merlin

This is what SHOULD have happened in the close season before they fired him....into the boardroom as DOF..

This just about sums up the whole situation.

I was waiting to see what happened about Redknapp before making any comments about the new regime. Now that it appears that Redknapp WAS the preferred candidate, I have to say that I am very disappointed in the way this situation has been handled - and VERY concerned about the Club's future. I was almost certain that people who appear to be successful in business and the Professions(Ashley and Mort) with a wide experience of life in general would have had more common sense than to fire Allardyce without having a definite replacement lined up. Its a different matter if you act in the way they have at the end of a season, as you have time to sort out choices from a wider range, but to do so at this stage of the season is very serious because our choices are limited - you are not allowed to approach another club for their manager without their permission, and there are very few clubs who will grant that permission now.. Also, the refusal by Redknapp, whilst understandable bearing in mind his age and comfortable life-style, bodes very ill for the likelihood of the club being able to attract a top name.. This is why I would have gone for Mowbray - a young, up and coming manager with a good track record at both his clubs so far, who favours attacking football - the top names are just NOT going to take the job. However, I had doubts as to whether Mowbray would take the job if offered, because he has only been with WBA since Oct 2006 and they are going for promotion this season ; he will probably wish to achieve at least that before moving again. Even if he HAD taken the job(and this applies to ANY candidate now), he would have needed at least 2 years to get this lot sorted out - I actually thought the team played decent football against Man U for the first half, and 2 stupid and avoidable goals let the roof fall in , but there ARE some signs of hope in the gloom as far as players go - yes, we need at least 3 in different positions, but there are some talented players at the club ; unfortunately, the ones we need will be hard to get, so it will take time. Where we go from here is hard to visualize - if pushed, I would guess that we will end up with Shearer and either KD or KK as advisor(which may not be a bad shout in the end)and Rob Lee as a coach/asst mger. The names mentioned are probably the best we can do now. If these guys say no ... well, they might as well start planning to build flats on SJP. They couldn't even get that right - the Housing Market is descending into a recession....!!! As someone said on another thread - 'Now we'll see what Ashley and Mort are made of!'........

Wall was to blame for first goal(all jumped over ball), and Given to blame for second goal - his clearance was lashed straight at Cacapa - how anyone can blame Cacapa for being in the penalty area is a mystery to me - Given's kicking has never been great this season. These two stupid goals finished the game.

so simple. so correct. Why does it take so long for people to understand. I'd prefer he backed a manager that was significantly better than the one he just sacked. Why does it take so long for people to understand. Agreed, but nothing is that simple. Dalglish had a track record better than Alex Ferguson at the time, and he flopped. Sometimes its a matter of the 2 pieces just being right for each other. Does he have the right personality for your club ? Is he good in front of the camera [important to Newcastle this one]. What sort of football does he play [important because its been proven AGAIN that managers who bore the pants off people don't last long when they aren't winning. I've never like Redknappy for being a cockney tosser etc etc etc but I can see some positives. Wenger has always been my number 1 choice though, and with hindsight although Allardyce had certain qualities that were right for a Newcastle manager, the fact that he couldn't shake off his small time club mentality, and try to play the right type of football that you must play at the high level if you want to succeed at that level, has been his downfall. I think that Redknapp does play this type of football. So it all rests on how much he is backed and how well he uses the money, and yes, how long he is given. But I think if he struggles in his first few months he will get some slack because it may be that we can that he may be on the right lines. Hopefully. If its Harry, he has my backing, and even a week ago I never thought I would say that about him. But thinking about it now ........ so simple. so correct. Why does it take so long for people to understand. I'd prefer he backed a manager that was significantly better than the one he just sacked. Why does it take so long for people to understand. Agreed, but nothing is that simple. Dalglish had a track record better than Alex Ferguson at the time, and he flopped. Sometimes its a matter of the 2 pieces just being right for each other. Does he have the right personality for your club ? Is he good in front of the camera [important to Newcastle this one]. What sort of football does he play [important because its been proven AGAIN that managers who bore the pants off people don't last long when they aren't winning. I've never like Redknappy for being a cockney tosser etc etc etc but I can see some positives. Wenger has always been my number 1 choice though, and with hindsight although Allardyce had certain qualities that were right for a Newcastle manager, the fact that he couldn't shake off his small time club mentality, and try to play the right type of football that you must play at the high level if you want to succeed at that level, has been his downfall. I think that Redknapp does play this type of football. So it all rests on how much he is backed and how well he uses the money, and yes, how long he is given. But I think if he struggles in his first few months he will get some slack because it may be that we can that he may be on the right lines. Hopefully. If its Harry, he has my backing, and even a week ago I never thought I would say that about him. But thinking about it now ........ I actually disagree that Dalglish flopped - he was very unlucky to have to deal with a difficult situation not long after he took over(people forget we were 7th when he took over in Jan, and he got us to 2nd just beating Arsenal to CL football in May 97) The club decided to sell Ferdinand amd Shearer got injured - we all know what happened next - and as we were a PLC, he didn't have unlimited funds whenever he wanted them, but he bought Hamman, Solano and Given - all great signings. He fell foul of Fletcher over the transfer of Gillespie, and they fell out big time - from then on, his card was marked and they got him out only 2 games into the new season... I reckon he WOULD have been a success given another few months, but we'll never know - at least he rubbished the media's claims that NUFC is a manager's graveyard ; he said it is a great job so he can't be as bad as people say ; the media hated him because he was brusque with them.

I think its a difficult one, but Shearer has serious competition from both Lineker and Greaves ; the difference is basically that all 3 were different types of striker - Shearer had more all-round power than both of them, but Lineker was a very good footballer as well as with a great instinct for a chance ; both of them together would have been an awesome prospect, esp with someone like Beardsley behind them... Greaves was basically an instinctive finisher - but what a finisher ! He is one of the few British strikers(I suppose John Charles was the other) who have made it in the Italian League as well as in England.. he didn't have Shearer's power, or Lineker's all-round ability, but he had an unbelievable eye for chances.. very unlucky to miss out on the WC of 1966, but they did OK without him.. Interestingly, if you compare Newcastle strikers who played for England in the last 30 years, Shearer beats Macdonald as an England player and was certainly possibly a better ALL ROUND striker, but Supermac would have left him(AND Lineker) dead for pace over 30 yards - he could do 100m in 10 secs...!! Was really exciting to watch in full flow, very strong for his size, and good in the air too. Only weakness was his reliance on his left foot, but boy, his power was awesome - saw a goal against Leicester in 1975(not televised unfortunately), which went in from 35 yards like a bullet - the keeper was still diving as it hit the top corner..best strike I've ever seen for power.

They were 'knighted by the Queen' because Blair decided it would a good move among the populist voters if he pushed them forward.....HM had nothing to do with it..!!

We wouldn't have been relegated or been close to it this season. There are too many hopeless sides below us. We're 11th ffs!! People don't need the to create a spectre of relegation to justify this and if they do then it shows we are collectively grasping at straws to make ourselves feel better at what we clearly see as fundamental failure of judgement. You may be right about the title of this thread - we won't know until the new manager is appointed - but you are certainly wrong about your last assumption - 'we wouldn't have been relegated...' How do you know that ? The team has failed to beat sides who a decent team would take points from in order to be certain of safety, and we now have a series of really difficult games against top sides, most of whom will almost certainly beat us ; it just takes a couple of the bottom 4 to put a decent run together, and we could be right down there with them....make no mistake - we ARE a 'hopeless side' as you put it - we didn't even make Wigan break sweat, so don't use this as a reason that we should have held on to Allardyce... Whether Redknapp will be any better is anyone's guess.... if we end up with him, I may well agree with the title of your post.....

We're supposed to know our place. Personally i think Tottenham and Newcastle generally have attitudes to be admired, both have proper ambition, and that's what sport is about. I hate these people that are happy with mediocrity. This hits nail on head - I also hate acceptance of mediocrity, disguised as 'support the lads, you fickle ba------s !' agreed to a point but there also has to be loyalty in the face of adversity There has to be a time when you decide to stop bashing your head against a brick wall..... OR;- Putting good money after bad.. OR;- Tilting at Windmills....

We're supposed to know our place. Personally i think Tottenham and Newcastle generally have attitudes to be admired, both have proper ambition, and that's what sport is about. I hate these people that are happy with mediocrity. This hits nail on head - I also hate acceptance of mediocrity, disguised as 'support the lads, you fickle ba------s !'

This is a VERY good point - he's older than Allardyce by 8 years ; I wanted a younger guy who would be here for several years.

This is all true - Ashley has every right to bring in his own man if the current incumbent was not succeeding - and there is no way that Allardyce was succeeding, unless you consider boring, losing football a success.. The only question I would have is whether Redknapp is worth the sort of money being bandied about when his record is not that of a top manager..of course, we only have the word of Sky/The Sun etc that it definitely IS Redknapp - time will tell, but things can't surely get worse than they have been, apart from the fact that the toughest part of the season is still to come...

Mowbray would be top shout if we have to go British, still prefer some one like Houllier myself. I like Mowbray, hes defiantly going to be a top flight gaffer one day, Probably better right now than most English managers out there? would I want him now? no...hope our sights are higher i.e decent foreign manager Know what you're saying, but - if we don't go for him between now & end of season, someone else will within 2 years in my opinion.. I rate the guy so highly that I wouldn't be surprised if he's already on the OT Board radar as one of the candidates to replace Ferguson - it might happen, it might not - but wouldn't we kick ourselves if it did and he's a success...!!

OK,lets all take up tiddly-winks instead - after all , we are useless fans, don't appreciate the finer points of the game(i.e. we like value-for-money and a team that wants to win),and too demanding(after all, there's only 50,000 of us, I mean what right have WE got to expect such things as a trophy every 40 years...!!). Lets all get some practice in - repeat after me 'We are only second-rate and that's the way we should be - the media says so...'

As you asked who we thought it WOULD be, rather than who each poster wanted, I cannot give a realistic answer. I have already said that my choice would be Mowbray from WBA, but there is almost NO chance of him leaving there at this stage - they are likely to win Promotion to the Prem and the club would be unlikely to agree to him going...also, he has only been there for 15 months. I also said that I didn't think Mort & Ashley would fire Allardyce until they had a proper replacement lined up or until the end of the season ; well, he HAS gone, so we can only hope that someone is lined up - clearly, they are not going to start until after this week-end, as Pearson is in charge at OT... The other option is that they HAVE someone lined-up and this person cannot come until next season - and we all know who THAT could be..if that is the case, we may well see a caretaker brought in to keep the club up - I am fairly sure we will get stuffed at OT ; Fergie will want to do his old mate a favour and we need to get out of this losing streak quickly. Interesting times ahead, but I'm not surprised that he has gone - thought it would be May, though.

Totally agree about Chimbonda, partially about Defoe - he might just leave London if the right offer came along..

Better than Martins as a footballer, more likely to score regularly, but worries over commitment and fitness - better than what we have(in view of Owen's fitness problems), but not top notch - however, would take him in our current situation.

This is probably right - the guy is streets ahead of anyone we have currently(if fit).

....'a slick passing game'...now THAT would be something to see ; remind me - is THAT what football is supposed to be about..!??

Its negative because the team is negative -also, most people can see how far behind the top 6 we have fallen and they don't see progress being rapid....

No - that ship has sailed - he's too old and we need a younger manager to BUILD A CLUB.

There has to be a balance between buying and development of youngsters - NUFC's problem. over many years, has been to concentrate solely on the former and pay lip-service to the latter. Of course, developing young players doesn't get the big headlines for managers & chairmen, so they tend to do the same as most things in the UK - take the short-term view, grab the kudos & run... The club now is currently trapped in the spiral of having to spend big money on players because they have consistently neglected youth development - this is the biggest gripe I had with the KK regime and Keegan himself both scrapped the Reserves and downgraded the Youth side ; compare this with Wenger's approach and which one reaps the biggest dividends..?? Yes, BIG money will have to be spent to keep abreast merely with clubs like Spurs & Everton, because the bad buying over the last 10 years has wasted too much money on very little real talent. The problem Mort & Ashley face is that they see some of the buys made by Allardyce and wonder if he will ALSO waste big money when and if he gets it, so that is a constant worry - the other problem faced by the club is being able to attract REALLY top talent, and not just mediocre second-raters who demand a huge wage because the top players just WON'T sign for NUFC... All this could have been so different if SBR had taken over from KK - plenty of money available, Bobby's reputation would have ensured no problem getting top players interested, and the club had a TRULY high profile at that time, with CL Football in 1997 - we are now viewed as a second-rate club with big support, probably a worse version of Germany's Schalke 04, so getting great players is almost impossible. We need to have a mixed policy of buying the truly best players we CAN achieve, and being serious about young development - and that means the BEST coaches & scouts available for that job, NOT someone like Wharton, Clarkie, Beardsley etc simply because they played for the club - professionalism badly needed at NUFC.. That way, reasonable improvement, season on season, would both keep fans happy and improve the club's position & standing until we CAN compete for top players again.

You should have seen Billy Whitehurst....!!

This really IS grasping at straws - Stoke were a set of donkey do's so what does that make the current NUFC side...? Too many on here satisfied with mediocrity - OK, a difficult game in difficult conditions - it didn't stop Arsenal at Burnley, and Burnley looked better than Stoke on the day - they actually passed the ball better than NUFC also, so what does THAT mean, if anything ?? The FA Cup is all about going to these places & getting a result, regardless of conditions - as nufc.com have said 'the replay is by no means a foregone conclusion'.... All sides who win the FA Cup have a difficult game along the way - the problem here is that NUFC are playing badly ALL the time in the Prem as well as the Cup ; its the general standard of play which is causing concern , not just this result but never mind - it'll be better in 5 years' time....

Absolutely right - that goal at SJP when he left Dabizas for dead before sticking it in, just about all in one movement, was sheer class... Admitted it was a fluke didn't he? Either way, for my money the best player the premier league has had the pleasure to host I wouldn't mind seeing a few flukes like that from players in B & W shirts....!