TRC Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Why would he not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 He's walked nearly everywhere it hasn't gone right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 It's the best job he'll get for the rest of his career. His last big chance. That's why we employed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Because it could well be his last chance at the big-time, having done very little to earn the opportunity. He has failed in everything he has done since the title at Twente. He'd be a maniac not to fight for this job to the very, very end. Plus his relationship with his employer is cushty as fuck. But now that he's in the job, you kinda have to put to one side the fact he should never have got it. The task is his and he's earned, by default, a go at it. I hold virtually no hope of him transforming the club into something I can fully get behind, but to call for the sack without having proved himself one way or the other is irrational, imo. And utterly futile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Fair enough. I'm just looking forward seeing how we do in the championship next season. Whether he stays or goes the whole club is fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 He'll never walk like. We'd better hope he turns this shit around in the next few weeks and months or I can see the hatred build to Carvdew levels once more quite quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I think he's a fairly honourable man who'd go if it was blatantly turning to shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 McClaren doesn't strike me as the money hungry content to collect a check type. Look at the jobs he's taken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 One thing I will say is that rejigging a side to start playing more from the back takes time (maybe that's where the 10 games comes from) and nearly always unless you are Rodgers and flip flop it produces results in the long term. This probably sounds hyper optimistic but I have seen fleeting signs of players trying to do things differently from the Pardew punts and pressing from the bad old days.... Quite a few times one of our CD's has brought the ball all the way past the half way line and played into rotating midfielders or wide to winger in space... It might not have time to work as we're all aware as games tick by and as others have mentioned McC is somewhat hamstrung by a few disenchanted players which must the nightmare of every manager. I'm not defending his other blunders but there seems to be some method to it all. Poor fucker he must really be trying to drum it into them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 He has a job set upstairs doesn't he? I think he'll walk and take the easy life if it gets too rough, Pardew and Carver were another level of delusional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 One thing I will say is that rejigging a side to start playing more from the back takes time (maybe that's where the 10 games comes from) and nearly always unless you are Rodgers and flip flop it produces results in the long term. This probably sounds hyper optimistic but I have seen fleeting signs of players trying to do things differently from the Pardew punts and pressing from the bad old days.... Quite a few times one of our CD's has brought the ball all the way past the half way line and played into rotating midfielders or wide to winger in space... It might not have time to work as we're all aware as games tick by and as others have mentioned McC is somewhat hamstrung by a few disenchanted players which must the nightmare of every manager. I'm not defending his other blunders but there seems to be some method to it all. Aye, but he just lost his bottle and fucked another decision by dropping Anita for Colback Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Yeah but we just don't have the players for a reliable and penetrative 4231. It turns into a 451 first sign of trouble. Couple this with the lack of leadership and intelligence on the pitch and you have a recipe for disaster. We don't have the really solid DM and Winj is finding it hard to penetrate the second line (go past the others covering mf)...Which it seems the plan is when they have the odd chance to make it work. Plus it looks like we have the wrong strikers for this, neither are mobile or have much real pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 One thing I will say is that rejigging a side to start playing more from the back takes time (maybe that's where the 10 games comes from) and nearly always unless you are Rodgers and flip flop it produces results in the long term. This probably sounds hyper optimistic but I have seen fleeting signs of players trying to do things differently from the Pardew punts and pressing from the bad old days.... Quite a few times one of our CD's has brought the ball all the way past the half way line and played into rotating midfielders or wide to winger in space... It might not have time to work as we're all aware as games tick by and as others have mentioned McC is somewhat hamstrung by a few disenchanted players which must the nightmare of every manager. I'm not defending his other blunders but there seems to be some method to it all. Aye, but he just lost his bottle and f***ed another decision by dropping Anita for Colback Playing Colback over Anita isn't some catastrophic decision. They offer the exact same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 If Taylor gets fit would people consider Mbemba as a DM? Physically he's basically twice as good as Colback or Anita, can carry the ball out on his own, is very comfortable on the ball and can make a forward pass. Not ideal by any means but could be a solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 One thing I will say is that rejigging a side to start playing more from the back takes time (maybe that's where the 10 games comes from) and nearly always unless you are Rodgers and flip flop it produces results in the long term. This probably sounds hyper optimistic but I have seen fleeting signs of players trying to do things differently from the Pardew punts and pressing from the bad old days.... Quite a few times one of our CD's has brought the ball all the way past the half way line and played into rotating midfielders or wide to winger in space... It might not have time to work as we're all aware as games tick by and as others have mentioned McC is somewhat hamstrung by a few disenchanted players which must the nightmare of every manager. I'm not defending his other blunders but there seems to be some method to it all. Poor f***er he must really be trying to drum it into them. It actually worked really well on one occasion against Watford that led to de Jong's chance. Mbemba carried it out and they pressed up 4 attackers. He played an incisive ball to Wijnaldum who took it on the turn and immediately ran at the gaps left. 3 passes and we were in a great position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 One thing I will say is that rejigging a side to start playing more from the back takes time (maybe that's where the 10 games comes from) and nearly always unless you are Rodgers and flip flop it produces results in the long term. This probably sounds hyper optimistic but I have seen fleeting signs of players trying to do things differently from the Pardew punts and pressing from the bad old days.... Quite a few times one of our CD's has brought the ball all the way past the half way line and played into rotating midfielders or wide to winger in space... It might not have time to work as we're all aware as games tick by and as others have mentioned McC is somewhat hamstrung by a few disenchanted players which must the nightmare of every manager. I'm not defending his other blunders but there seems to be some method to it all. Poor f***er he must really be trying to drum it into them. It actually worked really well on one occasion against Watford that led to de Jong's chance. Mbemba carried it out and they pressed up 4 attackers. He played an incisive ball to Wijnaldum who took it on the turn and immediately ran at the gaps left. 3 passes and we were in a great position. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 One thing I will say is that rejigging a side to start playing more from the back takes time (maybe that's where the 10 games comes from) and nearly always unless you are Rodgers and flip flop it produces results in the long term. This probably sounds hyper optimistic but I have seen fleeting signs of players trying to do things differently from the Pardew punts and pressing from the bad old days.... Quite a few times one of our CD's has brought the ball all the way past the half way line and played into rotating midfielders or wide to winger in space... It might not have time to work as we're all aware as games tick by and as others have mentioned McC is somewhat hamstrung by a few disenchanted players which must the nightmare of every manager. I'm not defending his other blunders but there seems to be some method to it all. Aye, but he just lost his bottle and f***ed another decision by dropping Anita for Colback Playing Colback over Anita isn't some catastrophic decision. They offer the exact same thing. they really don't EDIT: and the point is more that anita was clearly central to his 'playing from the back' style and he dropped it at the first sign of trouble for colback who simply isn't as good in that role Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 If Taylor gets fit would people consider Mbemba as a DM? Physically he's basically twice as good as Colback or Anita, can carry the ball out on his own, is very comfortable on the ball and can make a forward pass. Not ideal by any means but could be a solution. Worth a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I still don't think we'll go down, but we'll very likely be within spitting distance of the relegation zone all season. Things will get better because things can't get much worse than the last two performances, which were abject. He really, badly needs to get the squad motivated. There have been glimpses so far, particularly against Southampton and ManU (which weren't terrible results), of organisation and drive. But it seems the piece of shit preseason, four winless games, two dismissals and the badly-timed international break have severely damaged a mentally weak squad. I'm not absolving them by any means, because those were two appalling performances, but 'everything is terrible and shit forever and we are relegation fodder' is not the reason for those two results imo. We've got an imbalanced, somewhat disinterested squad that are feeling sorry for themselves - and an average manager who probably doesn't quite fit in terms of style and methodology. But we've also got some talent, here and there, that is capable of playing okay football and picking-up results. He just needs to settle on a system that provides some organisation and get the players motivated again. Then we'll be laughing all the way to 14th place. We need a couple of results, basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 If Taylor gets fit would people consider Mbemba as a DM? Physically he's basically twice as good as Colback or Anita, can carry the ball out on his own, is very comfortable on the ball and can make a forward pass. Not ideal by any means but could be a solution. Worth a try. has to be worth considering to try and get us to january so we can buy one or until taylor gets injured immediately obvs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Support from the second line doesn't arrive quick enough for the 4141 and clearly Cisse doesn't understand it (the striker first move should be toward the ball and he runs away from it). The 433 with one holding is the only way I can see of us creating chances with one wing/f told to come inside to make the 2 and the other available for crossing positions. Would have worked with Hatem and Abeid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 One thing I will say is that rejigging a side to start playing more from the back takes time (maybe that's where the 10 games comes from) and nearly always unless you are Rodgers and flip flop it produces results in the long term. This probably sounds hyper optimistic but I have seen fleeting signs of players trying to do things differently from the Pardew punts and pressing from the bad old days.... Quite a few times one of our CD's has brought the ball all the way past the half way line and played into rotating midfielders or wide to winger in space... It might not have time to work as we're all aware as games tick by and as others have mentioned McC is somewhat hamstrung by a few disenchanted players which must the nightmare of every manager. I'm not defending his other blunders but there seems to be some method to it all. Aye, but he just lost his bottle and f***ed another decision by dropping Anita for Colback Playing Colback over Anita isn't some catastrophic decision. They offer the exact same thing. they really don't EDIT: and the point is more that anita was clearly central to his 'playing from the back' style and he dropped it at the first sign of trouble for colback who simply isn't as good in that role They really do. They offer very little consistent presence and very little in the way of passing range, they're both a bit pointless. If anything, the best thing they do when they drop back is allow more space for Colo and Mbemba to distribute. The latter has more zip in his passing than Colback and Anita combined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Pointless even discussing Cisse iyam. There's disinterested then there's taking the piss. Done with him now, I do wish we'd binned him and signed Austin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I still don't think we'll go down, but we'll very likely be within spitting distance of the relegation zone all season. Things will get better because things can't get much worse than the last two performances, which were abject. He really, badly needs to get the squad motivated. There have been glimpses so far, particularly against Southampton and ManU (which weren't terrible results), of organisation and drive. But it seems the piece of shit preseason, four winless games, two dismissals and the badly-timed international break have severely damaged a mentally weak squad. I'm not absolving them by any means, because those were two appalling performances, but 'everything is terrible and shit forever and we are relegation fodder' is not the reason for those two results imo. We've got an imbalanced, somewhat disinterested squad that are feeling sorry for themselves - and an average manager who probably doesn't quite fit in terms of style and methodology. But we've also got some talent, here and there, that is capable of playing okay football and picking-up results. He just needs to settle on a system that provides some organisation and get the players motivated again. Then we'll be laughing all the way to 14th place. We need a couple of results, basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Mbemba often ignores the easier shorter pass and plays the more challenging ball forward to a player to start an attack. He's actually quite impressive on the ball and with the ball. Want to see him take it on more like Jan Vertonghen (sp?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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