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"people from Newcastle, not some cave in afghanistan"? sounds a bit of a dodgy quote to me! Why would Ashley tell a local paper in the London area anything? If he was going to talk to a local paper it would be the "Newcastle Evening Chronicle" not the jellied-eeels "London Evening Standard" Grief!!! it was part of a wider thing to do with sports worlds results. on that note i understand his holding is up to 72% But, why would he speak to a L O C A L evening rag in London?? His company is based in London. He lives in London. Just a thought. Plus who in their right mind would want to talk to Oliver I agree about Oliver!! BUT, if he wants to talk to a LOCAL paper (about Newcastle United) he would not talk to a local from way down there. He would talk to the nationals, or to a local here in Newcastle. Some people (who quote from it) do not realise that the Jellied Eeels Standard, is a LOCAL RAG (because it is based down there!!) . . . .

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"people from Newcastle, not some cave in afghanistan"? sounds a bit of a dodgy quote to me! Why would Ashley tell a local paper in the London area anything? If he was going to talk to a local paper it would be the "Newcastle Evening Chronicle" not the jellied-eeels "London Evening Standard" Grief!!! it was part of a wider thing to do with sports worlds results. on that note i understand his holding is up to 72% But, why would he speak to a L O C A L evening rag in London??

dont fully understand your post. are you saying no-one wants to sign for us?, i dont agree with that, we have already signed onebody, and i expect at least2/3 more before end of window. No one wanting to sign for us (obviously) is 'part' of my post! You say someone has signed for us - yes I know. BUT - who is he - and did we beat Manchester Utd and Real Madrid to his signature? Who is he??? But, my main point is the fact that "Taylor targets pre-planned failure" is deemed an appropriate title for a thread on here!!!

"people from Newcastle, not some cave in afghanistan"? sounds a bit of a dodgy quote to me! Why would Ashley tell a local paper in the London area anything? If he was going to talk to a local paper it would be the "Newcastle Evening Chronicle" not the jellied-eeels "London Evening Standard" Grief!!!

"Taylor targets pre-planned failure" So many people on here agree with him. I am just a dinasaur. (KKs end-of-season outburst has convinced many of our "Rational/Realistic" (sensible) supprters that "nothingness" is the best we can EVER hope for.) Why do you think think that "no-one" wants to sign for us now? Difficult question. C'mon - get stuck in - attack me (go on).

says the man with a picture of smith as his avatar owen has proved himself as a player whenever he's been fit, but therein lies the main problem. i agree wages of a 120 are outrageous, but we'll struggle to get anyone in who has even half his talent Its obvious that judging from your thick skull you have no idea that Michael Owen is made of glass. I want Michael Owen out due to many reasons, including the fact that he is bigger than the club. /quote] How awful it must be to actually think and believe that.

Agreed - though its not even a question of 'staying clear' - it is just not an option, because he left us for a particular reason (nothing to do with football) and that has seemingly not changed.

His family reasons were genuine. Dyers 'family reasons' seemed manufactured, to me. Lets not mix up the two very different people and situations.

He only left for one reason. So, has his family situation changed then? If not, why are we even talking about this?

Happy Days - watching them win a major trophy, and the European Fairs Cup was far stronger then, than the UEFA Cup is now - with only one team going into the European Cup from the league, rather than four. Then, at the Airport, watching them carrying the trophy through and back into the City Centre, to SJP. NEVER thought that would be the last time we would win a trophy for 39 years!!!

I think that some kind of 'annual event' is a great idea, it gets away from the normal "one-off" event that most things are. It perhaps would not work if it was just us playing them each year though. Perhaps it could be something like . . . Year ONE - Them v us (first teams) at Ipswich. Year TWO - Us v Them (first teams) at SJP Year THREE - Us v Them (Home AND Away) - YOUTH Teams. Year FOUR - A 'Four-team Mini TOURNAMENT' (Youth Teams from us and Ipswich, plus local rivals Norwich and Sunderland) at SJP. Year FIVE - Same as above, but at Ipswich. THEREAFTER - Alternating 4-team Youth Tournaments, between the venues. Could evolve into a permanent tradition, and if Sir Bobby's charity ceases (for any reason) it could be played for another similar-type of charity. An excellent original idea anyway Texasmag - I have just tried to 'flesh it out' a bit, to keep it going!

Snidy little comment, that. Not constructive or helpful. Diddums. I wouldn't have said it if you hadn't made the exact same point over and over again. We get it man. Repeating it over and over again isn't particularly constructive or helpful either. Sorry if I've spoilt your assault on the moral highground btw. No problem.

I apologise, I have 'hijacked' the original purpose of this thread. I did it for legitimate heart-felt reasons though. I will leave it now and it can go back to the Arshavin issue - a VERY good player, hope we can get him! Once again, sorry. (oops - repeating myself!!).

I assume you're talking to me, Dave. No, there has been no ten day delay, but it is the first time I have had the actually time to write it down on here, since it happened. I should have started a "Mediocrity for Ever" (Discuss) thread - but instead I responded on this one. Dave - as you can see from ALL my earlier contributions over time on here - I really have always known what a club we were (are) and where we fit in. But, these comments from KK are so much more important than many seem able to (or prepared to) realise. Again - excuse the dramatic words - but he has done untold damage. Fuckin hell, you're gettin on me tits, mate...can people get banned for repeating the same s**** in every second sentence?!? I am not repeating for repeatings sake. I have tried to genuinly respond (and specifically) to everyones elses responses to me. I would welcome hearing from you as to what evidence you have that would contradict what I have said (what I said not 'repeated' in here!!!). Thanks.

Snidy little comment, that. Not constructive or helpful.

I assume you're talking to me, Dave. No, there has been no ten day delay, but it is the first time I have had the actually time to write it down on here, since it happened. I should have started a "Mediocrity for Ever" (Discuss) thread - but instead I responded on this one. Dave - as you can see from ALL my earlier contributions over time on here - I really have always known what a club we were (are) and where we fit in. But, these comments from KK are so much more important than many seem able to (or prepared to) realise. Again - excuse the dramatic words - but he has done untold damage.

Couple of comments by Keegan and it does fluctuate as easily as that, it seems. Yes, as I have (now) said a few times in this thread - in the past I would NEVER have agreed with the "he won't come here" crowd. The number of blinkered inferiority complexes on here, used to really get me down. Cant they see that we are a big club????? NOW - we have been (please excuse the melodramatic language) 'stabbed in the back'. Things have changed somewhat, because a person - WITH INFLUENCE - who is supposed to (because he always has) "think and speak the same way as me" has specifically used his influence to say exactly the opposite. When he speaks (KK) like this - it has an impact. OK - it MAY (may, may, may) not be permanent, but at the moment it will have the same impact as if it was permanent - as if it was (as the 'inferiority complex' types have always said) a permanent FACT. What impact? Comments after a game forgotten within a couple of weeks type impact or get the U.N. on the blower impact? As will be seen, sadly somewhat closer to the latter. I am trying to 'laugh' too. Not quite managed it yet.

Couple of comments by Keegan and it does fluctuate as easily as that, it seems. Yes, as I have (now) said a few times in this thread - in the past I would NEVER have agreed with the "he won't come here" crowd. The number of blinkered inferiority complexes on here, used to really get me down. Cant they see that we are a big club????? NOW - we have been (please excuse the melodramatic language) 'stabbed in the back'. Things have changed somewhat, because a person - WITH INFLUENCE - who is supposed to (because he always has) "think and speak the same way as me" has specifically used his influence to say exactly the opposite. When he speaks (KK) like this - it has an impact. OK - it MAY (may, may, may) not be permanent, but at the moment it will have the same impact as if it was permanent - as if it was (as the 'inferiority complex' types have always said) a permanent FACT. Go and have a lie down in a dark room mate. I do need one. But, when I come out all is likely to still be 'exactly' the same!! This is stealth wummery at its best. Hats off to you Sir!! Thankyou . . . !

Couple of comments by Keegan and it does fluctuate as easily as that, it seems. Yes, as I have (now) said a few times in this thread - in the past I would NEVER have agreed with the "he won't come here" crowd. The number of blinkered inferiority complexes on here, used to really get me down. Cant they see that we are a big club????? NOW - we have been (please excuse the melodramatic language) 'stabbed in the back'. Things have changed somewhat, because a person - WITH INFLUENCE - who is supposed to (because he always has) "think and speak the same way as me" has specifically used his influence to say exactly the opposite. When he speaks (KK) like this - it has an impact. OK - it MAY (may, may, may) not be permanent, but at the moment it will have the same impact as if it was permanent - as if it was (as the 'inferiority complex' types have always said) a permanent FACT. What impact? Comments after a game forgotten within a couple of weeks type impact or get the U.N. on the blower impact? As will be seen, sadly somewhat closer to the latter.

Couple of comments by Keegan and it does fluctuate as easily as that, it seems. Yes, as I have (now) said a few times in this thread - in the past I would NEVER have agreed with the "he won't come here" crowd. The number of blinkered inferiority complexes on here, used to really get me down. Cant they see that we are a big club????? NOW - we have been (please excuse the melodramatic language) 'stabbed in the back'. Things have changed somewhat, because a person - WITH INFLUENCE - who is supposed to (because he always has) "think and speak the same way as me" has specifically used his influence to say exactly the opposite. When he speaks (KK) like this - it has an impact. OK - it MAY (may, may, may) not be permanent, but at the moment it will have the same impact as if it was permanent - as if it was (as the 'inferiority complex' types have always said) a permanent FACT. Go and have a lie down in a dark room mate. I do need one. But, when I come out all is likely to still be 'exactly' the same!!

Takes one to know one I'll take that comment seriously and try to respond. I am a life-long supporter of this football club, I am a realist and I am (at the same time) a visionary about things that are important to me, like NUFC, and I am not particularly stupid. (Neither am I 'mental' - as you mean it). The fact is - KK has made things SO much more difficult, and it is (personally) saddening to realise that someone in his position actually DOES think like this. OK, there are always the 'inferiority complex' supporters around - but not since the SJH takeover has someone in power at the club said what KK has just said. You have to have ambition to succeed. KK seems to now have lost this. Totally. By trying to prove his point? Sorry??

Couple of comments by Keegan and it does fluctuate as easily as that, it seems. Yes, as I have (now) said a few times in this thread - in the past I would NEVER have agreed with the "he won't come here" crowd. The number of blinkered inferiority complexes on here, used to really get me down. Cant they see that we are a big club????? NOW - we have been (please excuse the melodramatic language) 'stabbed in the back'. Things have changed somewhat, because a person - WITH INFLUENCE - who is supposed to (because he always has) "think and speak the same way as me" has specifically used his influence to say exactly the opposite. When he speaks (KK) like this - it has an impact. OK - it MAY (may, may, may) not be permanent, but at the moment it will have the same impact as if it was permanent - as if it was (as the 'inferiority complex' types have always said) a permanent FACT.

Takes one to know one I'll take that comment seriously and try to respond. I am a life-long supporter of this football club, I am a realist and I am (at the same time) a visionary about things that are important to me, like NUFC, and I am not particularly stupid. (Neither am I 'mental' - as you mean it). The fact is - KK has made things SO much more difficult, and it is (personally) saddening to realise that someone in his position actually DOES think like this. OK, there are always the 'inferiority complex' supporters around - but not since the SJH takeover has someone in power at the club said what KK has just said. You have to have ambition to succeed. KK seems to now have lost this. Totally.

I am calm. But I am also very disappointed by this. KK has made a great impact with his "we are 2nd tier only" speech. He has caused a great deal of (long-lasting, if hopefully not permanent) damage to our club. Not really. He was just saying what we all were thinking. We have slipped off the pace. Souness and Sam have set us back even further, sure we were good 10 years ago, but players want to come for the here and now, and with no europe I can see many disappointed toon fans. We need to be realistic, we need to build this year, get our arses back where we belong, then we can look at higher reputation players. Can't disagree with most of that. We had slipped off the pace, and it was becoming tricky to pick it back up again. The most recent years since we were last in the top four and last qualified for the CL Group stages, have caused us a lot of harm. But, we were always 'one of the few' who were always likely to bounce back (because of all the natural advantages we have, that I listed earlier). Now, KK made it "sound like" were were no longer "temporarily out of the current top four places" we were "rightfully out of the top four places and aiming for our 'rightful' position of 5th only . . . " That is the message he clearly sent around the football world, and with the implicit agreement (NON-disagreement) of the London press - the football world will be agreeing with him.