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11 minutes ago, Ben said:

The BBC have an article on Evertons 777 takeover, they are fucked, money is owed everywhere and the solution is to borrow more from loads of different places, what a fuckin mess, relegation could be the finish for them, even if they stay up all of their best players will have to go.

This is obviously false, FFP is the great protector which stops clubs from going bust. 

I think we need to make a distinction here; FMV is only a thing for related party transactions, anything which isn’t related party would be deemed FMV by default.  
 

So, although Fabinho was an overpay in my opinion, in actuality he went for his actual value which was what some mug was willing to pay. 
 

For ASM, his transfer with obviously influence by FMV, but with that being said, we didn’t get any better offers. 

Just now, 80 said:

Mainly happy for Isak's sake. Hope Wilson can come back and show he's still got it.

Me too, we need him to shine so can we cash in. 

3 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Coe in their pocket. City’s ground is world class and has had public funding. Nothing further required for Manchester, thanks.

Aye, giving Manchester another tax payer funded stadium has to be an absolute no go in the eyes of any government. It makes literally no sense and provides tax payers with zero value. 

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

Fair play, that's an unexpected boost. 

Aye, can play the last 20 minutes when Isak is tired. 

1 minute ago, macphisto said:

To name a few:

Stadium sponsor 

Training ground sponsor

Training ground kit sponsor 

All of which we will get the most from a related party deal. We simply don’t have the same pull as the big 6. When the premier league was booming we were relevant for one season. The rest we were scratching around almost getting relegated. 

Just now, macphisto said:

I'm not missing any point, my original post was replying to the idea that FMV is killing us when there is nothing to support that argument. There are plenty of other avenues available for money to be channelled into the club that haven't been exploited by related 3rd parties. 

Which other avenues? You think anyone was offering more than say Sela or Noon?

Just now, macphisto said:

But we don't have a FMV stadium sponsor, tractor partner or training ground sponsor. 

 

It doesn't make sense to suggest that because we can't hyperinflate our deals under FMV that we decide to go the other extreme and not have any at all. 

 

You mention Dummett for £50 million. I'm sure we could sell Fraser, Hayden, Ritchie, etc for £5 million per player under FMV but we haven't. 

 

Why are we afraid scrutiny @Abacus? What do you think they are afraid of? Try to get double the money for ASM and if it's not allowed then kick-up a bit of a fuss and eventually end up at a figure that's accepted at FMV. 

Your missing the point, we could have though, the point tcd is making is inflated sponsors would occur via linked parties, nobody in the right mind would give us such valuations. 
 

If anything our owners have shown they are extremely happy to play ball, to me it appears we are a legit investment for them and not a PSG or a city. 

Just now, Abacus said:

Chelsea have said they had two independent quotes to show that the value of the hotel was fair. From what I read, that still needs to be approved (or at least did, when the accounts were submitted).

 

It does slightly beg the question as to why they didn't just do that and sold it to their own owner instead, but hey, I'm no cynic. 

 

What I do find interesting is that these are an "ESL 6" club, and instead of it just being waived through, it's more and more clear that either the PL are wary of being challenged on how fair they are, or that there are divisions between them.

Because they’ve doubled dipped, they’ve sold the hotel for that sweet sweet FFP boost but kept the revenue stream by giving the club the management contract. 
 

It’s just another demonstration of the rules being utterly broken. 

13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

City built during FFP largely still. They didn't have to deal with FMV which is really killing us.

 

The bolded has largely always been the case.

 

One thing about UEFA FFP/PSR that I don't understand. Why were Milan banned from Europe for that 1 season but PSG have never been banned?

To add on, PSGs losses (inclusive of related party inflated sponsors) total 600m euro over the last 3 years. 
 

Being in the club is fantastic. 

Just now, Jack27 said:

somebody make it make sense 

Basically we can’t spend anything under the new rules we would have to sell unless we can increase our revenue. 

21 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

A rare interating listen from Talksport.

Thanks for sharing this, your absolutely right a very rare 13 mins well spent with talk sport. 
 

no wonder they just keep spending with abandon though, especially if they are just going to flip none football assets to the owners to cover any shortfall. 
 

FFP for you but not for me. 

Kelly and Tosin are no brainers. 

Mgw would be stupid expensive. 

He was exceptional in what should have been an extremely difficult game for him, massive performance. 

2 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

Loaned out next season.

Hopefully not, we can’t be spending so much of our budget on players and loaning them out, we need him up to speed and contributing 

4 minutes ago, STM said:

Given what we've seen today with Gordon on the right....

 

Do we need a RW? 

 

Just wondering what people think going forward. Even if Barnes is injured, Anderson or Joelinton could play out on the left.

Hard to say, against teams which aren’t totally mental he won’t get half as much space as he was afforded against Kamikaze ange. 

The actually funniest thing about this is the media reporting about how cheap wage wise these signings were, wage bill

Massive win that, all credit in the world to the lads and the Gaffa in particular, made them look average.

Also, it's glorious to watch such a high risk game plan be punished so brutally. 

This ref can get fucked blatant yellow. 

I could be wrong here but the only reason we would need to move on a temporary basis would be either a total rebuild or renovation on a massive scale? With those factors considered I wouldn’t spend too much time thinking about playing at the SOL

Just now, Froggy said:

 

The worst thing is people acting like we expect a discount.  All because Ratcliffe said it's asburd someone as good as Ashworth sitting in his garden for a year, which he's absolutely right in saying. That doesn't translate to, "give him to us now for fuck all."

 

If you follow the reputable sources, we are more than happy to wait if it the financial package requested is too high, which it currently is. He likely won't be in place by the summer, and the expectation is that he'll start after the window and you'll still receive more than double what you paid Brighton.

 

It's all fair enough, unless you read rags and decide to get worked up over nothing.

Froggy, your sir Jim basically tried to make us look like mugs with his relentlessly stupid public statements, I get it though, he’s your savour so your impression will differ. 
 

Now, our demands are set by us, what we gave Brighton have no bearing on anything, ultimately your clubs past behaviour has and how you’ve handled this affair means we should give you absolutely no leeway and he can sit in his garden until January. 

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s afternoon here in Australia.  But the time of day hasn’t impacted my doom mongering  

Aye, I’ve just had a satisfying lunch here in Singapore as well. But ditto on the time of the day having no bearing on my assessments.

and again, just to be clear I’d like nothing more than to be totally wrong  

4 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

The doom duo going strong this morning I see 

Good morning to you Mr Hopium. 

1 hour ago, cubaricho said:

Y’all need to get over Ashwoth. He gone. 

Absolutely Cuba, I don’t think anyone is in denial are they? I think what most are saying is don’t entertain giving those arrogant fucks any form or discount and let him wait until January.