Rod

Could have should have? You've convinced me.

Pray tell who you think the best England manager was. Because you imply both of them. Whichever one you pick is wrong anyway. They were both hopeless as England managers. Still think Sven was a freak free-kick away from bringing that World Cup home with him like. A decent manager would have been there or thereabouts. So frustrating I agree. Sven was shit!

I forgot, silly me. No school tomorrow for you is there, if at all sadly.

Pray tell who you think the best England manager was. Because you imply both of them. Whichever one you pick is wrong anyway. They were both hopeless as England managers. Better then Hodgson better then Southgate You're 16 years old aren't you? AH that classic line! far from it sadly! so u think Southgate/Bruce are better then Fabio/Sven? Have you followed this thread at all or have you just got out of bed (teenager trademark)? I can't stand Bruce as a manager. Just look at my posts. I will explain in simple terms, just for you. Sven and Capello were highly regarded managers at their time when appointed as the England boss. I'm not disputing that at all. Where they failed MASSIVELY was in the England role. Southgate, in my opinion is way above his station and tactically immature in the ways of International football. We (England) should have a far better manager. Does that answer your question? Now go to bed.

Pray tell who you think the best England manager was. Because you imply both of them. Whichever one you pick is wrong anyway. They were both hopeless as England managers. Better then Hodgson better then Southgate You're 16 years old aren't you?

Pray tell who you think the best England manager was. Because you imply both of them. Whichever one you pick is wrong anyway. They were both hopeless as England managers. Come on Rod, they weren't crap. They have faults for sure, but you can't say they were crap. Samp, I'm thinking that I'm a lot older than you (now hold on, don't start losing it again). You have looked at Wikipedia probably. Honestly, I haven't even glanced at it. I don't need to cause I remember the fraud that Sven was and Capello (just remembered his name) was not much better. Yes they both would manage winning runs against Malta, Estonia etc but were found out against the big boys. A bit much like now actually. What made it so frustrating was that we did have great/very good players around at that time so we should have done much much better. However poor management came charging through. Right, I'm off to look at wiki.

Luke Edwards is a joke tbf. Absurd last sentence. Samp, everyone is terrified to respond to you now, oh no! Look what you made me do. Bruce has had nothing to do with the takeover. Edwards is stupid for suggesting it. Samp, lighten up man. Do you want a hug?

Pray tell who you think the best England manager was. Because you imply both of them. Whichever one you pick is wrong anyway. They were both hopeless as England managers.

Luke Edwards is a joke tbf. Absurd last sentence. Samp, everyone is terrified to respond to you now, oh no! Look what you made me do.

Cheers Griggs. They were both crap FOR ENGLAND. Is that better?

Mattoon, I wish I could explain myself like that. I thank you. Do you think that samp gadgey will ever come to his senses?

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand. There you go again quoting numbers. Using your method I could convince you that Sven Goran Eriksson was a great England manager, when every man and his dog knew he was crap. The same for the Italian England manager (forgot his name). They were both disastrous but I bet their stats are remarkable. Do you get my drift? Anyhoo, it's MY opinion that Bruce is terrible and you think he's ......... ok. Nobody has died, now run along.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually.

Jesus! I Know it's lockdown and all that but give this group a chance eh? How about some positive vibes or feedback other than sarcastic comments such as these.

He is like.

Exactly this! One of the worst full backs I've seen at Newcastle.

It's exactly this. "Have you got loads of money"? Yes "You're in then".

You want to try the at what cost thread. Your stereotypical Football supporters have changed quite a bit. Unless it’s just on here? It IS just on here! Nowhere else is influenced by some of the weird comments that appear on that thread. Reading that thread convinces you that all the evils in the world have been (will be) caused by our Takeover. It is feeble, to put it mildly. It's funny you say that because most of the people I know in real life, including a woman I work with who's been going to matches since the mid '80s, are dead against the takeover or just as conflicted about it all. I don't think it's fair to judge the support overall because it's just as it's been for the entire time I've been supporting the club - split. You want to try the at what cost thread. Your stereotypical Football supporters have changed quite a bit. Unless it’s just on here? It IS just on here! Nowhere else is influenced by some of the weird comments that appear on that thread. Reading that thread convinces you that all the evils in the world have been (will be) caused by our Takeover. It is feeble, to put it mildly. It's funny you say that because most of the people I know in real life, including a woman I work with who's been going to matches since the mid '80s, are dead against the takeover or just as conflicted about it all. I don't think it's fair to judge the support overall because it's just as it's been for the entire time I've been supporting the club - split. I always find when I talk to people with views like yours (in real life) that NOTHING that I or anyone else says to them ever sinks in, but the same type of self-assured words come back at me, time and time and time again. I should not have responded, as I knew what I would get back. This is the end of our conversation. We didn't even start to have one in the first place and I'm not sure what I said to make you think any of that tbh, but suit yourself. kisearch, go fuck yourself.

I asked the very same thing months ago. The replies were very childish with no substance or evidence of their hatred towards him.

That’s not true though is it? Yes, it is true. Having spent time there with work (our company has since disinvested, some macro reasoning but also based on valuations), I have spoken to tens if not hundreds of people in their twenties and thirties in Riyadh who are open, global and good people who have studied outside Saudi and want to see and be part of it become a more open and tolerant society, while also being fiercely proud of their country and their religion. Saudi Arabia has a million miles to go to become close to being as progressive and advanced in certain areas as they could and should be if held to Western standards, but if you genuinely think they aren't moving forward in this regard when you look at generational trends, then you've not looked beyond headlines in the last few years. By way of a very obvious example, last time I was there several meetings with big banks and the regulator were led by females. Something this simple was inconceivable until fairly recently. Are they trying to use sports to improve their global standing and become more integrated in the western world? Absolutely. Does this make me feel uncomfortable when associated with my team? In some ways it does, in others I'm fairly accepting that this is cause and effect of broader society these days. Am I going to stop following / not attend games as a result? No, it means too much and it's been way too long since I've been able to truly enjoy watching Newcastle. If this comes off then it's mine and my dad's time to get to games and have some hope while he's still able. If it makes me a hypocrite so be it. It does get somewhat boring reading the standard left sided trope rolled out whenever it can be applied of Saudi (or US, or Israel) bad and evil without any balancing factors for the other sides involved in these proxy wars and nothing more than rudimentary understanding of the underlying centuries of religious and political discourse that have got the world to where it is. It becomes even more taxing watching it played out on a football forum. But such is life. Just a brilliant post.

? My wife and I were season ticket holders in the East Stand for 30 years until this season. I love the humour and understand what you are implying but we made some great mates in there. It's not that boring, honest (I once got warned/berated from a steward). Old school you see, hard as owt! ?

I actually feel the exact opposite. These morons received the season tickets FREE. They should be named and shamed or the season ticket holders/arseholes that "bought" them on their behalf should be named and shamed. I hate them for falling for the corrupt Ashley game he played. Mugs and idiots the lot of them! ?

That's just mad that like!

Nice words and very true. How this corrupt regime has brainwashed a lot of fans into accepting zilch ambition is beyond me. With or without this takeover, this club is massive and let no one tell you otherwise.

Cans of Fosters on the Christmas dinner table. They are complete tramps man! Did you see the state they left Trafalgar Square, disgusting.