manorpark

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_4085465,00.html

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too.

I've never seen the big problem with them being 'London based' (boo, hiss), as if being based in London is inherently evil or something. I doubt they're signing many players from North Tyneside, I think they would spend a lot of time away from the city anyway. And as for them not being good at their jobs, I'd say the players we've brought in so far suggest otherwise. It isn't their job to identify Robinho etc, anyone can do that from the comfort of their front room. We're digging deeper to spend more sensibly. If you have worked in organisations with "remote management" or "remote power" then you will know what I mean. But, simply, the undewhelming/uninspiring transfer window (no?) confirms that they are not very good at the job they are supposed to be 'travelling around the world all the time doing'. What they have done may be "ok" (no more than that) but they needed to have achieved far far far more (and 'better than ok'). We should not accept these mediocre standards, objectives, behaviours and personnel at this club. (Lets not excuse it all by talking about the past either).

I'm sorry for saying that. I am just (like you say) disappointed, so very disappointed. The reason I used the word 'ashamed', is because I have spent a whole lifetime, an entire lifetime, telling people around the UK and anywhere, the FACTS (not my opinion - I have always presented it as FACT) that we are a great club and we will prove it on the field 'some day very soon' ('then you'll all know' . . . ) I don't feel (for the first time in my life) that saying that has any credibility now. The whole 'we are 2nd class' thing from Keegan last season (no matter what he meant by it, and no matter how others interpret it) started it off. The employment of these London-based (not very good, obviously, at their jobs) non-entities makes it even worse. Then we realise that (unlike other Billionaire-owned clubs) OUR billionaire isn't going to spend any of HIS money (yes, I know about the debts . . .) on the grander things of life. Then we get this uninspiring/underhwelming transfer window. OK, some of the new players have started well . . but on a cold winters day at West Ham or Wigan?? Yes, perhaps the best word is disppointment, but perhaps you can see where the 'ashamed' thing came from. Please, don't (anyone) ramble on pointlessly about 'depression' and 'doommongering'. It is just how it seems to be for this club, right now - and I personally can't see KK living with it for long - but WE have to!

Excellent post Johnnypd - says it all. You will get a lot of people posting on here saying wen can't do this and we can't do that and saying how 'satisfied they are' with our new lower level of mediocrity (without admitting that is what it is, of course). That is human nature, for some. Also, a lot of people will not post the realities of our lower status on here at all, because they know that they will be attacked as 'doommongers' by the usual suspects. My contribution? I simply want to find a short phrase that sums up how I feel about our club, now (and how many fervent NUFC supporters that I know also feel) I HAVE ALWAYS REFLECTED MY PRIDE IN OUR FANTASTIC CLUB AROUND THE COUNTRY. NOW (AS I REFUSE TO JOIN IN WITH THE "NEW APOLOGISTS" GRADUALLY ACCEPTING LESS AND LESS AS THE NORM) I AM QUITE SIMPLY . . . A S H A M E D. Ashamed at how we are gradually being brainwashed into expecting less and less and that "our place" is as a second-rank mid-table club, now (for example) only able to buy cheaper players that no-one has heard of. Yes, thats the word - ASHAMED. I doesn't help (saying this) but it is how it is.

I think it could and should have been better than that. I think we are fooling ourselves if we think otherwise. Remember also, the 'net' player situation is even worse than that!

For £12m you could buy two replacements and I'm pretty sure at least one would be as good as or better than Milner. True, but if we don't buy a replacement then it isn't such a good deal. Seriously (no 'shrieking' doom-monger criticism please . . . ) is it not one step forward / one step back, when you selll and then buy? Even if it is a 'slightly better' player bought (hopefully) it is still not in the same league as 'buying to increase the size of and the quality of the squad' - is it?

"a big name" - how pathetic would that be.

That beggars belief. We have no national media in this country. We have a parochial London-based (and London-obsessed) media, broadcast nationally. Just look at the London-based "hype" of poor little Tottingham!!! In that local-London world (broadcast/written nationally) we will always have rubbish routinely written about us. There is no hope of it ever changing. This country will never get a National Press/Media. Never. Isn't that what the whole country is like ? Based on 'Financial Services' in the South East while most of the country lives off the scraps ?? There has been no country-wide prosperity since all the Industries committed suicide - Shipbuilding, Car-making(except as screwdriver ops run by the Japs or Germans), train-building,Steel etc etc etc. And DON'T just blame the Tories - easy target - because whilst they DO have some responsibility, the greed of myopic managers and prehistoric unions were mostly responsible.. It is no coincidence that successful Football teams(Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal ) are in areas with large concentrations of so-called Financial or Service Industries...in any event, most of Man U's fans are southern based..that is where the money & jobs are in the UK. So, we should just ACCEPT that a parochial, isolated and insular little local press (for one sh*t*hole part of the country) gets to broadcast its little local media (TV & Newspapers) viewpoint around our country, under the guise of being a "National" media??

That beggars belief. We have no national media in this country. We have a parochial London-based (and London-obsessed) media, broadcast nationally. Just look at the London-based "hype" of poor little Tottingham!!! In that local-London world (broadcast/written nationally) we will always have rubbish routinely written about us. There is no hope of it ever changing. This country will never get a National Press/Media. Never.

He is a most entertaining and 'infectious' talker.

Lets wait and see if anything happens. And if something happens, lets hope it was (really) worth waiting for. When I was a little boy, I used to believe in heroes. I used to believe what they said, as much as what they did. I have grown up since then.

I agree, he is not presenting 'spin' and he is (as ever) likeable.

Got to say I thought the opposite, that KK looks as enthusiastic and lively as I've seen him in the last few years. Yes, he has extra experience and that might have added a bit of realism/maturity, but that can only be a good thing. If he can continue to push for positive moves and the right players, while being pragmatic enough to realise he might not always get them, he'll be a great asset to the club for a long time to come. I believe in KK. He usually (not always) says the right thing, and he says it very well. He does a convincing and effective job. He is good at interviews.

Cuckoo...cuckoo...cuckoo... Helpful. This better? http://www.northumberlandlife.org/morpethmentalhealth/ Thanks for telling me about where you live, now try and show me the treatment worked, and come up with a calm and structured response to my comments, if you disagree with them. Lights out a 8pm...but don't worry, you can scream and bang your head as much as you want. OK

Cuckoo...cuckoo...cuckoo... Helpful. This better? http://www.northumberlandlife.org/morpethmentalhealth/ Thanks for telling me about where you live, now try and show me the treatment worked, and come up with a calm and structured response to my comments, if you disagree with them.

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Just watched the below Keegan interview. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7588360.stm He looks relaxed, but he is such a long way from the positive 'fighting-fit' guy he used to be. He is like a prizefighter who is past his very best. He still (you can see) expects to WIN some fights, but he is gradually getting used to losing an increasing number. His world seems to have got smaller and he is more content with his lot than before. Yes, I think he is going to do very well for us - within his new, more limited, horizons. I'm not so sure he is the long-term answer though, if (am I allowed to say this on here?) we are ever going to compete at the top end of the league again.

Oh my god - "B I D S" . . . (or even more accurately - "reported bids"). How many times does THAT need to be pointed out? Fine then, lets look at facts. Coloccini for a reported 9m going up to 10.3m - also reported to have signed the 'contract of his life'. True, the Modric bid (I'll forget the Aimer & Inler ones because as Dave said, could be wrong) was made before any players were sold. In the end the deal didn't come off but it shows that the money is there for players of the right calibre. Gutierrez had an original asking price of 10m but we got around the via a loophole, but I imagine we still had to pay a few to get him in. There's a difference between 'selling to buy' and simply getting rid of players that are no good for us. How do you know (or 'imagine') that a Coloccini purchase would have been funded, if we had got (say) Modric? Also, I don't think Keegan would agree with any of you "Milner haters" on here ("no good for us" !!!!) I don't agree with you either. I also asked if you thought it would just be a 'mere coincidence' if Ashley actually spends some money RIGHT NOW? Well? Have you ever thought that we might not have budgeted to buy another RM, and therefore we need the money from his transfer before we can buy a replacement. er . . . is that not my point !!!!!!!!!! No it wasn't you mong, your point was that you think this means we have to sell to buy. His point is that we have to buy because we've sold.. not the same thing. Oh that hurts!! I am not even gonna reply to this . . Woops, too late (sort of) . . .

Thanks, because I have never questioned his integrity.

So basically you're questioning his integrity, given that he's not once said he has a problem with how things are set up? This thread is supposed to be about 'having faith in Kevin Keegan'. I imagine that this is premised on the fact that (to us, and I include me in that) KK became a GOD in the past at this club. I am saying that we should all remember that (for the various reasons I mentioned, but mainly the one you quoted) he is not the same KK we had here previously. Also (as I'm sure you know from your own life-experiences, not just in football) the clearest messages are often those that are not spelt out in plain English . . .

LOUDER, than, speak, words, A C T I O N S. (comes to mind) particularly . . . A C T I O N S . . . So why don't you wait until the window is over before you f***ing moan? Give them a chance to act before you start the ridiculously hyperbolic whining. Remember, we just took a point from the Champions of Europe and England in their house two weeks ago. Results matter more than names. What an amazing collection of words. Particular gems include - "give them a chance to act". We should aim to get new players in for pre-season training, not in time for a pre-match cup of tea on the day of the 4th match of the season!!! As for "f***ing moan". It is time you realised that to analyse what is happening and to (simply) not praise-it-all-to-the-high-heavens, but to actually tell the truth . . . is not the same as "f***ing moaning". I know when it comes to football and your own club in particular, it is difficult for some to get real. But, get real. LOL, well put Manor, anyone not buying in completely gets this s*** thrown at them all the time on here, good to see someone giving as good as he gets. Its a hard job at times - but someones gotta do it! Thanks for the comments.

He is also a totally different person to the Keegan of old. He is older and less dynamic (and less well known around the world). But mainly . . . He is not free to do what he wants under Ashley & co, to the extent that he was under SJH. So, effectively, he is not the same Keegan. (Still good mind!)

See, it's obvious that Keegan says what serves the purpose of the moment. Everton was sniffing around Smith - suddenly Smith is a fantastic part of the dressingroom, would never sell him. Same goes for Milner - the last player I'd sell. Blah blah blah. So why do we believe these quotes? Once again, Keegan is just saying what needs to be said. It's equivocal enough that he can back out of it if the signings don't come and it makes him look like the one calling the shots. Gloating, for those so inclined, can wait until Tuesday. What is the point of 'gloating'? We all want the same things, but some on here are more prepared than others to see the faults and limited-abilities (and to say so) of some of those who are responsible for providing us with those things. It is called 'honesty'.

We don't have to go off the quotes and just follow like a sheep, things are changing on a regular basis and most of the changes are for the better. If people deliver then what they say should be taken seriously. I agree 100% with your last sentence.