maze

Yeah thought he did ok today actually. More like how he did in a few games under Roeder towards the end of the 2005-6 season.

 

I just hope though, that JFK isn't tempted to start him against Man City on the back of this.

True. I don't get it, how this guy has managed to survive for so long in or squad by the way. At times he prove to be useful (to the extent that well, he is there - we are 11 men (in terms of human beings) on the pitch... but for the most part he does not live up to EPL standard. On top of that it seems like he snubs every opportunity to leave and play regular first team football elsewhere. I just don't get it...

When we get new owners in, along with a new (and hopefully more permanent) manager, I hope they make enough money available to replace the remaining deadwood...

2-2 ?!?!    

I didn't have the time off to watch this game, just checked in here and at a live-update football page online once in a while. Obsessed with my master thesis, I forgot to see what happened in second half, so when I came back on I see we managed 2-2 away at Everton.    Almost like 3-points

So anyone care to just give me a quick sum up? Just read Colo had a nightmare out there.He'll improve though, I still rate him, and think he'll prove to be a good buy given some time. What's up with subbing Enrique with Bassong that early on, and what on earth does Ameobi do on the pitch? Taylor seems to have a tough time, right? Still scored a goal   Haha, you guys seen that the SUN have had this guy up in Newcastle, apperently the ground/area is cursed? 

We'll be sold shortly...each day passing by with the club in its current messthe bids Ashley recieve will only decrease...

In short: Yes! Welcome back, Kevin.

I'm really not sure any more.

 

I always stuck up for him and initially that statement struck me as kinda sad that it'd not worked out for him here.

 

However I've grown more and more suspicious of how he's willing to throw it all away so quickly; he's shown no faith at all in the system that he's set up and championed on numerous occasions.

 

Perhaps as with many things in life, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Maybe he came with good intentions, found things pretty tough and with the credit crunch and Sports Direct not doing so well decided to use the whole Keegan affair to get out whilst helping out his bank balance a bit.

Second

I may be wrong, but it feels to me like the majority of local supporters don't really accept foreign supporters. Maybe this is something that has been perpetuated in the media and isn't strictly true. However, on my first matchday in SJP when I went to the toilets, a number of supporters started to piss on me just because I was wearing a Man U top. Surely if we can't accept people from outside the club will spiral back down and become a smaller enterprise, albeit still with the history and acheivements of 'a big club', or one bigger than most in England. It feels to me like some fans would like that, maybe the majority.

 

You were wearing a man u top to a toon game??

 

 

I had Chelsea shorts on though? It is no way to treat a man in front of his wife in a public toilet. Excuse my bad English I am from Mumbai, it is hard to speak here.

 

Surely this has got to be a joke?  I'm not saying it's OK to have people pissing on you, but to me it sounds like you ask for some sort of reaction when you turn up at SJP in a man utd shirt combined with a chelski shorts. It's a pretty funny outfit to wear in the first place

 

And tbh your situation has little to do with you the fact that you are a foreign supporter, different skin color etc. I'd be a fool to attend the West Ham - Newcastle match in April wearing my toon kit among the WHU fans or even show up with the Toon Army wearing a sunderland shirt. (god forbid that, what's sunderland's kit anyway? Do they have any at all? )

 

GOLD.

 

I was following this thread and maze was making a really good point, everything he was saying was making perfect sense, the minute he posted this post i started to believe he might be wrong.

Strange. Because this guy followed it up by saying:

I do not think it is funny for you to laugh. I cannot go in public toilet ever since because I wet myself with fear. Only glad you can buy bottles of water at the game now.

If however you find him to be serious, and IF he in fact is serious, then I think it's still strange to bring this up in this particular thread, because:

quote author=Golden Glory link=topic=56648.msg1515067#msg1515067 date=1222629102]

On the topic of other teams shirts in a complete different stadium, every other f***ing week at Vicarage Road, you see some little fuckers wearing Chelsea/Arsenal/Manure tops. I always see one little (or not so little, the most obese 10 year old I've ever seen)  s*** with a Manure shirt with Rooney 10 on the back, walking up and down the front of the stand. Little t*** should stay at home and not watch Watford, plastic little t***.

I also was going to make a joke about Saracens kits being worn at the Vic when it's a complete different sport, but an actual truthful anecdote is much better. Oh, and the linesman was wearing a Reading kit the other week, w*****.

Of this you can clearly understand that other people do the same at other stadiums, but I doubt people are mind-readers and attack someone just because they are foreigner. Now that would be racism. And this thread was not created to discuss racism. In fact Alan Shearer 9 could have been from England or UK for that matter, and he could still have ended up in that situation.  Noww, I'm not defending rude and bad things to against eash other at all. The way he brought it up with his replies just sounded like he was making a joke about it like.. "I was wearing a man utd top sitting with the home fans at SJP" .... people respond... and he follows it up by saying "I was also wearing Chelsea shorts" ... eeeh OK....

Thing is though, whether you're a foreigner or not (really doesn't matter) you have to be cautious. Hopefully most of the hooligan culture is gone, but the game is still struggling wih racism and people that lose control during the match. Dressing yourself up with other teams kit is a risky business. That is risky other places as well, not just in England, and risky at other clubs than Newcastle as well.

We could easily discuss this till we die. As much as fighting racism and bullies is important, the whole point with this thread goes a long the lines of what musika,kaizero et al. has been writing.  So, I'm sorry that you think I'm wrong, but you are entitled to think whatever you like.

Difficult question to answer without some more info about figures and numbers. However, it is reasonable to think

P.S. My amateur accounting for how much Ashley paid for the club is the £130m + £100m debt paid off equals £230m

In addition to some sort of profit/pay-out... that is by definition at a minimal the interest rate in the bank. Other ways of thinking of it would be whatever pay-off Ashley would have recieved investing his money elsewhere (that is what he does other than investing in football clubs).. it's simple academic word for this, I only know the norwegian word.. but in English it'd probably something like opportunity/alternative cost of investment.

I may be wrong, but it feels to me like the majority of local supporters don't really accept foreign supporters. Maybe this is something that has been perpetuated in the media and isn't strictly true. However, on my first matchday in SJP when I went to the toilets, a number of supporters started to piss on me just because I was wearing a Man U top. Surely if we can't accept people from outside the club will spiral back down and become a smaller enterprise, albeit still with the history and acheivements of 'a big club', or one bigger than most in England. It feels to me like some fans would like that, maybe the majority.

 

You were wearing a man u top to a toon game??

 

 

I had Chelsea shorts on though? It is no way to treat a man in front of his wife in a public toilet. Excuse my bad English I am from Mumbai, it is hard to speak here.

Surely this has got to be a joke?  I'm not saying it's OK to have people pissing on you, but to me it sounds like you ask for some sort of reaction when you turn up at SJP in a man utd shirt combined with a chelski shorts. It's a pretty funny outfit to wear in the first place

And tbh your situation has little to do with you the fact that you are a foreign supporter, different skin color etc. I'd be a fool to attend the West Ham - Newcastle match in April wearing my toon kit among the WHU fans or even show up with the Toon Army wearing a sunderland shirt. (god forbid that, what's sunderland's kit anyway? Do they have any at all? )

Kaizero - That was my bad. I should of course have explained why I decided to take a break. It has nothing to do with my support for NUFC and the players at the club. I still got the passion and love. It's easier to break-up with your girlfriend than it is to break-up with your football club, trust me on that.

When this whole situation first started, I guess I was just as shocked, confused and angry as most in here. But, you know, after a while of venting my opinions and anger I was left with an empty, sad and disappointing feeling. I knew I could not make a difference in terms of protests at the Hull game and outside SJP. You, the season ticketholders and local Geordies had to do that. Basically, I was left feeling pretty small. A few days later though, Ashley released a statement saying he would listen to the fans and sell out. And I just hope you guys can read between the lines, and realise how powerful we, the fans, as a unit are. Together we can do anything.

So after those days, I knew things were going to take off - numerous thread in the forum about 'the same old' stuff, over and over again to total boredom. When you've expressed your opinions (like I had) what's the point of further participating in these threads, repeating yourself? Or to put it in other words, if you feel sick, do you think going around saying "I'm sick, I'm sick, I'm sick" is going to make you feel any better? No.

So: I said what I felt after Keegan parted, I was aware of the effects - we're gonna lose games until order is restored,  people's gonna vent their feelings in endless threads to total boredom, and the media will have tons to write about. I took a stand, and decided not to be a part of that. Things will get better sooner or later.

...That some of you guys seems to just go on and on criticizing foreign fans all the time. I’m not going to deny the some of the posts are a bit outlandish, but to say things like:  “f*** off”, “you’re clueless”, “Cockney” … and so on is not making anything better.

 

 

:lol:

Thanks to you guys, I'm extending my vocabulary (But, I have no idea why you call Londoners that )

musika -  Very good post Just got to add though, I've been a Newcastle fan ever since Shearer signed. I actually met Shearer during Norway Cup '94 when he played for Blackburn against Vålerenga. That was huge, meeting Shearer in person  

At an age of 10 I didn't know what EPL was, but after meeting Shearer I became a fan of him. So, in some ways I guess you could say I'm an ex-Blackburn fan. But when he signed for Newcastle, I joined him. And I'm going to stick to this club 'till I die.

Gemmill -  

The only time I have a problem with foreign fans is when they start telling the match-going fans where they're going wrong in supporting the team - there was a lad from Pakistan who came on after one home match to tell us the fans were to blame for the team losing that day, the silly arsehole.  Keep your nose clean on that front and I'll leave you alone.

You've hit the nail with the hammer there. This is actually in-between the pros and cons with foreign fans. cons: 'you' (local fans) obviously know a lot more than us. I experienced that during my first Newcastle match against West Ham in April 2008. I don't think anyone feel comfortable with being criticized when it's stated in a negative manner. But if it is constructive and non-abusive, I see nothing wrong in that. You need to remember that as a foreign fans we see everything from distance, while you guys are up close every day. I guess there's some pros and cons there as well. I'm not having a go at you, just to make that clear. The Toon Army's support is unquestionable, and at the end of the day it is Newcastle City's football club, so naturally it should AND WILL express the feelings of those who attend the matches and live in and around the city.

OzzieMandias -

Meanwhile, I don't see how anyone can criticise someone who comes from a place without a team for choosing to support Newcastle. We should welcome their interest. If we don't, they'll just be spending their cash on one of our rivals. Personally I find the current situation more depressing, where hardly anyone outside of the UK seems to have heard of us anymore.

 

As a Geordie who's spent his adult life either in London or abroad, I'm always glad to see foreign supporters. Trying to follow our fortunes in Sky pubs is, in my experience, a thankless and lonely task. If we're on telly, we're either playing one of the "big four", in which case the pub will be full of glory-hunters in red or blue, or else we're playing some smaller team, in which case most people will be cheering on the "underdog" -- and we're never the underdog.

When I went to London in April with my dad, and took the subway to Upton Park - seriously, I've never seen so many Newcastle fans at one time... I felt like coming home right there and then (when, in fact I was in london on my way to Upton). I can't explain the feeling, I was just proud and happy.

Anyway, I have the impression that local Geordies welcome foreigners, and rate us. That is, I came in touch with this Newcastle fan on the sub, and he was from Newcastle, living in Newcastle, been supporting the club for what.. 40 years or so. And he was pretty excited to see a Norwegian Newcastle fan in London, turning up for a West Ham game. "So, you support Newcastle? Coming all the way from Norway TO LONDON, FOR AN AWAY GAME?" ... "you crazy Viking"...That day I made my first friend from Newcastle, and we chat from time to time... mostly on e-mails. And in my latest mail, I asked him what the general feeling in Newcastle City is. Because, I don't know what it is like there. But whatever reason, I'd like to know. I genuinely like to know, in order to understand.

LucaAltieri - Great post! But let's not try to widen the gap by saying locals have it piss-easy, while the foreigners are having such great difficulties. I think it's a bit hard to measure that, and I think it’s a bit unfair… But you're right that we (the foreigners) spend incredibly much time on the internet trying to catch up. For me it's like a full-time job tbh.

Other than that - class post. Spot on. 

Role Model and Spark -

By the way i wasn't having a go at all foreign fans there, i know most of them do show the same passion as the local fans. I just feel that if your a fan you cant just take a break when times are tough.

 

I agree, but that goes for local and non local fans.

 

I'm sure anyone who says that doesn't really, fully, mean it. It's all well and good saying it but even if you avoid the match when it is being played, you'll feel either happy or sad when you find out the result. You'll feel something, if you don't then you can't have been much of a fan at all in the first place. So in a way it is impossible to take a break from supporting the club in my opinion.

Please see my response to Kaizero. Also, I always look at the final  result and I feel sad when we lose, happy if we win. Bear in mind that what's happening at and around the club at the moment is equally contributing and damaging to NUFC as the results on the pitch.

...That some of you guys seems to just go on and on criticizing foreign fans all the time. I’m not going to deny the some of the posts are a bit outlandish, but to say things like:  “fuck off”, “you’re clueless”, “Cockney” … and so on is not making anything better.

I think some of you need to take a look at yourself and think twice before replying in the terms above.  Again, I’m not denying OR defending outlandish posts, but everybody are entitled to have their own opinions and express themselves (in here; express according to the guidelines and rules of this forum).

There’s always some pros and cons being a foreign supporter, and I’m sure you all know what those are. It all comes down to culture and location, we are not English or British by origin (Or even Geordies) and we don’t live in England or the UK. Whatever the differences are, we all share the same passion and love for Newcastle United. (We can’t attend the games, but most of us use the internet actively; this forum, live-update football pages (to keep track of the action and score), read news and so on. Some of us subscribe to expensive TV channel to watch the games, and those who can’t afford that, or for some reason are unable to do so, stream the games illegally online). So at least we’re trying to keep up and minimize the “gap”.

I, for one, have decided to take some time off NUFC and EPL. But after reading Kinnear’s comment that we might be sold before the end of next month, I understood that I had to pay more attention again. I’m not going to bring up what's clearly been expressed and discussed to total boredom in numerous threads.

But let me just remind you that we did a pretty decent job down in Manchester grabbing a point and we went on to record a win. After that we all know the story. The press, at least here in Norway, thought before that start of the season that we would finish in top 7… and despite the fact that we are currently in a disastrous situation, I think we will finish in a better position than last season.

Once this whole situation has been resolved, and we get people in charge that's willing to spend a bit more than Ashley, a permanent manager, and (wishful thinking (?) some stability) I’m sure we will catch up and get back on track. The sooner the situation is solved, the sooner we can look to January and add more players to our squad.

“Everything is going to be alright in the end, and if it’s not alright then it’s not the end“

Ashley... you're a looooooooooooooooo-ooo-ooo-ooooser. Now, get the f*** out of my club. Ashley=Judas.

Some will hunt me down for my last post, but I couldn't resist answering this great post from RM 

First of all, I still hate Ashley - I do - period. imho opinion he's the boy in the that story of the boy who had £10 and went to the store to buy a wallet for his £10.

So, get out of my club, and let the real boys, with more money, take care of Newcastle.

As for Wise, Vetere, and/or Jimenez i don't hold anything against them. In fact I think they have done a promising job in terms of bringing in relatively unknown players for next to nothing. Instead of having a go at Wise (although some thinks bad of him), you should let your anger out at Ashley, and what you really need to ask yourself is what motives Ashley had for bringing Keegan back. (this is actually a good read : http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11678_4113325,00.html )

I fucking love Keegan. Whenever he's in charge of us I feel so safe and secure. It doesn't even matter if he only won what(?) a totalt 6(?) games... the feeling is still there. To me it's pretty obvious Ashley appointed Keegan for what is probably his two strongest qualities passion and motivation.

I'm not going into details about the current structure/setup, but it seems as this is the way it's going to work in the future for English football. Atleast it does now in a lot of European clubs. Of course this was never gonna end well with Keegan in charge - kevin likes to shop - on his own. And imho he had every right to do. Fucking hell, he knows Newcastle better than most. Ashley, Wise, Vetere et al. will never ever have the same knowledge - some things you simply can't buy. Knowledge, friendship, passion and support are among those things. At least in Newcastle.

Appointing Keegan was always gonna end in tears, regardless of him leaving after 8 months or seeing out his contract. The latter would probably cause the least pain and suffering. We don't know exactly what has happend, the only thing we have is a bunch of media stories and some short statements from the club. And I'm not gonna write more about that.

... What i'm gonna write is that Keegan had every right to do what he did. Ashley made a costly mistake hiring him and an even more costly mistake "firing" him. If Ashley had been smart he would have implemented this new setup gradually. And by gradually I mean that he should have let Wise, Vetere, Jimenez et al. handle the reserves/ youngster side. That is, scouting for prospects and buying players like they have - except for first team players. That should have been Keegan's responsibility from day one. Keegan should of course have used Wise, Vetere and Jimenez knowledge, and have them report to him, and then he should have had the final say. Keegan should also have been the man in charge of contract negotiations - that is decide who should be offered a new contract and who shouldn't.

Well, enough about all this... we all know it didn't end this way... it's all wishful thinking...

To me it seems like Ashley does not have the necessary funds to run the club as other owners at the likes of Tottenham and Villa. And therefore he needs to sell NOW.

sign this guys:

http://www.true-faith.co.uk/tf/features.nsf/0/B1099BB0E7683965802574BA0022DBA1?OpenDocument

My Shearer 9 shirt is put away, and I'm signing off. It'll be hard, if not impossible, to stay away from EPL. Doubt I'll find a new club, so I might be back when Ashley's sold on and we've stabilized... thank you, you are without any doubt the best fans in the world. Take care!

Get the fuck out of my club Ashley! Hate you!

The saddest and dumbest thing about this whole fiasco is that it seems the argument is between two sides who think they're doing the best for our club - Keegan wants to control players, thinks he knows best and wants immediate first team impact signings, the others want the club to move to a continental style system, based on youth development and signing players with potential that they can develop. Surely some calm head in a position of power can see this?

 

I'll take Keegan's side on this one.

 

He was brought here to do a job, which is restore the club to a decent postion and give the fans somthing to cheer about after 3-4 s*** years, in doing so he must have full control over who comes in and out, what if lets say Xisco turns out to be a disaster, and Keegan didn't even buy him, people will turn their fingers to Kevin as  the man who signed him, in the end we never hear about Owners getting sacked because of the team under peforming, on the other hand if Keegan does fail when given full board backing and full control, he only have himself to blame.

 

 

Second that!

Don't boycott (...ops...boycoutt ) the game against Hull. Putting the discuss aside, I think those of you who can should turn up for the match.

Bear in mind this is not the teams/players fault..most of us love Kevin, and would like him to stay for as long as possible. Turning up for the game with banners stating "Ashley Out", "Sack The Board" won't contribute to any positives and optimism, and might damage the match preformance.

If you like to express your opinions why not fill the stadium, and have everybody sing "There's only one Kevin Keegan.... You'll never sack him, you don't fuck with him, walking in a Keegan wonderland"

nah, just boycott Mike Ashley and Sports Direct. That's my recommendation!

 

Yeah, he only single-handidly saved our club from financial ruin with his own money. What a prick! 

Yeah, but the prick forgot that he also has to back the manager with money to buy players...

It's like the story of the little boy with £10 who went to the store to buy a wallet for his £10...

nah, just boycott Mike Ashley and Sports Direct. That's my recommendation!

Apperently confirmed... my dad called from norway and said he read it on the teli..

If anyone thinks you can win the league anymore without HUGE money men behind you, then you are mistaken.

 

I'd love it if we were taken over by DIC.

Correct

I don't want us to be bought out Man City-style but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Ashley bought out right about now.

Why? I'd rather have our debt clear by some people who can actually handle clearing our debt - and then have some proper money to be spent on players. I bet Keegan would have fucking loved it if he could be in charge of us with ambitious Arabs backing him up.

Couldn't find the proper "Mike Ashley" thread because this server has some internal error...anyway, with the recent report that Keegan has resigned from his post at Newcastle due to the way the club's being runned.. or should I rather use the word ruined?... My support and patient with Mike Ashley has come to an end. I WANT MIKE ASHLEY OUT OF NEWCASTLE - NOW!!!

Kevin Keegan belongs a trillion times more to Newcastle than Mike  Ashley. When I went to bed last night my thought were: "Hey, this was the exact thing that happened last year as well!"

Some of you may support Ashley. But I'm 110% behind Keegan. You can say whatever you'd like about Ashley. Instead of letting you daydream of Newcastle actually winning EPL and become the best, he has swopped that with dreams that "The Ashley way is the right way". And to think I almost bought into that shit...

Ashley needs to leave our club - he's done enough.

Anyone get the feeling absolutely f*** all is going to happen?

yeah, Dave... might just head of to bed... I guess any deals won't be confirmed until tomorrow morning.

Skjelbred not coming... probably no surprise...