Adam P

Hotel hairdryers too mate.

Of course there is no evidence Milan knew but i am convinced they did. All it takes is for the police to have a relationship with the football club for that information to be shared.

I am aware of that information, the police knew about the illegal gambling before August 2nd. Juventus denying they knew about Fagioli is basically stating that the police in Turin didnt tell them. Of course they did, this is Italy. The official investigation only starts after a period of time of evidence collection. That period is confidential and can last 18 months before an investigation starts. If the Public Prosecutor thinks the 'accusation' can stand up in court, an investigation is officially launched. So the police turning up to arrest the players marks the end of the first phase, not the start.

As soon as the information was in the hands of the police, the police will have told AC Milan what was happening. That's the 'working in Italy' insight.

Why would they say that? The argument put forward to me by them was that they had a choice of players to sell for similar money, there was no financial need to sell Tonali. Exactly what Milanista said on here. Italian investigations only start after a confidential pre-investigation period. The charges and accusations are consistent with a timeline well before the start of August, which was the date references in the Italian press as the start of the 'investigation'. You can add 3 months to that for when information was passed to the police for a potential official investigation.

Difficult to prove but absolutely nailed on. I was in a 'Milan pub' in Brussels for our Dortmund away game and spoke to loads of their fans. Every single one of them when asked laughed and said 'of course we knew'. Having worked in Milan and Rome in the 2010s regularly, there is nothing anyone can say to me that would convince me otherwise. Even a cursory knowledge of criminal investigation timelines and processes under Italian law pushes back the start of the 'pre-investigation' phase into the early summer.

Then we would have to sell Pope after he recovers or put an England international on the bench and spend 40m at the same time. Sure, when the time is right we need to invest in the next keeper but its not now.

Only a loan for a keeper makes any sense, spending money to cover Pope's injury make little footballing or financial sense.

Last night was a great result under difficult circumstances. Keeps us alive in the group. Got to be happy today even after the stinging pain last night.

Ramsdale is a better footballer than Pope. Pope's distribution and confidence with the ball at his feet can hinder our ability to break a high press by reducing the number of formation / position options in the set up. Creating the extra man to break the press can require the GK to act like a CB. If you tell me that Ramsdale is not that good with the ball at his feet i havent watched him enough to counter the point. That is a clear weakness in Pope's game though. His 3 kicks into touch aiming at Dan Burn's head a few weeks back were good examples.

The decadent bastards.

Shot on location in the customer bathroom of a knocking shop in Dortmund. Nice hairdryer for the record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases Someone add Arsenal fans to this list and hoy it on their subreddit.

No VAR at the game yesterday and the goal stands and the Arsenal lot would be clamoring for VAR. The circumstances yesterday were bizarre which unsurprisingly heightened the sense of controversy but at the end of the day not giving that goal would have been far more controversial.

If VAR had ruled out the goal based on the video evidence they had, it would be a bigger controversy. They would have had to have chalked off a goal that was given by the ref based on inconclusive evidence. That would have been an example of the worst use of VAR and an example of what it has been criticised for.

Is it just me that thinks Arteta is really arrogant? After their mid-week loss he said 'we will use this to beat Newcastle' after our win Eddie said 'we have to back this up with a good performance against Arsenal'. Backhanded with the 'he's had a lot of support and now they are contenders'. He spent 150m over the summer. The majority of our summer budget is in hospital or on the naughty step.

I think Adam P is an excellent communicator for his age, concise and clear when he talks about a game in the immediate aftermath which is a skill. His hairdryer / 3 star hotel room review commentary is peerless too.

With all due respect, i dont think they are the same thing at all. Transfers happen when the venn diagrams overlap. Proposing that Milan's motivations to sell Tonali dont add up, that their awareness of Tonali's involvement in betting through the Fagioli case and the supposition that Milan could therefore have been informally aware of a preliminary investigation before the summer does not in any way overlap with our ability to persuade someone of his stature to come. My point is merely that it is perfectly plausible that Milan did know. I have seen quite a few people dismiss this and it strikes me as utterly baffling that this would be considered implausible. If someone tells me that the FIGC were investigating Fagioli before the summer then i'd put money on it.

I hope he didnt tell them 'i bet you any money I get away with this'

I dont think thats in question, its more why were they prepared to sell him not how come we were able to buy him. Remember Milanista's absolute unquestionable confidence that no way would they want to sell him. There was never a proper explanation for why they did. This is the most plausible.

Its like the lab leak hypothesis. No pne knows for sure but howay man.

The idea that Milan didnt know about this when they sold Tonali may be true but it is very likely that the police and the club would have been in 'informal contact' as soon as the police were interested in the case. If the date of the investigation's initiation by the Italian police predates the transfer then the balance of probabilities for me says that the police and AC were in contact informally. Even if that date does not overlap, the key question is when did the Italian judiciary become aware that a crime may have been committed? The Fagioli case has been around for 4 months when that jailed Paparazzo came out with the claims in the press. If thats the date and Tonali's name was being discussed then then my bet would be AC knew about this. It would also be completely deniable and unprovable as there is zero chance anything would have been written down. I dont know if true obviously but if Tonali's name came up in the FIGC investigation into Fagioli then i reckon Milan knew about this before the transfer. The informal connections (police/club) that dominate Italian culture virtually guarantee this.

Brentford started it decades ago.

A strong preference for men over women was called something else when i was a kid. I am not saying Keegan is gay before anyone starts.