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If you get a chance to see his goals and general play you will probably say f*** me "we had a player like that playing for us" ,then you look at Shola and say f*** me is that the level we are at now :'( ...and you want to ask yourself where did it all go so wrong!

Hate to keep living in the past but i cry sometimes when i see what we had and lost We all do, it's like when you lose an extremely hot lass and have her replaced by 22 stone neanderthal looking female. mackems.gif

Got to say, I'm REALLY impressed by Peter Beardsley. Although I've seen little of him, because I'm quite young and did start supporting Newcastle until Shearer signed, he's got to be one of the best players we've had !! On a side note, I want the old kit back

looking at Peter Beardsley Testimonial Part 3 of 3 video 3:20 out in that clip Keegan

Constant banging?

Go Inter! Jose ftw Manager of Newcastle next season

Lovely thread

We'll see in may I guess... painful season...

Worst name related insult since Pee-gan. Wierd having a casino manager in charge. Probably knows gambling is a disease..

" negotiations are “ongoing” in this area." ... yeah, right... fucking l-ly-bas(tard).

Of course Kevin got us playing again. The Massiah were back. People on here can say whatever they like. But at the moment he (Keegan) came back we had something we have been missing for a very long time, and something we rarely have - optimism! I think Ashley et al. are very aware of that May will be crucial, not just for the future of the club, but also for the fan support. And I'm not talking about people switching favorite teams here, I'm talking about people turning up to see matches. We already know that the attendance has dropped this season. Real fans will never abandon their favorite teams - I won't. Hell, even in worst case I'll still support Newcastle, I'll never switch. BUT if Ashley et al. just continue doing what they do best, I'll get indifferent. Maybe others will too. It's his club now, he owns it, just like you and me own something. He can do whatever he'd like with it. People can protest and boycott as much as they like, it still won't change the fact that he own the club. I hope we stay up. But yeah, thanks to Ashley I'm well on my way to become indifferent. I read the gossip, the news, I'm on this forum - but earlier I read it all, I was interested, now i just read the headlines. I don't bother watching the matches online anymore. Hell, if it hadn't been for N-O I wouldn't even know when we played our next match. And all this, as much as some of you would like to call me a bad supporter, has nothing to do with the true caring or love for the club. It has to do with the fact that the man owning my club is destroying it, and I don't want to be in the front-seat row witnessing that.

Shearer by a mile. Who the fuck is this Owen guy?

He's gone in the summer for sure. Overall a complete waste (bar his preformance in Keegan's 4-3-3 system.)

He thought we'd finish above Arsenal last season when we had Allardyce. and you thought Ashley - or anybody - would be better than the Halls and Shepherd. Don't see why that's a stupid point of view, I certainly thought Ashley would be a great owner, as did many people. It doesn't seem to be ridiculed now everyone is saying anything would be better than Ashley, even though they haven't got any idea who it might be. Got to agree with you Ian W. At first I honestly thought Ashley would be a great owner. Although it became pretty clear from the very start he wasn't a 'Roman calibre' in term of money, I really expected a lot more from him. He's made so many stupid mistakes since taking over. For instance, Mort disappeared in came Llambas (!!) Jimenez left the club, and I really rate Jimenez. It looks like Wise is doing a great job at getting in young players, but why is he appointed DOF? Why isn't he just name head scout? We need a good manager, well... look no further than Sven G. Eriksson. He's having a hard time in Mexico, and seriously, why wouldn't he be interested in the newcastle job, when he (according to the sun - to what ever degree you can take their shit for real), doesn't reject the prospect of managing Portsmouth ?!

NE5: You didn't respond to my post back at pg. 21.

nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. is it now ? We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson. Or Everton replace Moyes .......... Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory. Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual. you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp. were you happy with the kinnear appointment ? hey getting a good manager is a lottery right,surely theres as much chance getting a s*** one to turn out good results as there is a good one turning out bad to your thinking or maybe you are piffling again in anattempt to detect any criticism from the your beloved fred ? (conversly it must work with players aswell...shevchenko,veron,woodgate at real,keane at liverpool......good players who didn't do it so surely it means it's pointless spending big as these players prove it works) i'll stop you in your tracks........."back your manager"............what with ? where was the money going to come from......at this point you mention the debt of others and as always i mention the debt of the top 4 is different to ours as they are making money aside from those with sugar daddies where as we have consistently made losses (not a good scenario when begging to the banks with few assets left to hock). look at the other clubs who,like us have lived beyond their means,they are all cutting right back and ask yourself what liverpools or arsenals spending would be like if they missed out on the champs league for 3 or 4 years ? often on here you have alluded to others having thir heads in the sand but it is clear the one one doing an ostrich is yourself in relation to the position fred left us in. silly. Especially when there are still people hell bent on defending Ashley to the bitter end, and I mean bitter end = relegation and with little chance of coming back. Pleased for you that you still appear to write off all those european qualifications and champions league appearances and the manner in which they were achieved. Still, nobody is "embarrassing us" any more, right ? BORING ! we've covered the euro qualifications to death as that has little to do with the position we were in spring 2007. defending ashley to the bitter end......like you defending fred ? i never mentioned being embarassed by fred's utterences. nice to see you keep your head in the sand re our position when fred left. you mentioned Shepherd, not me, with a silly childish comment. Yep, I will "defend" anybody who gave me the only 15 years out of 45 that tried to compete at the levels this club should always compete at, and thus gave me the best most consistent and highest league positions as a result. As I've said before. Then you should be happy that your season ticket money is going towards paying the bills he racked up in the process. The alternative is of course, only supporting the club when they are winning, as you did when the Halls and Shepherd took over [if you even did that] Was that the Hall/Shepherd era where we were nearly relegated from the 1st division? Or the Hall/Shepherd era where we were finishing 13th in the league despite the big spending? nah, the Hall/Shepherd who took over a club days from bankruptcy, getting 15000 gates and couldn't be sold for 1.25m quid, that became a club filling a 52000 all seater stadium, playing in the champions league, qualifying for europe more than anybody but 4 clubs, and was valued at anything between 100m and 200m quid. I am sorry you feel the need to scorn the big spending that did all of that, what a shame you would have preferred solvency and 2nd division obscurity instead of beating Barcelona and playing in the San Siro. You really are one blinkered old man aren't you. Who said I didn't appreciate the wonderful football we have experienced, but you paint the Hall/Shepherd days with such rose-tinted spectacles. You fail to see what it has cost this club to get these things. You know I wouldn't prefer to be in the 2nd division, but a happy medium of the club not being whored out to pay for the fabulous football we saw would have been nice, do you not think? As for the £100-£200 million quid. Are you happy that Sir John Hall and Fred Shepherd pocketed over £180 million between them when this club was sold, especially since Sir John Hall stood on the steps of St James when he first bought the club and stated he wasn't in it for the money! YEAH RIGHT! oh dear. Resorting to insults. How old are you ? I'm not old you daft bugger, and I'm in good health too. If you don't want to listen to others who have seen things [without meaning to sound patronising] then you really do have a serious problem, and are talking like a naive teenager. I don't believe you saw the mediocrity of the 1970's and 1980's if you think the souness, Roeder and Allardyce league positions were mediocre league positions. Sorry like, but I don't. I believed you at first but your own comments have gave me the impression I now have. I have no idea what makes you think I am happy with money going out of the club. All I have said is that the Halls and Shepherd are by far the best owners we have had in 50 years, in fact, the ONLY good owners in that time. To that extent, they deserved something, for the job they did and the initial risks they took, taking over the club in the state it was in. And don't compare the state of the club in 1991 to now, because believe me, it was miles apart. but we're in the same league position now as we were when shepherd left, so its not the league positions you care about? but how much money we spend? seems weird. I don't ever remember us being in such a relegation scrap under Shepherd's tenure though. point taken, but remember we're always only one or two results away from being out of it (just as much as the opposite is true i understand). but to criticise ashley on current league position while stating that the souness roeder allardyce finishes were not mediocre is hypocritical, whereas to criticise ashley on financial grounds is at best naive and at worst a blatant agenda. I really don't know how many times this has to be said. A board that backs their manager and shows ambition will always be better than one who choose not to. i agree, however i feel thats over simplifying the issue somewhat, dont you? in light of the clubs current financial status? You mean seeing 2 of our best players, one of whom has been a fabric of the club and couldn't wait to get away, and our captain to follow soon, is over-simplifying ? I don't think so. In fact, its frightening. no thats not what i mean because thats not what i said. i dont really think thats relevant to backing the manager? as it opens a whole load of other issues regarding whether jfk wanted given and n'zogbia to stay, what the club did to keep them etc, so lets not side track. i agree with you that boards should back their managers financially, but given the clubs finances at present, how should the board be providing more than they currently are? I'm not sure either, but maybe Shay Given could shed some light on it ? As well as Keegan and Owen ? Don't you find their actions tell you something ? i reckon they'd tell you they left cos the club aint going to be challenging anytime soon (and i would say it it was down to the financial mess we are in) you would say we should have kept on borrowing to keep these players ,cross your fingers and hope we find success before the banks say "no" or "err can we have our money back please" I understand what you and the others are saying. You wish we hadnt' played in the Champions League rather than aim for a relegation and solvency, and you think every club except us is successful, always appoint the right man, and make profits at the same time oh we know that trick,the one where you try to make out someone said something they didn't. what i am saying (and you well know it) is that after dropping out the champs league you can gamble a bit to get back in,but if you fail and you keep on gambling and failing.....you end up like all other gamblers who fail. still awaiting your answer by the way of where the money would come from year on year when making losses year on year and do you understand that you can't keep borrowing for ever. Simple difference is, I don't believe Ashley has a clue about football, or how to succeed, nor the desire to do what it takes even if this belief is incorrect. Whereas I have no doubt whatsoever that the Halls and Shepherd would have re-grouped and had another go, and probably had some success too. It boils down to the same thing I've said from day 1, you know, what people don't understand and have been disputing all along, which is a board with desire for success, what it takes and backs their managers is better anyday than one who's only aim is saftely and afraid to the degree they won't back their managers. Any owner who takes this Ashley direction will NEVER match the Halls and Shepherd. Personally, I'm not looking for someone ready to match the Halls and Shepherd at all. I don't like Ashley. I think he's piece of s***. But I thank Llambias for his time answering questions to the Chronicle. However, they (Ashley & co) have to pretty f***ing lame if they think that running away from a problem (not communicating) is better than working around a solution (communicating). However, there are some things I like. That is Wise bringing in youngsters. Ever since I became a NUFC supporter, the lack of youngsters have really amazed me. So it's a good thing we bring in young players. Hopefully they will develop nicely. I also agree that debt and wage bill is far too high, and those numbers are not reflecting our league position or lack of euro. football... or cups for that matter. Other than that, I can't f***ing understand, can't f***ing believe, it is possible to run a football club the way newcastle United has been for years and years. I mean... what the f*** !?! thats quite a sensible post, but you let yourself down like others do with the last sentence. I mean, how can a club be badly run when it qualifies for europe more than any club bar 4 over a period of 15 years ? How many of the 87 clubs that didn't do as well as us do you think were "run better" ? I could probably write a book large enough to make any other book like a post-it note. I realise we all have different opinions, and you know, I think that's a good thing! There's always drama around Newcastle, why isn't there the same drama around sunderland or middlesborough? If you're Shepard how hard is it to understand that spending a lot money that you don't have over time is going to get some serious consequences? Where are the qualified/educated people to come in and stop that madness? If you're billionaire Ashley how the fuck can you excuse the lack of communication, or the lack of funds spent on transfers? ...One got to be pretty fucking stupid to blame it all on "oh, I didn't know my investment was in such a bad condition!". My response would be: "oh, mr. billionaire, where the fuck is your educated/qualified people helping you out... helping you to understand what's what?" Mr Ashley/Llambas you say you want to copy Villa, Arsenal blabla.. then pull together and do something. Well, I could go on forever, there's so many questions that needs answers, so many basic things that needs to be sorted out... and I simply can't understand how it can be so fucking hard to do something consistently right over time. Why the drama, why the pain, why the hype? Why not do what needs to be done and get over it.

nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. is it now ? We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson. Or Everton replace Moyes .......... Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory. Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual. you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp. were you happy with the kinnear appointment ? hey getting a good manager is a lottery right,surely theres as much chance getting a s*** one to turn out good results as there is a good one turning out bad to your thinking or maybe you are piffling again in anattempt to detect any criticism from the your beloved fred ? (conversly it must work with players aswell...shevchenko,veron,woodgate at real,keane at liverpool......good players who didn't do it so surely it means it's pointless spending big as these players prove it works) i'll stop you in your tracks........."back your manager"............what with ? where was the money going to come from......at this point you mention the debt of others and as always i mention the debt of the top 4 is different to ours as they are making money aside from those with sugar daddies where as we have consistently made losses (not a good scenario when begging to the banks with few assets left to hock). look at the other clubs who,like us have lived beyond their means,they are all cutting right back and ask yourself what liverpools or arsenals spending would be like if they missed out on the champs league for 3 or 4 years ? often on here you have alluded to others having thir heads in the sand but it is clear the one one doing an ostrich is yourself in relation to the position fred left us in. silly. Especially when there are still people hell bent on defending Ashley to the bitter end, and I mean bitter end = relegation and with little chance of coming back. Pleased for you that you still appear to write off all those european qualifications and champions league appearances and the manner in which they were achieved. Still, nobody is "embarrassing us" any more, right ? BORING ! we've covered the euro qualifications to death as that has little to do with the position we were in spring 2007. defending ashley to the bitter end......like you defending fred ? i never mentioned being embarassed by fred's utterences. nice to see you keep your head in the sand re our position when fred left. you mentioned Shepherd, not me, with a silly childish comment. Yep, I will "defend" anybody who gave me the only 15 years out of 45 that tried to compete at the levels this club should always compete at, and thus gave me the best most consistent and highest league positions as a result. As I've said before. Then you should be happy that your season ticket money is going towards paying the bills he racked up in the process. The alternative is of course, only supporting the club when they are winning, as you did when the Halls and Shepherd took over [if you even did that] Was that the Hall/Shepherd era where we were nearly relegated from the 1st division? Or the Hall/Shepherd era where we were finishing 13th in the league despite the big spending? nah, the Hall/Shepherd who took over a club days from bankruptcy, getting 15000 gates and couldn't be sold for 1.25m quid, that became a club filling a 52000 all seater stadium, playing in the champions league, qualifying for europe more than anybody but 4 clubs, and was valued at anything between 100m and 200m quid. I am sorry you feel the need to scorn the big spending that did all of that, what a shame you would have preferred solvency and 2nd division obscurity instead of beating Barcelona and playing in the San Siro. You really are one blinkered old man aren't you. Who said I didn't appreciate the wonderful football we have experienced, but you paint the Hall/Shepherd days with such rose-tinted spectacles. You fail to see what it has cost this club to get these things. You know I wouldn't prefer to be in the 2nd division, but a happy medium of the club not being whored out to pay for the fabulous football we saw would have been nice, do you not think? As for the £100-£200 million quid. Are you happy that Sir John Hall and Fred Shepherd pocketed over £180 million between them when this club was sold, especially since Sir John Hall stood on the steps of St James when he first bought the club and stated he wasn't in it for the money! YEAH RIGHT! oh dear. Resorting to insults. How old are you ? I'm not old you daft bugger, and I'm in good health too. If you don't want to listen to others who have seen things [without meaning to sound patronising] then you really do have a serious problem, and are talking like a naive teenager. I don't believe you saw the mediocrity of the 1970's and 1980's if you think the souness, Roeder and Allardyce league positions were mediocre league positions. Sorry like, but I don't. I believed you at first but your own comments have gave me the impression I now have. I have no idea what makes you think I am happy with money going out of the club. All I have said is that the Halls and Shepherd are by far the best owners we have had in 50 years, in fact, the ONLY good owners in that time. To that extent, they deserved something, for the job they did and the initial risks they took, taking over the club in the state it was in. And don't compare the state of the club in 1991 to now, because believe me, it was miles apart. but we're in the same league position now as we were when shepherd left, so its not the league positions you care about? but how much money we spend? seems weird. I don't ever remember us being in such a relegation scrap under Shepherd's tenure though. point taken, but remember we're always only one or two results away from being out of it (just as much as the opposite is true i understand). but to criticise ashley on current league position while stating that the souness roeder allardyce finishes were not mediocre is hypocritical, whereas to criticise ashley on financial grounds is at best naive and at worst a blatant agenda. I really don't know how many times this has to be said. A board that backs their manager and shows ambition will always be better than one who choose not to. i agree, however i feel thats over simplifying the issue somewhat, dont you? in light of the clubs current financial status? You mean seeing 2 of our best players, one of whom has been a fabric of the club and couldn't wait to get away, and our captain to follow soon, is over-simplifying ? I don't think so. In fact, its frightening. no thats not what i mean because thats not what i said. i dont really think thats relevant to backing the manager? as it opens a whole load of other issues regarding whether jfk wanted given and n'zogbia to stay, what the club did to keep them etc, so lets not side track. i agree with you that boards should back their managers financially, but given the clubs finances at present, how should the board be providing more than they currently are? I'm not sure either, but maybe Shay Given could shed some light on it ? As well as Keegan and Owen ? Don't you find their actions tell you something ? i reckon they'd tell you they left cos the club aint going to be challenging anytime soon (and i would say it it was down to the financial mess we are in) you would say we should have kept on borrowing to keep these players ,cross your fingers and hope we find success before the banks say "no" or "err can we have our money back please" I understand what you and the others are saying. You wish we hadnt' played in the Champions League rather than aim for a relegation and solvency, and you think every club except us is successful, always appoint the right man, and make profits at the same time oh we know that trick,the one where you try to make out someone said something they didn't. what i am saying (and you well know it) is that after dropping out the champs league you can gamble a bit to get back in,but if you fail and you keep on gambling and failing.....you end up like all other gamblers who fail. still awaiting your answer by the way of where the money would come from year on year when making losses year on year and do you understand that you can't keep borrowing for ever. Simple difference is, I don't believe Ashley has a clue about football, or how to succeed, nor the desire to do what it takes even if this belief is incorrect. Whereas I have no doubt whatsoever that the Halls and Shepherd would have re-grouped and had another go, and probably had some success too. It boils down to the same thing I've said from day 1, you know, what people don't understand and have been disputing all along, which is a board with desire for success, what it takes and backs their managers is better anyday than one who's only aim is saftely and afraid to the degree they won't back their managers. Any owner who takes this Ashley direction will NEVER match the Halls and Shepherd. Personally, I'm not looking for someone ready to match the Halls and Shepherd at all. I don't like Ashley. I think he's piece of shit. But I thank Llambias for his time answering questions to the Chronicle. However, they (Ashley & co) have to pretty fucking lame if they think that running away from a problem (not communicating) is better than working around a solution (communicating). However, there are some things I like. That is Wise bringing in youngsters. Ever since I became a NUFC supporter, the lack of youngsters have really amazed me. So it's a good thing we bring in young players. Hopefully they will develop nicely. I also agree that debt and wage bill is far too high, and those numbers are not reflecting our league position or lack of euro. football... or cups for that matter. Other than that, I can't fucking understand, can't fucking believe, it is possible to run a football club the way newcastle United has been for years and years. I mean... what the fuck !?!

I'd take it we'd have 50 years of luck now?

I won't predict anything just yet. Edit: expect the fact that 3 teams are being relegated.

He's switched clubs. I don't follow City. I don't care about any other team in the EPL than Newcastle. I still wish him the best of luck. On a side note... when Ashley is out or remember the pin code to his VISA card... we'll get Buffon or Akinfeev , at least we are not competing with City about those two

Tottenham - why? Millions of reasons. Pick your favorite. Middlesborough - Blah! Blackburn - Sam Allardyce.

He's a bit (well, a lot) of a poser too. And you've yet to see his cars yet... accepted me after just 2 mins

There's two Oba's. The real one is Oba Martins, not Obafemi Martins. there more than two oba martins, whats his picture like? http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2059/50/61/547218686/n547218686_1396722_4441.jpg this guy earns to much money

There's two Oba's. The real one is Oba Martins, not Obafemi Martins. there more than two oba martins, whats his picture like? Edit. found the link, sorry