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If Ben Jacobs wasn't such a wet wipe, i'd think about a thread title change.

"Nature of their rebuttal" In my head we just sent them this gif:

What is it with you and getting people to name and list things? Getting people to do that doesn't really prove anything.

Howay, lets not compare ourselves to Madrid, they're a rancid club that behave despicably, like fuck do I want us to start operating like them.

I've seen the phrase "Downed Tools" so much in the last few pages, it feels like its lost all meaning It does make me wonder where the etymology of that phrase has come from, has some worker in Ancient Egypt just put down his chisel and walked off into the desert never to be seen again?

Its one place away mate

That Hope article feels very much "Slow news day, better put something else out there thats negative, can't let them numbers drop".

That must be why Antonio Cordero decided to choose us over Real Madrid and Barcelona. Such absolute nonsense

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I'm genuinely curious, what do you class as "Failure to progress off the pitch" as other than this transfer window, which has been poor, they've done a fair amount, just off the top of my head, they've radically reformed our academy set-up and youth recruitment, they completely transformed the training ground, they've increased revenue above 30% year on year, all the while navigating rules that where put in place to specifically block us from developing. I'm not saying its all been sunshine as rainbows, and there lack of communication can be irritating, and things have felt cold since Amanda left, but I do find it a bit odd that too a few people there has been a re-writing of history that they are suddenly bad owners, when in my head the last 3 years have been best times i've had of following club in my lifetime.

Ultimately the club and the owners of it are the ones that appointed Howe and the signed the players at the club, and enabled them to put in the performances they have, so they deserve a fair amount of the credit for getting us into the Champions League and a cup final win. I personally do think that while there are issues behind the scenes that clearly need to be ironed out, mainly the appointment of a CEO and Sporting Director, I do think a lot of it has been blown way out of proportion, and the media has whipped up the fanbase into a frenzy because its the summer and there isn't a whole lot to talk about.

Oh boy yet another deer has come onto the range for @Rich to snipe.

Well yeah, i'm not saying they shouldn't, people have a right to post what they want, but people have to also realise that the constant "This is terrible, we're terrible, everything is a shambles" after every non-update (which this absolutely was) can be tiring in the extreme, and people are going to get annoyed and frustrated them posts.

But like, wasn't the update "Man United are interested and are also at the negotiating table" that was basically it? I get we've been burnt this summer, but the constant catastrophising really needs to stop like, its way over the top.

Why is everyone doom spiraling again?

Willock looks proper fucked here.

Our 7th choice keeper is on.

Ironic, given he's probably been the shittest of our players today.

Poor Krafth, he doesn't look human

Was that not just a blatant pen on Tonali?

Pope's goal-kick then

Our touches have been so heavy, even players like Tonali have barely been able to control the ball. I'm not sure if its the conditions, the pitch, or the ball, but literally everyone of them is doing it.