS the main topic at this moment in time. The only one trick pony is you constantly repeating yourself. And I would say bollocks to that. I have already said about the stewarding. I got a phone call from the police in charge of match day policing who told me it was due to "individual supporters" like myself and others who complained to the club and the police about the stewarding that this got changed. Never mentioned NUSC at all in it. Ok they may have become involved in individual cases with the boro islamaphobia bollocks but where was the NUSC press statement immediately after the media branded us racists for the second season running denying that? No-where! They didn't bother with it. If they want to be a supporters club then represent all the supporters in a professional manner. If they want to be an "Ashley OUT" organisation then find someone who is willing to buy the club from Ashley, but don't pretend to be a representative body for the supporters when there are only 600 members and numbers in polls show that they do not represent the feelings of the majority of supporters. The polls on here are utter bollocks anyway, people were voting on if they agree with NUSC's aims when the don't/didn't know what the aims of the NUSC are. Reading this forum you'd get the impression that it is ONLY wanting Ashley Out which isn't true.

And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasn’t attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for it’s formation is inevitable. There simply hasn’t been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance we’ll ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Those dismissing NUSC as a protest group are missing the big picture. Newcastle supporters loyalty has been abused for as long as I can remember. Owner after owner has treated us like s***. For at least four decades it’s been a straight choice between putting up with whatever s*** is hurled our way, or stop actively supporting the club we love. A strong supporters group would give us an alternative. And so I repeat.... NUSC have the opportunity to be a good thing, if they get off their single issue soapbox and start to think about things properly. They were set up as a knee-jerk reaction, and they need to realise that they have alienated themselves from the hierarchy of Newcastle United will ill-thought out comments, and the wrong attitude if they wanted to build a relationship between themselves and the club. If they can prove to be an organisation that is truly a supporters club, and not just a one trick pony then maybe the general population of newcastle fans will view them differently but until they do they can protest and rally and boycott all they like, but not in my name. NUSC is not a one trick pony, it has already tried to help on topics such as stewarding on level 7, help with the 2 lads who were arrested at Boro for the Islamaphobia etc BUT if you take your blinkers off for 2 minutes YOU may find out that if you read the football letters pages, fanzines etc THE main topic concerning the supporters of NUFC is Mike Ashley, Llambias and Wise and there perceived mismanagement of the club. That is what Newcastle fans are talking about on almost a daily basis, that is what has filled most newspaper column inches on none match days, I'm sure if fans were complaining of ticket prices rising or not taking full away allocations then i'm sure they would be brought up but Ashley IS the main topic at this moment in time. The only one trick pony is you constantly repeating yourself.

only seen little glimpses of Dummet so can't really judge him but Inman looks a quality midfield player, has impressed me when i've seen him this season. Definately one to watch, not wanting to build him up and make him into a Ranger type supergod but could be the answer to our creative midfield problems, although still a bit away from PL level, as with most of our youth team products he's on the small side!

Mort said they had a 5 yr plan when they took over, its not looking too good if this is the situation we find ourselves in almost 2 years into the plan If they are now embarking on a new 5 year plan now then surely having a 62 year old manager with a history of health problems was not a good start!! Surely it needed a young manager to see the yr plan through.

Utter bollocks, i have read all your posts regarding the NUSC topic(i'm gettting bored of it now seems to be 4 or 5 threads going round in circles) and although i'm in favour of the NUSC, as a whole, don't agree with everything they do, but i do think we need a supporters club, hopefully soon to be trust i respect your opinion and think you put forward your reasons why you are against it very well and have made some excellent points but your final comment on that post is bang out of order. You can say lots of things about the NUSC but no way can you say they don't give a toss about NUFC and won't be supporting the team is a fucking insult. Its because they give a toss that they decided to get off their arses and tried to do something cos they were utterly dismayed and pissed off at the way there football club was being ran. How can you say someone like Mark Jenson from the Mag, who's ran one of the longest running football fanzines in the country doesn't give a toss about NUFC, the lads from nufc.com, christ Biffa watches every virtually every single Newcastle United match 1st team, reserve and academy and the lads from True faith, all have given financial backing to get it up and running. The people who went to that 1st meeting and decided to not only join but put there services forward to join the committee and run the whole thing aren't doing it for money, its cos they love their football club. Christ i wish i didn't give a toss and i could walk away from it all but i can't, its a bloody addiction that drives me mad but i still bloody love it, its giving a toss that got me out of bed at 6am to go down to the hawthorns to watch the match last Saturday and its the love of MY football club and giving a toss that got me leaving work early next MOnday to watch our reserve team hopefully go one better than the 1st team and win at Ewood park against Blackburn.

No's 2 and 4 are so ludicrously out of sync with the the supposed idea of working with the club it's hard to take this organisation seriously. I wouldn't disagree with you mate, i put them aims up, taken from the minutes from the only members meeting that they've had in response to people saying that there sole aim is Ashley out.

Perhaps, but I want as many people to vote as possible to get a true idea of people's intentions, which might not have happened if it was stuck on top of a thread people may be sick of reading already. Hence it's in a new thread. I can understand that but maybe it could've waited until say next week when they may have announced what is planned, for all we know it could be there way are creating awareness and getting people to join, the people who may have expressed an interest in joining but live away from the area and haven't been able to get to the meetings, i think i saw somewhere that they've got something like 6000 email enquiries. Maybe its a chance for some of the committee to stand with a microphone and spell out the aims and goals for the NUSC and get that message across to a wider audience, not everyone goes on internet forums.

Could this not have went in with the other threads on the NUSC? When i first heard about the rally at the at the public meeting last week i was intending on going before i went to the game but i won't be making my decision until someone from the NUSC comes out and gives details of what the Rally is about and what is planned. As a result i haven't voted.

There is a supporters rally at the monument at 3pm on the day we play Everton, NUSC have never said they are having a protest, they specifically said RALLY not protest. LIke i seem to be constantly repeating myself on numerous threads but no one seems to be taking there blinkers off, they haven't yet come out and said what is going to happen at this rally. I know one thing though that will be said, they be urging every single supporter who goes to the monument to get inside SJP and raise the fucking roof in giving 110% support to the team on the pitch.

sod getting a scoreboard especially if its going to cost £1.2m, money's tight that cash needs to go towards a left back not a bloody scoreboard, they already run the scores along the advertising boards at ht.