manorpark

Walker is in Newcastle.

So was I. I expected it to be way less than (even) 10,000 - that would've shown em.

Let's hope he really is a toon fan because if he is, what's an extra hundred million or so to a fella with his cash? My gut feeling is still (as I said in the original Ambani thread) that it will be Ambani who buys us.

I'm not arsed about challenging Man City if i'm honest, I just want a bit of pride back in my club. Staying up this season and aiming to keep as many of our best players as we can is our current objective. Then we can see about this 75m. There are lots of people saying things like that these days. Genuine, simple, ambition, is a thing of the past. It simply never occurs to most of our 'brow-beaten' fans these days. Survival, is about the 'highest' ambition (if you could call it that) that most people seem to have these days, and who can blame them after years of failure and the recent turmoil. yep. i think finally the expectations levels have dropped. All i want is a bit of hope. If new owners bring that, then great. Lets start all over again... again. You know, that is about the BEST thing I have seen on here for ages. I often get tied up in what "we should have achieved since 1969, since 1992, since 1996, etc, etc, etc. It's ALL GONE !!!! Lets start again, forget the past non-achievements, lets get new owners with a bit (well, a LOT if possible) of dosh . . and a lot of ("fan-like") enthusiasm, allied to a bit of intelligent business acumen . . . LETS JUST START AGAIN (AGAIN!). Now . . . . . I just need to convince myself . . . anyone know where I can get an 'amnesia' drug? Dammit!

I'm not arsed about challenging Man City if i'm honest, I just want a bit of pride back in my club. Staying up this season and aiming to keep as many of our best players as we can is our current objective. Then we can see about this 75m. There are lots of people saying things like that these days. Genuine (simple) ambition . . . is a thing of the past. It simply never occurs to most of our 'brow-beaten' fans these days. Survival, is about the 'highest' ambition (if you could call it that) that most people seem to have these days, and who can blame them after years of failure, 'flat' transfer windows, and then the recent turmoil.

- It's been their policy since Llambias took over, hence why I think he's to blame. - Surely you're basing your view that they're doing "nothing about anything" solely on the lack of information coming from the club, thus proving my point? Unless of course you've got access to the minutes of the board meetings that you'd like to tell us about? I am basing it solely on my understanding of Human Nature. Ashley's.

This, really. Too many people are calling for Wise's head, and the only thing they can say when asked why is something like "I hate him", or "He's the cause of all the problems" or "What's he done since he was appointed?" without actually giving a single shred of evidence that the guy's done anything wrong. Don't misunderstand me, as a player I hated him. As a person, he may well be a c***. And maybe, just maybe he IS to blame for everything that's happened but at the same time there's absolutely no evidence of this whatsoever. It's all just mindless speculation. The main problem in all this for me is the complete silence from the club. If people want to protest, then the only thing that they should be protesting about is the lack of any information coming from inside NUFC. The buck stops for that with either Ashley or Llambias, and since things were much better under Mort then I'd think that it's Llambias who has shut up shop in that respect. There is no communication from the club, because that is their 'policy' (has been for quite a while now) AND . . . there is nothing to say anyway, as they are doing nothing about anything.

He is in meltdown, and (at the same time) he is full of HATE towards us for what he feels we did to him. He will get his revenge on us, he knows exactly how to do that.

BUT - he doesn't want (or intend) to sell - unless a 'silly' offer comes in. He is hell-bent on revenge against us . . . and he knows EXACTLY how to do that. Just watch. yeah, us getting relegated and looking a farce like this is really in his interests, as the value of the club will soar that way. oh wait.... Aye, i agree that us getting relegated is surely not in his best intrests. But by asking for silly money that he's never going to get, not much chance of getting a decent manager in under the present circumstances, and not strengthening the already thin squad when he could doesn't look like a recipe for success either though. So i can see where a lot of people are coming from. Ashley is not trying very hard to sell, or to appoint a new manager, nor will he buy good quality players in the next window. He is not doing anything at all.

BUT - he doesn't want (or intend) to sell - unless a 'silly' offer comes in. He is hell-bent on revenge against us . . . and he knows EXACTLY how to do that. Just watch. yeah, us getting relegated and looking a farce like this is really in his interests, as the value of the club will soar that way. oh wait.... I'm not sure how many times I have to say this, but here goes again. The club is an asset that is worth a certain amount of money. There will be almost no difference at all in its sale-value between what it would have been if we had 'worked hard and well' with our fairly poor team (and small squad) and had achieved upper-mid table status this season, compared to (what IS going to happen) if Ashley "does nothing" and lets us rot into a very low-mid table position. He is going to let us rot, because it makes no difference to him - but he KNOWS it does to us. He will try (at least) to ensure that we do not get relegated, for financial reasons only ('his' financial reasons). We are going to be SWAMPED with inactivity . . .

BUT - he doesn't want (or intend) to sell - unless a 'silly' offer comes in. He is hell-bent on revenge against us . . . and he knows EXACTLY how to do that. Just watch.

In suggesting this laudible idea, you are making the same assumption that a lot of people are unable to stop themselves doing - that the current ownership might try something like this, because they ARE TRYING to improve things. They are not. They intend to pretend to be doing that, while letting us and the club (but principally us) ROT - in revenge for what they feel we have done to them. They are NOT trying to put things right, or to sell (in any great hurry) or anything like that at all. Wait and see.

So if he is at fault which to be honest i can agree with ( he shouldnt of employed keegan in the first place, naiveity, etc,etc), does that mean that it is still right to try and force him out after one mistake - albeit a massive one, which wouldnt of affected the club massively had he follwed up with a good appointment which was perfectly viable? the protests just seemed so disproportionate to the issue in the grand scheme of things. Keegan is replaceable there are better managers out there and there are managers out there who have achieved more than him who would of been interested in the job. and which 'one' was that? humour me..... I appreciate you want me to do your work for you . . .

As I said, he isn't going to write off a penny. Not a penny. Letting us rot (wasting our season) will not lose him a penny. What makes you think it would? It will like, Owen leaving will drop the value of the club by 10-15 million on its own. Then what happens if we get relegated, not that I think for a second we would, but lets say we're left managerless all season and the injuries stay bad, its possible and would quarter the price of the club, or worse. The club is an asset that has a certain value. That value will not be affected by (as I say) letting us rot for a season or two or three. I agree, if we were relegated it would, but I am sure that they will do enough (just enough) to ensure that does not happen.

So if he is at fault which to be honest i can agree with ( he shouldnt of employed keegan in the first place, naiveity, etc,etc), does that mean that it is still right to try and force him out after one mistake - albeit a massive one, which wouldnt of affected the club massively had he follwed up with a good appointment which was perfectly viable? the protests just seemed so disproportionate to the issue in the grand scheme of things. Keegan is replaceable there are better managers out there and there are managers out there who have achieved more than him who would of been interested in the job. and which 'one' was that?

The ultimate responsibility should always lie with those at the top. After all, it's their job. However, im a tad curious about something. What happened to "mistakes happen" and "forgive and forget"? Ashley made a mistake and it resulted in someone as stubborn as they are important to the club in walking out. A mistake made by an owner new to the game itself, an owner with good intentions for the club, with money ready to subsidise the club, with a good policy and plan for the long term running of the club, unlike those before him who had amassed serious debts and an awful playing squad contrary to their dillusional statements. So what do our fans do? We run around screaming for his head. Some of the above appears to involve the use of large rose-coloured spectacles.

Agreed!! The W Ham situation has 'similarities' to ours, but it is not the same. Also (as said above) who gives a (flying) s*** about them.

The responsibility for what happened is spread around quite a few people/groups, including the fans. But 99.99% of the responsibility lies with the owner. He made the decisions, at various stages, that caused this to happen in the way that it did. The buck stops with the owner.

Thats Bollox . . . (better spelling!)

Your favourite word tonight!!

As I said, he isn't going to write off a penny. Not a penny. Letting us rot (wasting our season) will not lose him a penny. What makes you think it would?

Ha Ha - I really SO wish you were right.

All we actually know is that Ashley SAID he intended to sell the club. I think he actually intends just to let us rot, as payback for what he feels we did to him and his 'little toy' football club. He knows the value of the club will not dramatically fall from what it is now, if he simply punishes us by letting the club (and us) ROT. That is human nature, for people of his sort. To those who say "source?" and "how do you know?" - I say, just wait and see and judge by the 'silence' and lack of action.

My interpretation of Ashley's actions so far, is that he has NO intention of selling us in the near future (unless he gets a 'silly' offer) and is fully intending to get his own back on us by LETTING US ROT . . . It seems like this season is probably over for us, so soon (it being only September) but it seems likely that we can already say that.

We are all individuals with our own wildly differing views and opinions and standards of behaviour, on this planet, and I accept that. It is difficult at times (and I often wonder if some of us ARE on the same planet!) but I accept it and the bizarre views on many aspects of life (football included) that some people have. The above (in bold) though, makes me wonder afresh, whether we should seriously consider setting up 'secure compounds' for some people . . . I really do. It sounds like the 'compounds' remark is directed at me, but I'm not 100% sure. Can you confirm? If it is, and it reads like it is, you'll have to do what all people with a valid, sensible opinion that differs from the masses have to do - put up with ridicule because there's no real counter arguement, just a differing opinion, to throw back. Hence, the "youre a NUTTER" replies. That's an interesting (not) comment. The masses seem to have it in for Michael Owen, and this poster is just one of them. It is even more interesting (even more not) how this obsession of the masses, as articulated by bobyule, is then cited as 'differing' from the masses by someone else. Planet totall boll*x must be a pretty busy place these days, but I do not intend to visit.