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I feel (kind of) sorry for Pardew. He has to get his team motivated to go out and play but also has to deal with a whole load of shit that had very little to do with him and he certainly didn't want. You get into bed with sharks you get bitten. He knew what he was doing. This, if he came into this job genuinely thinking things would be plain sailing, he's arguably the most naive person in the history of football. But this too. Team spirit is the biggest thing about this team right now, can't see it deteriorating that quickly.

I gave up at the second paragraph, where apparently, money wouldn't buy Nando's affections. The same 'Nando' that hasn't given a shit about them for at least 6 months

Pardew, in an interview on SSN, said they told Carroll they'd review the contract in the summer, but he wanted it yesterday. I didn't imagine that, did I? Ah right, I'm at work. Well even so, if both parties wanted him to stay then you'd think they could agree something. Someone is lying, that's all. With you there, man. Can't say I trust any of them more than one another tbh.

You havent answered my last post to you mate. You should find it quite easy, dunno why you're still having a go otherwise There's only so many ways I can say that re-negotiating a contract a few months into his current contract is bad business. No matter how much his 'valuation' has sky rocketed.

Pardew, in an interview on SSN, said they told Carroll they'd review the contract in the summer, but he wanted it yesterday. I didn't imagine that, did I?

Said 'investment', if it does happen, will probably include any new players' wages too. So a £5m player with, say, £5m a year wages. That's a £10m chunk.

Leon Best got a hat trick. Triple his weekly wages?

The media have brought so much money to the game. The more money into an industry, the more it trickles down to the people in said industry. Just a shame exactly how far it's got. The money on offer these days will turn any player's head, no matter what their 'loyalty' is to a club. It's just bred a generation of pricks, and I can't see how that will change for a good few generations. Until the punters stop piling the amount of money they do into the game, it'll stay this way.

If they wanted to build a team to win things & keep their best players & had the means to do so then they should react to what other clubs are willing to offer the lad if they want to keep him ofcourse. Otherwise they would lose him, as realistically they likely will at some point. Its very simple, if you dont negotiate you'll lose your best players as the player will nearly always go for the money if its being offered & they are being much more highly valued elsewhere. How much would you be willing to give Carroll? However much Liverpool offered. Like, if Man Utd came in and offered him £200k a week to move, we should give him £210k, yeah? Makes sense, it's his market worth, init.

I know I shouldn't get like this over a football forum, but Jayson's genuinely making me physically angry right now

Hmm. 'All money will be used' according to Pardew on SSN right now.

This. Jayson's whole argument is based on 'well, Liverpool were stupid enough to pay that much'. So that means we should keep up? I'm glad you don't run our club, as you'd be a step above Shepherd in throwing money at problems and people.

Heck, Yes they would. See Spurs/Berbatov! Harry/Spurs are the ultimate wheeler/dealer buy low/sell high club that turn their assets over to the betterment of the club. If they were offered 35m at the same point in the window. Meaning they couldnt have had any time to replace him. Maybe they would, i think its debatable again. Either way theyre actually in a much better position with the type of names they have in their squad to be able to do that & be able to replace him with more quality. Maybe Spurs are in this good position now BECAUSE of the fact that they sold their top striker for silly money a few years ago and re-invested it into the team. Let's just hope that part comes to fruition.

Because ? He wasnt being valued at 35m two months ago Are you kidding me? Say Barton signed a new contract a month ago aproximately, and a club like Man City came in and bid $20 million for him, that would justify him coming knocking for a new and improved contract. It doesnt mean shit if they are suddenly valued higher. You just signed a new contract, now honour the thing. No. Because Carroll is an 'exceptional' case. There'd be no precedent set by giving in to Carroll's demands or anything, like.

Agree with all but the bolded. The cunts need torturing, a simple, quick death is too good for them.

WHAT!!!! Carroll has said he asked for a new contract AFTER liverpool had made a bid, in a bid to get more money from the whole saga which just strikes as utter greed from him and his agent. Now hold on a second here. Did he say anything about the terms of that contract? Couldn't the new contract be considered an indication that he wasn't interested in going? After 2 months after signing one. That should be enough in anyone's book. You only ask for a new contract after signing one 2 months earlier for MONEY! Of course a new contract is about money but his value has basically gone from next to nothing to 30 odd million in a year. He's our best and most important player and yet he's on 30k a week, while others are on a lot more. I think i'd be asking for a new contract as well. Not 2 Months after signing a new one. I think even Ashley would have accepted negotiations at the end of the season. But 2 months just because a club's put in a ridiculous bid is taking the piss. It's nothing to do with his market value. It's to do with a precedent it sets, no matter what you say about it being an exceptional case or whatever, that's not the way it'll be seen. Other players will see it as a marker that they can demand a new contract after a purple patch of form and they don't think they're being valued highly.

Anyone wonder how he'll get on without a figure like Nolan taking him under his wing? He'll probably make a little triumvirate of pricks with Gerrard and Carragher as his mentors

No, he's not. Andy Carroll is.

How far would £35m go to cloning research?

That's a fair shout, something I've wondered. Surely could've grabbed one or two players from them to help us for the rest of the season. Who? Their team is fucking garbage apart from their two new strikers man I can't say I know who, I know fuck all about the Liverpool squad, but surely there would have been a couple of players in there they would've parted with who could've played a fair role for us, even just until the end of the season?

it means to me that they aren't prepared for players to take the piss. if carroll wanted the new contract at the end of the season after having a good season then he may have had a point...not 3 month after agreeing a contract just because someone has bid for him and that is the crux here, he wouldn't have been wanting a new contract if liverpool hadn't bid and offered huge wages. pure greed. Ofcourse he wouldnt have wanted it otherwise. Surely a bid of 35 million for a player changes things quite drastically no? This is a remarkable situation. If someone is being valued by anywhere near that much he isnt usually on anywhere near 30k a week. Just because a club is desperate enough to bid ridiculous money for a player, doesn't mean we should give him a payrise. Especially two months after his last payrise. That's the worst bit, 2 months, he couldn't even wait until the end of the season before trying it ffs.

That's a fair shout, something I've wondered. Surely could've grabbed one or two players from them to help us for the rest of the season.

So whenever a player has a good patch, he should get another payrise 2 months after his last? I'm on the board's side when it comes to not giving him a new contract. Not claiming they're completely blameless, but I'm not arguing on the lack of new contract.

So, I'm pretty much only just home after work and then a night out. I'm 200 pages behind on this thread The jist is, some people are claiming a conspiracy theory, just like the BBC, that Carroll was forced out? When, from what I've read, there's not a single thing that truly points to it? Can't help but feel the guy got his head turned and he figured he'd take the shot at Liverpool. I feel like it's in the same mould as the mackems and Bent, except Carroll hasn't wanted out for as long. Player likes the look of 'trading up', transfer request, unbelievable offer, might as well sell a player for a shitload of money if he's going to be unhappy. The only thing I've read is the mobile BBC website though.

We should just do this tbh. Everytime the saggy scrotum faced wankbag talks about Carroll, talk about Bale. Everytime the saggy scrotum faced wankbag puts in a bid for Carroll, put in a piss-takingly derisory bid for Bale. Just show them up for the pieces of shit they are and irritate the fuck out of them. Hell, I'd be so immature I'd put someone on the payroll to contact Spurs every one minute, placing new bids for Bale, upping the offer by 1p everytime.