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Newcastle United's international representation compared to other clubs


James

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I'm sure that people can pick holes in the logic and assumptions, but please bear with this:

 

Assume that the best players currently plying their trade in the proffessional game are the 600+ players who feature fairly regularly for one of the Top 25 ranked nations in the world.

 

Assume the quality of these players is determined by their nations points score in the world rankings, ie Tevez = 1520, Arshavin = 856.

 

Domestic clubs are entered into a ranking system based on the scores accumulated by their players, for example Werder Bremen score 10,481 as:

 

Diego Brazil 1518

Mertsecraker Germany 1264

Fritz Germany 1264

Frings Germany 1264

Borowski Germany 1264

Almeida Portugal 1131

Klasnic Croatia 1044

Sanogo Ivory Coast 870

Rosenberg Sweden 862

 

 

Where do you reckon Newcastle will feature in the World Rankings based on this scoring system? And where would they feature if the rankings only included English clubs? I know the answers by the way both with and without Rozehnal and Emre, but I'm interested to observe people's assumptions on this first.

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Ok then...

 

In the World:

 

50th with Roz and Emre

96th without

 

In England:

 

9th with

18th without

 

Acceptable or not?

 

We need to see where you're getting this from James.

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I've done the maths, two or three national teams a day.

 

The players are either in their current or most recent national squads, or are absent due to injury or being rested.

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:lol:

 

I'm doing a course next year that needs lots of maths and Excel, so I have been working out of maths textbooks doing self designed excel projects for a short time each day to help me do this kind of stuff quicker and better next year.

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We are now longer a world famous club, if at all, we are well known for having a poor team and having crap seasons for the past few years.

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Pretty interesting. Could you post up how many 'points' we have? And who are the teams ahead of us?

 

1 Chelsea 21277

2 Real Madrid 19930

3 Barcelona 19425

4 AC Milan 16301

5 Inter Milan 16090

6 Man Utd 14125

7 Bayern Munich 14020

8 Liverpool 13677

9 Arsenal 13552

10 Lyon 12768

11 Werder Bremen 10481

12 HSV 10316

13 Juventus 9086

14 Panathanaikos 9017

15 Galatasaray 8869

16 Tottenham Hotspur 8681

17 Aston Villa 8568

18 Benfica 8532

19 Man City 8504

20 Steaua 8310

21 Portsmouth 7797

22 Stuttgart 7587

23 Sevilla 6948

24 Roma 6789

25 Valencia 6423

26 Schalke 6354

27 Celtic 6347

28 Atletico Madrid 6276

29 Villareal 5813

30 CSKA Moscow 5798

31 Nuremberg 5784

32 Marseille 5630

33 Lokomotiv Moscow 5516

34 Getafe 5445

35 Beitar Jerusalem 5430

36 Fenerbache 5290

37 Spartak Moscow 5244

38 Betis 5236

39 Zenit St. Petersburg 5136

40 Rangers 4917

41 Porto 4913

42 Leverkusen 4734

43 Udinese 4711

44 Frankfurt 4624

45 Feyenoord 4492

46 Dinamo Bucharest 4328

47 Libertad 4285

48 Deportivo 4275

49 Sporting 4250

50 Newcastle 4203

 

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Pretty interesting. Could you post up how many 'points' we have? And who are the teams ahead of us?

 

1 Chelsea 21277

2 Real Madrid 19930

3 Barcelona 19425

4 AC Milan 16301

5 Inter Milan 16090

6 Man Utd 14125

7 Bayern Munich 14020

8 Liverpool 13677

9 Arsenal 13552

10 Lyon 12768

11 Werder Bremen 10481

12 HSV 10316

13 Juventus 9086

14 Panathanaikos 9017

15 Galatasaray 8869

16 Tottenham Hotspur 8681

17 Aston Villa 8568

18 Benfica 8532

19 Man City 8504

20 Steaua 8310

21 Portsmouth 7797

22 Stuttgart 7587

23 Sevilla 6948

24 Roma 6789

25 Valencia 6423

26 Schalke 6354

27 Celtic 6347

28 Atletico Madrid 6276

29 Villareal 5813

30 CSKA Moscow 5798

31 Nuremberg 5784

32 Marseille 5630

33 Lokomotiv Moscow 5516

34 Getafe 5445

35 Beitar Jerusalem 5430

36 Fenerbache 5290

37 Spartak Moscow 5244

38 Betis 5236

39 Zenit St. Petersburg 5136

40 Rangers 4917

41 Porto 4913

42 Leverkusen 4734

43 Udinese 4711

44 Frankfurt 4624

45 Feyenoord 4492

46 Dinamo Bucharest 4328

47 Libertad 4285

48 Deportivo 4275

49 Sporting 4250

50 Newcastle 4203

 

 

Hardly surprising that we are behind the likes of Villa and Portsmouth, in fact, 50 seem a bit high for us.

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Can't deny that position of teams like Everton and Steau Bucharest don't make this a perfect league table, but the best squads have a good core of international players, surrounded by a bunch of veterans, fringe players and youngsters.

 

We certainly don't have that core, and compared to us being the 13th richest club in the world (Forbes) this is nowhere near acceptable, as we don't have the players that match our riches.

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How much of each team's squad did you include in your calculations? 16 players? 25?

 

Varied slightly from club to club depending on injuries/provisional squads/players getting rested. No less than 22, no more than 28. Generally the larger nations had the slightly larger squads.

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Isn't that biased towards the bigger clubs?

 

Just checking from soccerbase but Man Utd had only 21 players who play a 'significant' (my definition) amount of games last season.

 

Generally, your method is sound. There are a few unavoidable flaws, but the rankings do make intuitive sense.

 

It'd be better if you could give each player in the national squad points to a 'degree' i.e. if they started 80%+ of games in the past 2 years, you give them the full points total, 60-80%, you downgrade the points a bit etc. In this way you'll be able to incorporate how 'important' each player is for their national team and that should be a good way of measuring their 'quality'. If you know what I mean.

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This is certainly a good post. Nothing speaks better than statistics.

 

To branch off James' wonderful data and narrow it down to English clubs only:

 

1  Chelsea  21277

6  Man Utd  14125

8  Liverpool  13677

9  Arsenal  13552

16  Tottenham Hotspur  8681

17  Aston Villa  8568

19  Man City  8504

21  Portsmouth  7797

50  Newcastle  4203

 

It looks like we have quite a bit to do there.

 

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It'd be better if you could give each player in the national squad points to a 'degree' i.e. if they started 80%+ of games in the past 2 years, you give them the full points total, 60-80%, you downgrade the points a bit etc. In this way you'll be able to incorporate how 'important' each player is for their national team and that should be a good way of measuring their 'quality'. If you know what I mean.

 

Easier said than done. Even is Taylor27 did it many will still complain !!

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Surprised to see  Panathanaikos & Galatasaray up near the top.

 

Without digging out the info myself, I struggle to think of famous internationals they have. Unless they have their suads  packed with Greek or Turkish internationals - whch is logical

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Pretty interesting. Could you post up how many 'points' we have? And who are the teams ahead of us?

 

1 Chelsea 21277

2 Real Madrid 19930

3 Barcelona 19425

4 AC Milan 16301

5 Inter Milan 16090

6 Man Utd 14125

7 Bayern Munich 14020

8 Liverpool 13677

9 Arsenal 13552

10 Lyon 12768

11 Werder Bremen 10481

12 HSV 10316

13 Juventus 9086

14 Panathanaikos 9017

15 Galatasaray 8869

16 Tottenham Hotspur 8681

17 Aston Villa 8568

18 Benfica 8532

19 Man City 8504

20 Steaua 8310

21 Portsmouth 7797

22 Stuttgart 7587

23 Sevilla 6948

24 Roma 6789

25 Valencia 6423

26 Schalke 6354

27 Celtic 6347

28 Atletico Madrid 6276

29 Villareal 5813

30 CSKA Moscow 5798

31 Nuremberg 5784

32 Marseille 5630

33 Lokomotiv Moscow 5516

34 Getafe 5445

35 Beitar Jerusalem 5430

36 Fenerbache 5290

37 Spartak Moscow 5244

38 Betis 5236

39 Zenit St. Petersburg 5136

40 Rangers 4917

41 Porto 4913

42 Leverkusen 4734

43 Udinese 4711

44 Frankfurt 4624

45 Feyenoord 4492

46 Dinamo Bucharest 4328

47 Libertad 4285

48 Deportivo 4275

49 Sporting 4250

50 Newcastle 4203

 

How the hell did your work out those points?  Looking at the Arsenal team there are 5 players whowould be lucky to score a point under you criteria (assuming I've understood it correctly).

 

 

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Silva Brazil 1518

Fabregas Spain 1323

Lehmann Germany 1264

Rosicky Czech Republic 1244

Gallas France 1205

van Persie Holland 1123

Walcott England 1098

Eduardo Croatia 1044

Song Cameroon 1005

Vela Mexico 988

Toure Ivory Coast 870

Eboue Ivory Coast 870

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Surprised to see  Panathanaikos & Galatasaray up near the top.

 

Without digging out the info myself, I struggle to think of famous internationals they have. Unless they have their suads  packed with Greek or Turkish internationals - whch is logical

 

Yeah, a few teams like those two and Steau and Villa to a lesser extent seem to sweep up a lot of local internationals.

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