The Prophet

It's an own goal isn't it?

The injuries to Tielemans, McGinn, Kamara and Watkins are pretty brutal.

Waiting five minutes to have a goal chalked off for a barely fractional offside, the beautiful game.

VAR

The ball clearly goes out mind.

Embarrassing stuff from Cash. Tremendously thick from Schade.

There might be a middle ground between being plucky losers and picking up unsustainable points.

If we'd got absolutely battered from start to finish and somehow come away with an undeserved points, you wouldn't be bothered?

What's your previous username brother?

What was it?

In terms of player sales, who at present are our "untouchables"?

It could make for a more bareable read for sure.

I'm just joining in man. If you could remind us again how bad the summer market was after the next negative result that'd be class.

I know this is a wild take, but is it all possible that a quality goal, quickly followed by an absolute sickner, completely knocked the stuffing out of a physically and mentally tired side?

I've read people say "4-3-3 is just the headline, there's more to tactics than that" but they're wrong. Sure, we might rotate personnel, we might regularly alter our off the ball structure, we might have tried a few things with the full backs in attack of late, we might change the shape of the midfield three, we might be showing signs of improvement keeping the ball and the players might regularly talk about different patterns of play, but it's always 4-3-3!

Love to see this lot catching strays after a poor result, in fact, where is the Ross Wilson thread...

2 poor performances in 32 games. He'll never be elite with that sort of form.

If you put aside, Thiaw being class for most of the season, Ramsey starting to look the part and signing one of the most promising strikers in Europe, it was a total bust. The great news is even if Elanga is improving, I've already written him off and both strikers have struggled a bit of late so I get to revel in just how bad the summer was again. Same again next week?

Agreed. If be can't do in his second ever attempt with the 8th biggest wage bill in the league, he never will.

We are incredibly brittle these days.

Botman "isn't 100%"

Honestly man, if you ignore the heaps of discussion about him, you're not allowed to criticise Howe on here. Is it too much to ask for a perfect, elite manager. Unai perhaps?

We're definitely improving at keeping the ball.