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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6076112.stm

 

Mother spared jail for baby death

 

A mother who started a fire in which her four-month-old son died has been spared jail at Newcastle Crown Court.

 

Danielle Wails had claimed she was tied up by intruders who started the fire at her Newcastle home in August 2005.

 

She denied the murder of Alexander Gallon but her guilty plea to infanticide was accepted at Newcastle Crown Court.

 

The 22-year-old was given a three-year community order with a period of supervision and other requirements.

 

Paul Sloan QC, prosecuting, said the opinion of two psychiatrists was that the balance of her mind was disturbed when the incident occurred.

 

Consultant psychiatrist Adrian East told the court he was satisfied Wails was suffering from post-natal depression and had been diagnosed with the symptoms in the months before the killing.

 

On Monday, the court heard Wails had started the fire in the Cowgate area of Newcastle to try to win back the baby's father Robert Gallon, from whom she had split after a series of rows.

 

The court heard Wails had claimed she was not supported by health and social services staff but records showed she had missed some appointments and that efforts to contact her had proved futile.

 

Wails told people that Alexander was ill and needed hospital treatment, which proved to be lies.

 

After Alexander's death, it emerged Wails had bombarded Mr Gallon and his family with phone calls and texts in a reconciliation bid.

 

Mr Sloan said: "There were many other false claims. It would seem that the underlying purpose behind these false claims was to win back her partner's sympathies and support.

 

"She was also bombarding people with calls to find out where Robert Gallon was. She clearly wanted him to return to her."

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PND is a well established condition and its been the cause of a seteady stream of tragedies over the years

 

TBH the docotors should brief expectant mums and their famillies more on it  so people can see what is happening and maybe react or ask for help in time

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6076112.stm

 

Mother spared jail for baby death

 

A mother who started a fire in which her four-month-old son died has been spared jail at Newcastle Crown Court.

 

Danielle Wails had claimed she was tied up by intruders who started the fire at her Newcastle home in August 2005.

 

She denied the murder of Alexander Gallon but her guilty plea to infanticide was accepted at Newcastle Crown Court.

 

The 22-year-old was given a three-year community order with a period of supervision and other requirements.

 

Paul Sloan QC, prosecuting, said the opinion of two psychiatrists was that the balance of her mind was disturbed when the incident occurred.

 

Consultant psychiatrist Adrian East told the court he was satisfied Wails was suffering from post-natal depression and had been diagnosed with the symptoms in the months before the killing.

 

On Monday, the court heard Wails had started the fire in the Cowgate area of Newcastle to try to win back the baby's father Robert Gallon, from whom she had split after a series of rows.

 

The court heard Wails had claimed she was not supported by health and social services staff but records showed she had missed some appointments and that efforts to contact her had proved futile.

 

Wails told people that Alexander was ill and needed hospital treatment, which proved to be lies.

 

After Alexander's death, it emerged Wails had bombarded Mr Gallon and his family with phone calls and texts in a reconciliation bid.

 

Mr Sloan said: "There were many other false claims. It would seem that the underlying purpose behind these false claims was to win back her partner's sympathies and support.

 

"She was also bombarding people with calls to find out where Robert Gallon was. She clearly wanted him to return to her."

 

There's a failure in the system which has been tragically identified here (for me anyway)

 

She missed appointments and was diagnosed with PND? Nobody thought it was priority to chase her up?

 

Her ex is just as much to blame, knowing she was ill and leaving her with a baby, idiot, and now he pays too.

 

Tragic, but she shouldn't be in prison and really the question should be aimed at those who did not chase this up, did they do enough morally and to the letter of the law, and if so, should the law be changed? ie, issue a warrant for her arrest.

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So easy to blame the social workers. Always the scapegoats in cases like this. Not that I'm excusing from any neglect of duties as Toon's Taylor has pointed out already - but honest to God, their job isn't one I'd wish upon my worst enemy.

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She's fucked anyway, just seen the news and the people in her area are less than impressed, or remotely sympathetic.

 

What does Dave think about this, by the way?

 

Initially I was outraged but your first post is most agreeable thinking about it.

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I knew a lass who got drugged up and set her flat ablaze. Her and her mate got the foam out of her settee and started a little fire.

 

Got a community order because she was 'depressed'. Never too depressed to spend her big disability cheque on the piss a few nights a week, though.

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at the end of the day, there always some crimes where I just think, seriously, as if that person was in their right mind to have done such a thing, that they need to be tried in the normal way

 

 

what you do fucking do with them I have no idea though.

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Aside from the f***ing hopeless shortcomings of the agencies involved, and of course the oft-wrong psychiatrists, the thought of Danielle Wails having further children worries me gravely. Post-natal depression is widely recognised but in this case the condition became a vehicle for the destruction of an innocent young life.

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She's fucked anyway, just seen the news and the people in her area are less than impressed, or remotely sympathetic.

 

What does Dave think about this, by the way?

 

He was sitting on the fence waiting to see what his superiors thought about it.

 

Ouch! You're so cutting!

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Aside from the f***ing hopeless shortcomings of the agencies involved, and of course the oft-wrong psychiatrists, the thought of Danielle Wails having further children worries me gravely. Post-natal depression is widely recognised but in this case the condition became a vehicle for the destruction of an innocent young life.

 

she looks like a right chav ....................

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Some people might advocate a hysterectomy for her as one precautionary measure, but God only knows how her already questionable temperament would react to her child-bearing gadgets being removed.

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Well obviously having now had time to mull it over, I think her punishment should have been to be tied to a sofa by a bunch of toddlers and then they could have set it alight. See how she liked that...

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Well obviously having now had time to mull it over, I think her punishment should have been to be tied to a sofa by a bunch of toddlers and then they could have set it alight. See how she liked that...

 

Clearly sitting on the fence waiting to see what your superiors thought about it.

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Well obviously having now had time to mull it over, I think her punishment should have been to be tied to a sofa by a bunch of toddlers and then they could have set it alight. See how she liked that...

 

Clearly sitting on the fence waiting to see what your superiors thought about it.

 

My superiors? There's no such thing. bluebigrazz.gif

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I forgot to answer Dave's initial question. No, community service isn't enough. GeordieMessiah's idea is good to go!

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