manorpark

There is clear "excitement" shining out from many of the recent posts on this thread. It is fantastic to read them. People actually talking about the subject of this forum . . . FOOTBALL. Oh, and of course Newcastle United Football Club in particular. Very soon, very, very soon, all that pent up anticipated excitement will become reality. Hold on tight everyone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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THANK-YOU !!!

Thankyou for the support mate, I was starting to feel that I had been wrong to post what I did, yet all I was saying was exactly how I felt about this frustrating situation, as our critics piled in (one after the other) against us. I was (and am) very worried about the way things have gone over this last week . . and I thought others would be too. Your post is much appreciated.

I now realise that we (NUFC) have a lot of enemies. Enemies who will do / say anything to stop us. Enemies who have suddenly discovered a 'conscience' so that they can blame us for something we haven't done. Enemies who say that they (most certainly) have always had this specific conscience. Enemies who lie. Enemies who say they are not telling lies. Enemies who exaggerate things and make up convenient 'links'. Enemies who say they do not exaggerate things and do not make up convenient links. Enemies whose inane, bigoted, collective hatred towards us, makes ME (I am a real person with a REAL conscience) no longer care about the rights and wrongs I have all my life held dearly . . I now just want to BEAT these fanatics with every bone in my body. I want to just beat them, no matter what, and WE WILL BEAT THEM.

Again, as in so much from this seeming endless supply of bigoted idiots, the only appropriate word to describe them remains as . . FEEBLE !!!

You want to try the at what cost thread. Your stereotypical Football supporters have changed quite a bit. Unless it’s just on here? It IS just on here! Nowhere else is influenced by some of the weird comments that appear on that thread. Reading that thread convinces you that all the evils in the world have been (will be) caused by our Takeover. It is feeble, to put it mildly. It's funny you say that because most of the people I know in real life, including a woman I work with who's been going to matches since the mid '80s, are dead against the takeover or just as conflicted about it all. I don't think it's fair to judge the support overall because it's just as it's been for the entire time I've been supporting the club - split. You want to try the at what cost thread. Your stereotypical Football supporters have changed quite a bit. Unless it’s just on here? It IS just on here! Nowhere else is influenced by some of the weird comments that appear on that thread. Reading that thread convinces you that all the evils in the world have been (will be) caused by our Takeover. It is feeble, to put it mildly. It's funny you say that because most of the people I know in real life, including a woman I work with who's been going to matches since the mid '80s, are dead against the takeover or just as conflicted about it all. I don't think it's fair to judge the support overall because it's just as it's been for the entire time I've been supporting the club - split. I always find when I talk to people with views like yours (in real life) that NOTHING that I or anyone else says to them ever sinks in, but the same type of self-assured words come back at me, time and time and time again. I should not have responded, as I knew what I would get back. This is the end of our conversation.

You want to try the at what cost thread. Your stereotypical Football supporters have changed quite a bit. Unless it’s just on here? It IS just on here! Nowhere else is influenced by some of the weird comments that appear on that thread. Reading that thread convinces you that all the evils in the world have been (will be) caused by our Takeover. It is feeble, to put it mildly.

They own the plot at the bottom of Pilgrim St where the old Bank of England building was and much of the derelict land around it. Not sure if they own all the way up to the container park. The own The Stack. It is temporary until they finalise plans for the site. The Reubens own a very large area of the City Centre. That area is known as the "East Pilgrim Street (EPS) Development Area" and covers all of the City Centre from Carliol House down to 55 Degrees North, and from Pilgrim Street eastwards to the Central Motorway East (CME). This is the area shown here, within the red line . . . Nice. It could do with being regenerated. Everything east of Monument is a bit meh imo Yes, they had acquired most of this area by 2007, when the Economic Crisis started (the "Credit Crunch" as it was initially called) and this slowed things down to a dead stop, for quite a few years, hence the appearance of decline and decay in that particular area of the City Centre. This year a number of significant developments within EPS have been approved, and you would have seen a LOT of new construction and re-furbishment of some existing quality buildings happening this year. What will actually happen this year, due to the disruption to the construction industry caused by the COVID-19 Pandemic, remains to be seen.

They own the plot at the bottom of Pilgrim St where the old Bank of England building was and much of the derelict land around it. Not sure if they own all the way up to the container park. The own The Stack. It is temporary until they finalise plans for the site. The Reubens own a very large area of the City Centre. That area is known as the "East Pilgrim Street (EPS) Development Area" and covers all of the City Centre from Carliol House down to 55 Degrees North, and from Pilgrim Street eastwards to the Central Motorway East (CME). This is the area shown here, within the red line . . .

I thought it was 200 million including infrastructure improvements. £200m is the figure they gave to the Premier League, as part of the "fit and proper test" to get their purchase of the club approved. Lets put it this way . . . "they are very, very, unlikely to be planning to restrict themselves to that arbitrary figure". It was just given because they needed to give a figure, it is meaningless !!!

None of them will have the slightest clue who he is. Except maybe Mandy, if she was writing letters to Stifler, I suppose it's possible she might swap convivial texts with Wraith. NO CHANCE . . Mandy is a "one Stiffler" gal !!

Importantly - £200M is the figure we hear they have put into their submission to the Premier League. I don't think that figure means anything at all, other than it is "what they put in the necessary documentation". I mean, they are not going to TELL the Premier League that they are going to spend over the FFP limits . . are they !!!

Not sure what you mean by "not sold" ?? Everything is signed, sealed and delivered by both sides of the deal, and is legally binding, as legal experts have confirmed. It is fully and completely SOLD - All we are waiting on is the Premier Leagues approval of the (already) new owners !!!

That is exactly what the 1997 plans were . . . Newcastle United FC : New Stadium Plans. No. 1 - The 1997 Proposals . . . There have been many proposals over the years (and over the centuries!) for Newcastle United Football Club to either build a new stadium at St James' Park, or to build a new stadium elsewhere. These various proposals are clearly ideal "Newcastle as it might have been" articles, for inclusion on this thread. Just to be different, this time I thought I would start with the most recent set of unrealised plans, and work my way backwards. So, here is No. 1 . . . the 1997 proposals to build a new stadium a few hundred yards away from St James' Park, on "Castle Leazes Moor". To get a CLEAR idea of where this stadium was to be built. At the top of this aerial photo, Castle Leazes Moor and St James' Park, can both be seen . . http://www.freemenofnewcastle.com/images/MoorsNorthWestLarge.jpg Here are the clubs plans (seen from above) for the new stadium on Castle Leazes Moor on the left, with the (St James' Park cut-in-half) St James' Centre, shown on the right . . http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundPlan.jpg A view of the proposed new stadium, at the 'South East' corner, nearest to Leazes Park lake . . http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-6.jpg Another view of the proposed 'Castle Leazes Moor' stadium . . http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-5.jpg This sketch shows the proposed 'Leazes Way' walkway through the enlarged Leazes Park, that would have lead from the new "St James Centre" (proposed indoor stadium on site of St James Park) to the new stadium on Castle Leazes Moor . . http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-2.jpg Another sketch of the proposed stadium, from Leazes park . . http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-1.jpg The "ST JAMES' CENTRE" . . . was an important part of the overall plan. This was to be an indoor stadium on the site of the current St James' Park. The South Stand and South West corner would remain as they were, the East and Milburn stands would be demolished, and the Sir John Hall stand and corners would be dismantled and re-erected closer to the remaining 'South Stand', to form the indoor stadium . . as shown, with the building over Strawberry Place linking to the 'new build' over St James' Park Metro Station . . http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-4.jpg One of the envisaged advantages of the 'reduced size' St James' Park/Centre, to the immediate area, would be the extended Leazes Park, as shown here where it is overlooked by Leazes Terrace, at the point where the demolished 'East Stand' used to be . . http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-3.jpg Now, the above plans and proposals, in the clubs own words at the time, from their "Newcastle United Football Club VISION STATEMENT" . . . http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/7thMarch2010.jpg http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION.jpg http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION001.jpg http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION002.jpg http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION003.jpg

Very much so, Newcastle as a City has a very proud record of fighting against racism, as is revealed in Brian Ward’s 2017 book "Martin Luther King in Newcastle upon Tyne" about the African American Freedom Struggle and Race Relations in the North East of England. This great book formed the foundation of Newcastle’s Freedom City 2017 celebrations – a city-wide event marking the 50th anniversary of Dr King’s visit and the region’s extensive connections with the African American freedom struggle. http://freedomcity2017.com/ https://www.northumbria.ac.uk/about-us/news-events/news/martin-luther-king-newcastle-visit-remembered-on-anniversary-of-his-birth/

Should have called him out on it, two train stations. How many rail stations are there in Newcastle? 21 stations, as far as I can work out, 19 of which are Metro Stations.

'Every penny generated' "I can not and will not"

That's why the Daily Star is still in circulation. True, so true.

With luck, we will soon have Rafa's know-how AND some decent money to spend and ambition (at the top of the club) to achieve success.

Commercial Union House (CU House) which extends over Pilgrim Street next to where the Odeon was, was indeed due to be removed this year. I think that is the building you mean, Stifleaay? However, one of the many COVID-19 delays might mean this may not happen until next year, or even later. The Pearl Assurance Building, while it is within the EPS area, is not going to be touched at all, there are no plans involving it.

Totally, I can see why they would want in, not why the 80% stakeholders would want them in. I’m genuinely more happy that they’re involved tbh. East Pilgrim Street is in need of being totally revamped - and I fucking hate Stack. Not got a problem with that but that doesn't explain why the majority owner (getting ahead of myself) would let them in. Was there not discussions between Staveley and the Reubens first? Perhaps they then brought in PIF who wanted more control/say/willing to put more money in? Hmm. It’s fun for a bit, I can’t get my head around people who queue to get in mind, when there’s literally hundreds of other drinking holes! Yeah but the money calls the shots and I just wondered why the money would keep the Ruebens in there.......and I wouldn't queue up for Stack as much as I like it, particularly in winter. The Reubens "EPS" plans have barely started yet, Stack is a temporary infil, but there is at least ten years of re-development work to happen in the EPS area of the City Centre. I reckon that will just be "for starters", with the Reubens and Saudis getting actively involved in the City Centre and around the rest of Newcastle.

The Reuben Brothers have many interests in Newcastle, they own a very large part of the City Centre (the "East Pilgrim Street" development area) and I think they wish to expand this further, so owning a stake in the football club of that City (which happens to also one of the UKs most famous clubs) is a no-brainer really. It will be great to have them owning part of the club.

I posted earlier in this thread. The place the ground was moving to in 1997 was "Castle Leazes", an area of the Town Moor, not Leazes Park. https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=36257.msg7165509#msg7165509

Rafa became part of this club's 'fabric' when he was here, you could see that and hear that in everything he did and said. To my mind he has NEVER actually left. He has only gone away on a sabbatical, while the things that should have been sorted out while he was here . . get sorted out, as they are about to be. "Normal service will be resumed" . . .