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You should - you might learn something....

He's had quite a few years of being 'poor at his job' whilst with previous clubs...didn't Ashley and Dracula notice that by any chance...? Some don't care about his previous managerial record and say we can only judge him on what he does here In that case, SOME would employ Ronnie Biggs to be keeper of the Crown Jewels...!

All the good players leaving..? Spending all that money ? Wait until the end of the season and then January if you think we have no 'good players leaving'.....

He's had quite a few years of being 'poor at his job' whilst with previous clubs...didn't Ashley and Dracula notice that by any chance...?

He's probably been told to keep his mouth shut and if he does, a transfer to OT may be arranged... It might even be set up already...would anyone be surprised at what this club does...? Nah, I know where you're coming from, mate. It wouldn't surprise me if Pardew deliberately has all of the team playing s*** so that we can shift them all in the summer, for massively reduced fees. Wouldn't put it past him, the horrible c***. The attempt at irony was a nice try, but in the real world, Fergie KNOWS how good Cabaye could be in his side.... Other managers won't be fooled by sub-standard performances from players in Pardew's set up....!

You missed one out ; ' Which other PL club can you see employing you in August..?'

f***ing hell Yes, that's what we'll be saying...!

He's probably been told to keep his mouth shut and if he does, a transfer to OT may be arranged... It might even be set up already...would anyone be surprised at what this club does...?

Pardew simply wants to try to head off criticism and appear to be listening to supporters - in truth, he doesn't give 2 stuffs what the fans think('they're just fans, and thick with it, we are the pros, they don't understand the game but we have to humour them because of Season Ticket renewals, blah-di-blah..' etc etc)and neither do the board as long as STs continue to be sold. Any fool can see that Supermac has him worked out...and so have many of us. He has to go.

Much depends on whether Suarez is still in their side after his biting incident at Chelsea - if he is banned by the FA, we have a chance. If not, it doesn't look good and another defeat could be on the cards. We'll see...

Macdonald's comments were spot on, regardless of what some think of him. People forget that he also did a decent job at Fulham as manager until his personal life intervened. Everything he pinpointed as being wrong with the team in the Derby last week was correct ; I've seen people writing off Tiote and as Macdonald says, he used to be excellent. Likewise, the way Cabaye is playing far too deep is on the button and as for Gutierrez, well we all knew that. As he says, top players will be disillusioned after this season and I can see at least one and maybe 2, departures unless there is a change of manager - I am also convinced that the players that leave will go on to show that they are much better than they look under Pardew's managment.

I've said before - the players go along with Pardew because he probably gives them an easy time and doesn't let them take any flack ...look at how he gave them Monday off after the Mackem debacle last week ; they should have been called in at 7 a.m. Monday for a 10 mile run etc....

In other words, Ashley is going to have to sack them both, which would be a great idea in my opinion ; Llambias as a football club CEO makes an outstanding croupier. I wish Mort had never left - he was streets better than this Dracula clone....

We need a manager who can change a game - this one can't and he's proved it time after time....

Best thing you can say about this game is that we managed to avoid defeat. WBA were also poor on the day, so a point is scant return after promising the fans a 'reaction' after last week's debacle. Usual second half fade out(which indicates lack of fitness, not being 'tired'...no wonder the players 'seem' to like him, they get an easy time), and WBA capitalized with an equalizer which was the least they deserved. Usual easy surrender of possession and unconstructive crossing and again, the game was like watching paint dry.. Next week will be very interesting......we are lucky other games went in our favour at the bottom - with the obvious exception of you-know-who..!

:thup: Absolutely spot on. We've got a generation of fans who crave "stability" more than they crave winning games. After relegation and suffering Ashley's approach to running a football club fans are now scared of what comes next. Under Freddie we would be screaming for blood, banners sit down protests the lot to get Pardew out but I feel most are terrified of who Ashley would bring in. With Freddie we knew it would be some kind of top well respected manager but Ashley it could be out of the frying pan into the fire. Even if he did go after some sort of well respected to manager I think we all know there is very little chance of them wanting to come here and work for him and Lambias. I know its not good and both Pardew and the players seem to have lost their way but I do not believe we "over performed" last season I do believe though we have better players. Stay up give him 10 games next season if it does not look any better than I will be making a banner myself but until then we have no choice but to get behind him as he is going nowhere for now. Enjoy the mediocrity then - if he stays for long, Ashley is going to have to start giving seats away cheaply like the Mackems did in order to get people in. We once had a 20,000 waiting list for STs...not now..... Incidentally, how are you so certain that Di Canio is going to be the disaster you seem to think ?? His record at Swindon is decent and he certainly doesn't have the record of being sacked that Pardew has. Southampton have had 2 managers since they fired Pardew in 2010 and each one has proved to be better than Pardew because they have progressed as a club since

If Pardew is giving the press an easy time with plenty of meaningless quotes, they will be quite happy NOT to get on his case as long as the fans don't - after all, the fans are the ones who buy the papers and if they think the press are out of line with their coverage of club and manager, they won't buy the papers... Its a chicken and egg thing - fans read only good things about Pardew so don't aggravate for his removal; press see that no chants/anti feelings being expressed about Pardew at SJP so go along with what they see as tacit approval for the manager. It is only when fans begin to want the manager out that the press will jump on the band-wagon. Reporters are lazy swines and want to get their stuff into the editorial dept and head off for the pub - although Dalglish had a better record than Pardew when he was here and the players liked him(because he kept any criticism from them), the media were on his back as soon as we faltered because he was obstructive with them and didn't trust them. The players we have now will only like Pardew if he defends them all the time and gives them an easy ride in training ; whether they actually RESPECT him I would doubt...most of them are internationals and will compare notes about managers at international get-togethers as well as comparing him to those they have had before.....

There won't BE any realistic targets until we are; a)Sure of staying up b) getting rid of Pardew or not... If b) turns out 'not', then be prepared for OUTgoing transfers...

This coupled with the fact that many fans have been brainwashed into believing we couldn't get a better manager and are beginning to accept mid-table mediocrity as the norm...

DOF..? You have to be joking. SBR was here for 5 good years and got us into the CL yet even he didn't get that. Would Reading or West Ham offered him DOF after his stints there..? He can be as likeable as you like, but what matters is his influence on the football club - nothing else.

It's not going to happen. Not yet, anyway. Does that mean you think Llambias has to be fired before Pardew goes....?

Can anyone name one of the players who has improved dramatically under Pardew's management..? I suppose some will drag up Krul, but then he gets plenty of practice, doesn't he..? Cabaye, Tiote, Sissoko and Anita have all become worse players under his - er - coaching...nobody can deny that and the number of injuries we get is incredible. It all can't be a coincidence and as for playing EL football, we had a joint Cup run in 1975-76 under Gordon Lee where we had replays piling up as well as important league games to play...AND we had a smaller squad than this, so no excuses. We got to Wembley.. If the players like him its probably because he bulls-its the fans/media into believing none of it is either his or their faults because they are 'tired'. Its pathetic.

This post blows my mind. Same with half the 'might as well sell him' posts in here tbh. Madness. Think a lot of people are just accepting reality that we are in no position to hang on to quality players after this season if they want to leave. Unless we replace the manager and let him rightly take the blame for this disaster of a season how can the club look players like Cabaye in the eye and promise it will be better next season? After he and many others have been sold a lie by Pardew about the style of football and the direction we were heading. This is the reality of being in a relegation battle while trying still reputation wise trying to build. This season has set us back and it will show in the summer when star players are looking for a club which offers winning football and chances to win medals, that chances of that happening at newcastle under Pardew is somewhere slightly north of zero. Yes - agree with this, its just telling it like it is.

Back in the 50s we had a small midfield player called Ernie Taylor playing for us and in those days, there really were some hard men about. Taylor had a great career at Newcastle and then at his later clubs, laying on one of the goals for Jackie Milburn in the 1951 Final against Blackpool. His small stature wasn't a problem for him but he did have the likes of Joe Harvey and Scoular to be his 'heavy' if the going got rough..... Gallacher was 5'5'' but could out-jump much taller players and dish out plenty of stick too although he was, by all accounts , brilliant with it. If you have talent and play in a balanced side size shouldn't really matter unless you are a CB or CF.... Anita does NOT play in a balanced or progressive side......

Are we fighting agains relegation because Vurnon Anita isn't physical enough? No, move on. Just mentioned in the Tiote thread, I think the reason Anita is struggling is there's just no movement for him when he's on the ball, which for a player from the Ajax academy must be pretty bewildering. Pardew needs to be putting a lot more focus on our off the ball movement. A LOT more. Ironically we'll get to see what this should look like at West Brom this weekend... This is the crux of the whole problem - we are a static team and there are few options for the man with the ball when we gain possession.....this results in us surrendering it again quickly bringing more pressure from the opposing team etc etc.