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Aye like that's ever stopped our fans before. Let's face it the majority are happier using their voices to vent frustration than they are to get behind the team. The team are against what has happened, kicking off is getting behind the team. Showing Pardew support, or being complicit in his appointment, is going against the team. Aye it worked so well when Keegan left didn't it. Ashley got the response he deserved then, in fact not enough. Things settled down because people thought he was going and the protesting stopped, and we still went down.

Spot on imo.

He's a c*** of a man, a terrible footballer manager and a friend of the great Cockney fuckers. If he was any sort of a decent person, he wouldn't have been involved in taking Hughton's job before he was even out of it. He deserves everything he gets. Almost every manager who's ever been involved in the game has been involved in taking someone's job before they were out of it, let's not get too carried away on that as if it's some sort of unique trait. I don't rate him as a manager but bear in mind were it not for an astonishing Gerrard goal he'd have won the FA cup for West Ham and probably have had a far more successful career after that. I'm only playing devils advocate here but I genuinely can't understand actively wanting a manager to fail before he's started tbh. Because we're doomed anyway IMO. We're as good as relegated. If we all get behind Pardew and the team, I don't think we'll stay up. So what's the point of making an effort to back a guy that you really really hate when it's not going to make any difference? I guess you may as well give up supporting us then. Maybe we're coming at it from completely different angles but if you'd rather persue a vendetta than support the team then that's up to you. I won't be singing Pardew's name but I also won't be singing against him, he'll effectively be part of the team. But theres no hope for the club as long as Ashley is here... a proper response to this shit is well over-due, dont go, have MA staring at as many empty seats as possible.

Thats how I feel.

Aye thats true, think the problem is he probably wants to sell players like Enrique & Carroll, and going off the reports it seems he sticks his ego into team selection, Aand generally has no interest in climbing the table, just being in the Premiership is enough until a buyer comes. Obviously he's put that at risk now though.

Top and bottom of it - Ashley wants a yes man and Hughton wasnt it. This aint about the football.

i happen to think that being able to apply thinking like 'if we all stop giving ashley our money he'll have to f*** off' makes me a pretty considerate person and therefore a good friend tbh, but each to their own That's fair enough mate and I'd agree with you on that point. Look, I'm not saying that we should just bend over and take it up the backside from Ashley and his runty litter of fuckwits - but I am saying that folks can't let this (admittedly diabolical) latest turn of events dilute their passion for the club. If people choose to articulate that love of the club by stopping supporting it now, then that's fine, they can f*** off just so long as they don't come back when the good times return, because they will return. They will. What about not going to games anymore in the hope it will bring good times back - i.e. speed up Ashleys departure. I don't know, you tell me. Did it work last time round when Keegan walked? It didnt happen, everyone kept going, thinking he was he was going to sell the club. I'd like to see a proper sustained boycott from now till the end of the season, and then no-one getting season tickets in the summer, and seeing what he does then. To be honest, I think Skirge's idea of everyone going up to SJP for the game, but not going in, just simply standing outside and cheering the team shows a degree of media savvy that previous protests just didn't. Thats what I think too, I'm desparate for it to happen.

Well he wasnt actually there aginst Hull that time, if he has the balls to be there against Liverpool justifying this, then I hope he walks into a backlash of monumental proportions and feels the hate.

Why dont we just simply block the Milburn entrance where he goes in?

From the sounds of it they have been discussing this with Pardew for a month or two, and it has been tied up a while ago. Delaying the announcement makes it seem like they are searching for 'the best man' to 'take the club forward', it makes the notion they tried for Jol credible, and puts them in (they would think) slightley better light. In reality there has never been any intetion to get Jol or O'Neil, they are just using the media.

He will 'back him' through thick & thin the same way Joe Kinnear would still be here if he wasnt taken ill - in other words, he's got his mates in jobs who will hold the forte till he sells the club, and wont have the distraction of a Hughton or Keegan (or any credible manager) wanting to take the club forward. Because thats what it is - a manager wanting to take this club forward is a distraction to him. Its a total con, he's a fraud.

i happen to think that being able to apply thinking like 'if we all stop giving ashley our money he'll have to f*** off' makes me a pretty considerate person and therefore a good friend tbh, but each to their own That's fair enough mate and I'd agree with you on that point. Look, I'm not saying that we should just bend over and take it up the backside from Ashley and his runty litter of fuckwits - but I am saying that folks can't let this (admittedly diabolical) latest turn of events dilute their passion for the club. If people choose to articulate that love of the club by stopping supporting it now, then that's fine, they can f*** off just so long as they don't come back when the good times return, because they will return. They will. What about not going to games anymore in the hope it will bring good times back - i.e. speed up Ashleys departure. I don't know, you tell me. Did it work last time round when Keegan walked? It didnt happen, everyone kept going, thinking he was he was going to sell the club. I'd like to see a proper sustained boycott from now till the end of the season, and then no-one getting season tickets in the summer, and seeing what he does then.

i happen to think that being able to apply thinking like 'if we all stop giving ashley our money he'll have to f*** off' makes me a pretty considerate person and therefore a good friend tbh, but each to their own That's fair enough mate and I'd agree with you on that point. Look, I'm not saying that we should just bend over and take it up the backside from Ashley and his runty litter of fuckwits - but I am saying that folks can't let this (admittedly diabolical) latest turn of events dilute their passion for the club. If people choose to articulate that love of the club by stopping supporting it now, then that's fine, they can f*** off just so long as they don't come back when the good times return, because they will return. They will. What about not going to games anymore in the hope it will bring good times back - i.e. speed up Ashleys departure.

I'd love it if we could be united on this.

Same as Wise, jobs for the boys. Exactly, this is not a football decision. He wants a mate as manager, its such a disgrace and unbelievable, but that is the amatur levels he operates on.

Are you out of your f***ing tree? Just take a deep breath and take it easy. You might want to read my follow up posts first. I have and while I vaguely agree it certianly doesn't make it 'fascinating' nor 'interesting.' Probably the wrong choice of words to use. What I meant was that the idea was an interesting one, but wether this was viable for running a football club is another thing. Should it somehow work out, it will be interesting to see what the wider implications would be. Who knows, I thought I was totally apathetic towards the issue now, what do you know I'm still angry. For long term success I don't think it is viable, no manger worth his salt is going to accept those terms or any other condition along those lines. Hypothetically Ashley may luck out and Pardew may keep us up, still doesn't mean it's a sensible way to go about things. What if Pardew establishes us a Premier League side and he can't take us any further under the current ownership? No manager above his calibe is going to bite, we'll be looking at the also rans again, it just isn't sustainable. He dosent intend on taking us further than that imo, he simply intends to stay in the PL with, eventually, a reasonably low wage bill, and find a buyer to pay him a big price. In the meantime a yes-man can hold the forte for him.

Sports Direct, is fucking shit, we are the Geordies, and Ashleys a tit

Exactly, and its a nice mask to hide behind at the same time - 'Im not going to do a Portsmouth etc'... but its all cost cutting to make the club attractive for a buyer. Well, people are fed up with them anyway, so making the club as attractive for a buyer as possible might not be a bad thing if this is indeed the case. It isnt, though the club is effectivley on hold until he does. And this is while he is, most likely, asking for a stupid price. And thats where we should try & force that price down by boycotting.

Exactly, and its a nice mask to hide behind at the same time - 'Im not going to do a Portsmouth etc'... but its all cost cutting to make the club attractive for a buyer.

Ultimately its all bollocks from Llambias dressing things up to try and make them look credible.

It's ironic because Hughton was probably hired initially because Ashley believed that he was a yes man. The soft spoken former No.2 seemed like a perfect alternative to big, combative personalities like Keegan or Shearer. All of this basically happened because Ashley realized that Chris Hughton has a spine. Yep, very ironic like you said, and its the crux of the whole thing imo. Nothing to do with results or performance.

Pretty much, I believe Hughton would have wanted to progress the team and club, and not stand still. I think he would have made it clear in order to progress he will need more support, and like I've said, they want a yes man instead.

Thats it, for me.

Hughton was bringing success, for a team looking to consolidate, and was heading in the right direction you absolute tit. Theres no logic there... you want top 6 on that budget?? You got rid of Hughton because he wasnt a yes man, he wanted his own no.2, he wouldnt have accepted player sales, probably told you how sick he was of your ego interfering with the team, and he was gaining a powerful position with his growing status with the fans.

Its a yes man he wants. Hasnt someone said Pardew is freinds with Llambias? It would make sense. It blatently looks to me that he wants someone who will not protest at potential player sales, minimum transfer money and team interference. Hughton wasnt sacked based on the football, but that he would have been banging on Ashleys door asking for more financial support, and would have protested at player sales, and they want the cosy Joe Kinnear type scenario back.