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he did not write that like. The PR department wrote it. The Director of Football should have his name under it but him trying to justify his own incompetence would look even more stupid.

Its not an acceptable argument, I don't know if anythings saying it is (I wasn't but I haven't read everyone's posts). Think people are just answering the claims that he's racking money in from the club and will have his initial spend back in no time. Yes that's right. I'm not defending what he's doing just trying to put the facts in play. We had a great opportunity this window and f*cked it up. There were players moving around all over the place who would have strengthened us. Whatever the reasons ultimately you have to blame the man who owns the club.

It is - but only up to 30th June 2012. Well that's all we can go on really, what is in the accounts. If he pockets all the new TV money than that's a different matter. In the accounts there is £111 million of loan that is long term - i.e due after more than one year. That has now been there for several years. As at June 2012 he had loaned the club an additional £29 million during 2011 and 2012 to buy players and meet short term cash commitments. This additional amount was short term, repayable within one year.. The accounts show he had already received £11 million back, and we can probably assume he's had the remaining £18 million back by now. He's not going to get his loan back anytime soon if that pattern continues aye but if you accept that you just have to see him maybe as being poor at running a football club as opposed to maliciously evil. I think he's beyond poor at running the club. And I do think there's a streak of evil in him, but not in the way many on here do. I think he probably likes to create a bit of tension by unsettling those who work for him to stop them becoming too comfortable. Which is probably ok in a business like SD (which he understands) but can cause havoc in a business like a football club (which he doesn't). The appointment of JFK was, I think, done to create a bit of creative tension and stop the relationship between Llambias and Pardew getting too cosy. The fact that he ended up losing a strong ally in Llambias and with JFK strolling around in a job he is, in every single way, unsuited to is testament to his mind boggling lack of foresight.

It is - but only up to 30th June 2012. Well that's all we can go on really, what is in the accounts. If he pockets all the new TV money than that's a different matter. In the accounts there is £111 million of loan that is long term - i.e due after more than one year. That has now been there for several years. As at June 2012 he had loaned the club an additional £29 million during 2011 and 2012 to buy players and meet short term cash commitments. This additional amount was short term, repayable within one year.. The accounts show he had already received £11 million back, and we can probably assume he's had the remaining £18 million back by now. He's not going to get his loan back anytime soon if that pattern continues

It is - but only up to 30th June 2012.

But during that same time he put in an additional £29 million, so he puts £29 million in then takes it out leaving the basic sum of £111 million (thats been there for several years) untouched. At that rate of progress he's never going to recover ther £111 million let alone within 5 years.

All managers are puppets to a large extent. Start mouthing off about the owners/board of directors who employ them and they will get sacked. That is the way it is.

I don't think anyone believes that really, I certainly don't. But I do believe he would want signings in, like any manager. Of course he does but equally he's more than aware of what's going on, and won't say anything for feat of upsetting big mike and losing the best job he will ever get. I think it's fair to say he's demonstrated his complete lack if spine. He's as complicit in this as Ashley and JFK Fair point really, I don't disagree with that. As we've discussed though, I don't think that Pardew not walking out in protest is really a criticism of him. Firstly, why should he not try to hold onto such a brilliant job? And secondly, any manager Ashley employed would have to do the same thing. It depends on your moral standpoint I guess. If he feels that it doesn't bother him that he's a central cog in something that is ripping the soul out of a football club and he's okay with that, that's his call. For me, I wouldn't want to be involved in that. He can still leave at this point and prob get a relatively good job I'd be absolutely raging and have no doubt Pardew is feeling just that. But... I'd still be in a privileged position I'd unlikely get a shot at again, I'd still feel I'm in a position to see the team do well, I'd still be working every day with a remarkably talented group of players (whether they'd been bought on the cheap or not). I'd tell Kinnear he's f***ing useless in private, but I'd not make the club look an actual joke by doing it in public. I wouldn't walk. Same for me. Regardless of the club missing the opportunity to strengthen he's not going to get a squad this good at any other club he goes to.

He can't win? Give your head a shake man, it's win/win for him. If he keeps the job he can leave a rich man, if he gets sacked tomorrow he leaves a rich man. He can't win. I'm just talking about what he says after this window. It will get spat on however he spins it. I don't think any of us has a clue what he gets paid now or what he'd get if he got sacked. And tbh that wasn't the point of my post.

Don't know if that was aimed at anything I posted. But its not a defence of Pardew as a manager. Just saying what the f*ck could he come out and say in this situation?.

That's bollocks man. Please explain why.

He can't win. Says he's disappointed at lack of signings = "excuses" thread material + potentially he undermines the squad we do have. Says we have a good squad, retained Cabaye etc etc = spineless Ashley hoop licker.

He's a grade A c*** I'd put that one under 3) tbh.

I can only see 3 scenarios here, the first two contain vestiges of optimism (sort of). I suspect something along the lines of the last one will be what most would believe: 1) He doesn't want to do business in the summer, prefers January as there is better value around. 2) The club tried to buy players this summer but got screwed over by the player/agent/selling club/JFK incompetence/bigger club offering more. 3) He's got no intention of putting any more money in and wants to reduce or recover his loan over time, although he will sell at any time if someone meets his valuation. Any other theories out there?

The money isn't sitting in the balance sheet earning interest, its been spent. The last set of accounts (2012) showed the club broke even and there was very little surplus money sitting anywhere earning anything, in fact from memory we had an overdraft as at 30th June 2012. Don't know what the 2013 accounts look like yet but we certainly won't have generated much net cash.

What money has he been trousering, exactly? 12m in 11/12. 18m last season. Ozzie Mandias ignored this post even though it told him exactly what he'd asked. Shock horror. Don't know about that logic though. You stick £110 million into a business and then put in a further bridging loan to enable it buy some players and meet some short term cash commitments. You then receive a repayment of the bridging loan. What have you "trousered"? There really is so much to slate Ashley about, all of it has been aired on here, but I can't see that he has "trousered" one single penny from this club.

Ah, as opposed to all the neat and quick one twos played by the rest of the team. I'm not surprised he doesn't release the ball often tbh. Considering the amount of times he creates space for someone else, and then they fluff it, or slow up, or pass it back. The movement around him is terrible and if he passes for a one two, chances are the other player won't read his movement. When he played for France briefly the one twos played with Benzema and Nasri were top class. But yeh, i guess him and Shola/Cisse should be hooking up with more one/twos. Oh wait, neither of those two players are capable of controlling the damn ball and releasing it. He should never be playing on the right of a 4-man midfield either. Why limit your only potent attacking force in this way? Correct x100. Disagree - against even half decent Premiership sides the middle of the pitch is not where he will find the space that he needs to cause maximum damage. I bolded the bit i agreed with. And in many posts i have said Hatem, should be in a front 3 (right side) in a 4-3-3. On the previous page in fact, only about 8 posts or so ago. Didn't even mention being in the middle and neither did the post i quoted. Not sure where you got that from tbh Fair enough my bad call it seems. I assumed this was in support of HBA in a number 10 role, and against decent opposition I don't think we'll see the the best of him (yet). I like to see him in space fwiw. HBA did well in the 4-3-3 role the season before last so with the right players in the rest of that formation I take your point.

Ah, as opposed to all the neat and quick one twos played by the rest of the team. I'm not surprised he doesn't release the ball often tbh. Considering the amount of times he creates space for someone else, and then they fluff it, or slow up, or pass it back. The movement around him is terrible and if he passes for a one two, chances are the other player won't read his movement. When he played for France briefly the one twos played with Benzema and Nasri were top class. But yeh, i guess him and Shola/Cisse should be hooking up with more one/twos. Oh wait, neither of those two players are capable of controlling the damn ball and releasing it. He should never be playing on the right of a 4-man midfield either. Why limit your only potent attacking force in this way? Correct x100. Disagree - against even half decent Premiership sides the middle of the pitch is not where he will find the space that he needs to cause maximum damage.

My last hope for this season is sucked out of my body like a hoary old vampire draining the blood of a young virgin.

God he's a depressing t***. The fact he names them is ludicrous That's my point, just say we aren't interesting in selling anyone. If he gets asked what if a bid comes in. Just say "it wouldn't be welcome". I hate him. Literally all he has to say. We don't want to sell anyone. Easy as that. The blokes a f***ing moron He's not a moron, he's doing what he's paid to do. I'm sure it's all in his job description. Even if it's not, what's he going to do? Say "f*** you Mike I'll tell it like it is, and you can shove your job up your arse"? He was a jobless t*** when we hired him and he'll be a jobless t*** when he leaves. Not really any surprise he'll toe the line all things considered. He'll get a job soon enough if he leaves us. Maybe a lower tier Prem side or upper Championship. He will have way more experience and success on his cv than most of the other possibles who will be in the market. Your choice of future job options for Pards says it all really. That's about how highly he's rated in the real world. Is it any surprise he'll support his bosses position when push comes to shove? This is the best job he's ever going to get. I think all we can do is hope (or at least I do) that he does what David Moyes did at Everton and recovers from a very poor second full season. The Moyes comparison has been discussed on here before but if Everton had sacked Moyes in 2004, and they must have considered it given the apparent turmoil at the club at that time, his cv would have been less impressive than Pardew's is now. Completely wrong like, Moyes had been manager at Preston kept them up, then got them promoted. Then he got the Everton job. Pardew, Reading did ok, West Ham did ok then crap, sacked. Charlton exact same, Southampton did ok, sacked for being unpopular with the chairman. Newcastle did well, now doing crap. Moyes's cv wasn't less impressive imo. Pardew has more Premiership experience than Moyes had at that time, he also took West Ham to an FA Cup Final (was within a few seconds of winning it) and us to the last 8 of the Europa League.

God he's a depressing t***. The fact he names them is ludicrous That's my point, just say we aren't interesting in selling anyone. If he gets asked what if a bid comes in. Just say "it wouldn't be welcome". I hate him. Literally all he has to say. We don't want to sell anyone. Easy as that. The blokes a f***ing moron He's not a moron, he's doing what he's paid to do. I'm sure it's all in his job description. Even if it's not, what's he going to do? Say "f*** you Mike I'll tell it like it is, and you can shove your job up your arse"? He was a jobless t*** when we hired him and he'll be a jobless t*** when he leaves. Not really any surprise he'll toe the line all things considered. He'll get a job soon enough if he leaves us. Maybe a lower tier Prem side or upper Championship. He will have way more experience and success on his cv than most of the other possibles who will be in the market. Your choice of future job options for Pards says it all really. That's about how highly he's rated in the real world. Is it any surprise he'll support his bosses position when push comes to shove? This is the best job he's ever going to get. I think all we can do is hope (or at least I do) that he does what David Moyes did at Everton and recovers from a very poor second full season. The Moyes comparison has been discussed on here before but if Everton had sacked Moyes in 2004, and they must have considered it given the apparent turmoil at the club, his cv at that time would have been less impressive than Pardew's is now.

God he's a depressing t***. The fact he names them is ludicrous That's my point, just say we aren't interesting in selling anyone. If he gets asked what if a bid comes in. Just say "it wouldn't be welcome". I hate him. Literally all he has to say. We don't want to sell anyone. Easy as that. The blokes a f***ing moron He's not a moron, he's doing what he's paid to do. I'm sure it's all in his job description. Even if it's not, what's he going to do? Say "f*** you Mike I'll tell it like it is, and you can shove your job up your arse"? He was a jobless t*** when we hired him and he'll be a jobless t*** when he leaves. Not really any surprise he'll toe the line all things considered. He'll get a job soon enough if he leaves us. Maybe a lower tier Prem side or upper Championship. He will have way more experience and success on his cv than most of the other possibles who will be in the market.

i think this needs a thread in itself, this is such a massive feature of how people view football it boggles my mind....i can see pardew has gone, there's no coming back for him it's just a matter of time yet it's such a paradox; i want X to succeed because he's our manager despite the fact that he's clearly incapable and at best will only ever succeed in reintroducing 1980's football that may have short term success no idea idea what i'm saying now, suppose i'm suggesting there's a basic ignorance in football fans that they'd rather ignore what's in front of their face for a couple of decent saturday's out Thanks for your response. Believe me I am a fan who can see "what's in front of their face" and I've seen the crap that we played at times last season and have the fears that if we don't sort it out there could be more where that came from. And as far as the club is concerned there is also the JFK appointment to bring into play......But yet I still see signs that we can play and I saw signs last season as well, and some of those signs were in games where we got no points. So, in summary, despite my "basic ignorance", I hope you are wrong.

How would him saying "we don't want to sell anybody" make him out to be a liar if we actually sold somebody? I don't want to sell my house but I will if I get offered daft money and that wouldn't make me a liar. Mick, surely you have seen how it works. He says "we don't want to sell anybody" and then we do sell someone. For some he's automatically a liar because he knew all along that we were trying to ship a player or players out and he's part of the plot. He has said about Cabaye that if someone wants a world class player they will need to come up with world class money. You have a world class house which you will sell for world class money it seems. If you are hated there will always be reasons to hate.