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I should ask then. How could we have improved that in the transfer window? I gave an example. That willock and Longstaff were starters. Buying tonali and Barnes moved them to the bench. Got tino as back up and hall, Now how were we not improved? And not well equipped for those CL games and league?

I beg to differ. Going into that Season we had a strong squad. And we were happy with our summer business. Our CM options where tonali, Bruno, Big Joe, Anderson, miley, longstaff and Willock. Willock and Longstaff were integral to us finishing 4th and were quality (back then) but were on the bench v Villa. We then had Pope, Krafth, burn, botman, Targett, Murphy, tonali, big Joe, willock, anderson, Barnes, Wilson out at the same time. That a whole 11. Can a recruitment team legislate for that? The team available was. Dubs tripps Lascelles schar tino miggy longstaff Bruno miley Gordon and Isak. Are those not two strong 11s? Without dummett, Ritchie, Hall etc.

What stated ambition was this and what time frame did they give and how far along are we on said time frame to this stated ambition?

The club executives have already given the reason why. Whether you accept it or not. They have told us the fans why they havent. And what they said is exactly what @et tu brute is telling you. Eales and Silverstone.

Your clutching at straws here mate. Tino and Hall weren't starters and weren't bought as starters but back up. Dummett and Ritchie were 3rd choices or 4th. That was a strong and decent squad.

Wilson was our top goal scorer the season before. Willock and Longstaff were main stays in our 4th place finish. We got tonali and Barnes. Moved big Joe to CM and tonali for longstaff. That is strengthening and squad building. The question for you is who wasn't trusted or viable?

This isn't true in anyway at all. How were we short ? We literally had 2 players in each position. Injuries is what hurt us. Not being short. We had 3 rbs 5 cbs 2 lbs 2 rws 2 lws 7 cms and 2 fws. Not to mention the keepers. How was that short?

This gets way more clicks though.

I agree, be patient and let the system collapse on itself.

We cant sell ourselves something we dont own. We collect the revenues but we dont own the Stack unfortunately.

Only problem would be that the club would have to buy the stack from it’s current owners first😂 I dont know why you and others think the club own the Stack.

They wanted 40 before, surely now they want 50.

Correct PSR and APT are probably gonna stick around somehow, even if Man City wins. The club needs to be smart, and we fans just gotta chill.

We were told by Wor Mandy in her very 1st interview that our aim is to be number 1 in 5 to 10 years. We are in year 4. So there is still time and a pragmatic approach is reasonable if you look back on those 4 years. I believe we are improving year on year in our revenue and success as a club. Because of this, I think they know what they doing and that number 1 will be achieved by year 10 imo, if you look at the trajectory of the club right now. From a fan perspective it is frustrating but from a business point of view it makes absolutely perfect sense, and the proof is in the pudding. Our revenue keeps growing hence our brand keeps growing as well. So am sure they know what they are doing.

I agree to an extent; because what you are suggesting is highly suspicious. The pple behind APT aren't mugs. These rules favour the cartel. Thats why I say the noises from the club on this, is to wait. Am pretty sure they would have weighed up you suggestion and decided not to push through with it (if we have thought it am sure they have)

They still fall under fair market Value. For an example spurs get 20 million for both training ground and kit sponsor, we will likely be approved half that or a third. We qualify again next season for the CL, do you think they will make it easy for us to renegotiate? From a business perspective will it not be better to wait till our value goes up. Its what the club has communicated to us fans. So I would say they obviously know the constraints involved, and have made a decision to wait. I will not be critical of that personal but I do understand why most would be. Remember good business coupled with ambition leads to sustainable success like Man City. Ambition without good business sense leads to Man Utd.

Thats the thing init. Spurs training ground and kit is 20 million a year. We would probably be allowed half that. As Eales and Silverstone said, we shouldn't undersell ourselves atm by rushing into sponsorship deals. We should grow our brand and then sell ourselves when the brand is at its peak. From a fan perspective we will say let take 10 million now and re negotiate later as the brand grows. From a business perspective that makes no sense whatsoever.

The Club, from Eales to Silverstone have told fans the club's position on this already.

Yep, that's what I was hinting at in my post, right? Without APT, we'd have better sponsorships, which means more money, and we'd be further along than we are now.

Alright fair play. However think about it like this. We went from being relegation fodder to playing in the Champions League in just two years. Then, we finished 7th and 5th, and even won a trophy, all while following the rules. We're so close to being a top team consistently challenging for the PL etc. A stone throws away. If APT wasn't a thing, wouldn't we be even further ahead? Considering where we are now with APT? That's the main point I'm trying to make, but I know it's all if and maybes as you said.

Yeah, it's true, being a one-club city with crazy fans, a huge stadium, and so much potential helped too. They've already spent a ton on Newcastle. We went from almost getting relegated to the Champions League in just two years! And that's even with some obstacles. Can you imagine if there weren't any of those financial rules and obstacles? We don't need Chelsea's 2 billion spend on players, but even a quarter of that, and we'd probably be in the top three, competing for the title. Thats why I disagree with what the others were saying earlier on.

You read or saw Mandy's reaction back then, yeah? She completely lost it with the cartel. It's clear that was the plan, right? If APT wasn't a thing, we could've had a front shirt sponsor worth a hundred million, which would've sorted our PSR situation. PSR's not the real problem, it's APT, and I reckon that's why City's taking the PL to court. We'd have been able to get the players we needed then, 'cause we'd have had loads of room. PIF are totally up for splashing the cash on us. You can see what the club's saying too. "We'll spend as much as we can to the limit." We did that, and then some. Maybe they figured if you break the PSR, you just get a fine like what Uefa does, when Everton and Forest got points taken off. Eales even said "the rules have teeth" after that, we're being more careful. Its absolutely wrong to say they never really wanted to splash the cash. In my opinion that is.

I don't really think that's the whole truth. Yeah, PSR was a thing, but fair market value wasn't. APT, you know, Associated Party Transactions, that came in later. That's why Mandy went nuts on the Cartel. They thought they could get around PSR with massive sponsorship deals. I reckon it's wrong to say anything different.

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Do we own car parks in central London, do we own hotels in central london? we dont own our stadium and our womens team value is low. What else can we sell for a price that will impact positively on our PSR? The most valuable things I.e womens team is not that valuable at the moment. What other options do you know? You might not want to admit it, but our Club at the moment is in transition, and the value of our assests are not at the level of Chelsea. To be honest. You come across as an ultracrepidarian. I think thats why you vary and broaden your argument to a point where it doesn't make sense, ie you begin to waffle. Like I said, the club should wait to see what everyone else does and how UEFA handles Chelsea and Villa while figuring out their next move. It's not like things haven't been going well on the pitch. And yeah, like @STM said, morals are important. We wanna win the right way.