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Chuffed to bits at the following news.  It should put paid to the stupid hours I've been doing at work.  I'm a complete hypocrite though as in my last job when I got overtime for anything over 36 hours we always complained that we couldn't work as many hours as we wanted.  Still, if the cap fits and all that...

MEPs have voted to ban people in Britain from choosing to work more than 48 hours per week – a "bitter pill to swallow" for UK businesses.

 

Members of the European Parliament voted earlier today (5 November) to axe the opt-out clause from the Working Time Directive, meaning that some three million workers who currently choose to work more than 48 hours a week would be forced not to do so.

 

A final decision will be reached in December by the whole of the European Parliament, but today's vote to scrap the opt-out by the Employment and Social Affairs Committee is likely to sway opinion.

 

Liz Lynne, Liberal Democrat MEP, vice-president of the European Parliament's committee, said: "Today's vote plays politics with people's pockets and runs the risk of sinking the government's hard-won deal to retain the opt-out. Scrapping the opt-out would be a bitter pill to swallow for businesses and many hard-working people who are tightening their belts and who want to boost their earnings in difficult economic times."

 

Lynne said that prime minister Gordon Brown now faced a "huge test of his leadership" in securing the support of his own Labour MEPs, who have consistently voted to remove the UK's opt-out of the 48 hour week.

 

Lynne added that health and safety reasons were no excuse to scrap the opt-out. "Workers are already covered by existing health and safety legislation, including the one covering working with dangerous machinery."

 

Earlier this year, the UK reached an agreement with other member states whereby Britain would support the Agency Workers Directive, giving temporary workers the same pay as permanent staff after only 12 weeks in a job, in return for being allowed to keep its opt-out from the 48-hour week. Socialist MEPs have now overturned this deal in the European Parliament.

 

John Cridland, CBI deputy director-general, said: "Some people want to work longer hours, some people don't. The opt-out gives them a choice."

 

The CBI believes that MEPs must respect the deal, carried out in June, and rejects calls to amend the working time text.

 

Business secretary Peter Mandelson has vowed to stand firm to protect the opt-out.

 

He said: "The decision by the Employment Committee is not surprising in the least."

 

"To lose the ability to opt-out will mean workers cannot boost their earning potential when some are already struggling with high food and energy prices. Adding new rigidities to the labour market when employers are suffering under the credit crunch also risks losing jobs to China and India – who are focusing on Europe as US demand falters," he added.

 

http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2008/11/05/48203/meps-vote-to-axe-working-time-directive-opt-out.html

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nothing new really. it is only getting rid of the option to work more. also some jobs still aren't covered by it.

 

It'll have a big effect on me like.  I had to sign the opt-out as a condition of being given this job.  I think it's illegal to make that a condition of employment but I thought what the hey.  I've soon regretted that after working 60-75 hour weeks for no extra pay than my standard 50 hour contract.

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Don't we work the most hours per week in Europe?

 

Apparently, aye.  We're the only country in the EU that has the opt-out I think.  I don't reckon Gordon Brown will want us to work less with the state of the country at the moment though.

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nothing new really. it is only getting rid of the option to work more. also some jobs still aren't covered by it.

 

It'll have a big effect on me like.  I had to sign the opt-out as a condition of being given this job.  I think it's illegal to make that a condition of employment but I thought what the hey.  I've soon regretted that after working 60-75 hour weeks for no extra pay than my standard 50 hour contract.

 

"Standard 50 hour contract" - madness - try and get another job mate.

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Can't individuals employees 'choose' to opt out? And by choose, I mean pressured by the employer. I've got it pretty good with working hours where I am now, but my old place really f*cked with your social life. I clocked up over 400 hours of unpaid overtime in 12 months before handing in my notice. I was an idiot for not walking sooner.

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There's people at my place regularly doing 70+ hour weeks.

 

I think its a good thing to ban it tbh.

 

It should be up to people to make a decision on how many hours they work.  I haven't been paid overtime for years but have still put the hours in that I wanted to work and still will as I'll fiddle my hours if I have to.  I'll just make it look as if I've worked less by forgetting to clock in.  Having laws to protect people who don't want to work the long hours is exactly what should happen.  Restricting people who want to work long hours is shite and could cause financial problems for low paid workers who have to work long hours to get a decent wage.

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There's people at my place regularly doing 70+ hour weeks.

 

I think its a good thing to ban it tbh.

 

It should be up to people to make a decision on how many hours they work.  I haven't been paid overtime for years but have still put the hours in that I wanted to work and still will as I'll fiddle my hours if I have to.  I'll just make it look as if I've worked less by forgetting to clock in.  Having laws to protect people who don't want to work the long hours is exactly what should happen.  Restricting people who want to work long hours is s**** and could cause financial problems for low paid workers who have to work long hours to get a decent wage.

yes and no.

 

i've known mnay places where if you didn'tagree to  work ridiculous overtime you were either first out or denied promotion etc

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In Holland they reckon you are incompetent if you work more than the regular work period - they work bloody hard when they are at

their desks but come 17:00 it's all out

 

In this they are different to Canadians who sit around and do bugger all each day but when the clock ticks to that last minute it's like the start of a greyhound race............  Whoooosh .... and in a minute all that is left is a bit of dust moving in the office lighting

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There's people at my place regularly doing 70+ hour weeks.

 

I think its a good thing to ban it tbh.

 

It should be up to people to make a decision on how many hours they work.  I haven't been paid overtime for years but have still put the hours in that I wanted to work and still will as I'll fiddle my hours if I have to.  I'll just make it look as if I've worked less by forgetting to clock in.  Having laws to protect people who don't want to work the long hours is exactly what should happen.  Restricting people who want to work long hours is shite and could cause financial problems for low paid workers who have to work long hours to get a decent wage.

 

Completely agree. I rely on overtime to have a decent wage at the end of the month. Not sure if this directive will cover the health service but if it does then the NHS is fucked basically.

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There's people at my place regularly doing 70+ hour weeks.

 

I think its a good thing to ban it tbh.

 

It should be up to people to make a decision on how many hours they work.  I haven't been paid overtime for years but have still put the hours in that I wanted to work and still will as I'll fiddle my hours if I have to.  I'll just make it look as if I've worked less by forgetting to clock in.  Having laws to protect people who don't want to work the long hours is exactly what should happen.  Restricting people who want to work long hours is s**** and could cause financial problems for low paid workers who have to work long hours to get a decent wage.

 

Completely agree. I rely on overtime to have a decent wage at the end of the month. Not sure if this directive will cover the health service but if it does then the NHS is f***ed basically.

what about those who don't want to work the overtime but feel threatened into it ?
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There's people at my place regularly doing 70+ hour weeks.

 

I think its a good thing to ban it tbh.

 

It should be up to people to make a decision on how many hours they work.  I haven't been paid overtime for years but have still put the hours in that I wanted to work and still will as I'll fiddle my hours if I have to.  I'll just make it look as if I've worked less by forgetting to clock in.  Having laws to protect people who don't want to work the long hours is exactly what should happen.  Restricting people who want to work long hours is s**** and could cause financial problems for low paid workers who have to work long hours to get a decent wage.

 

Completely agree. I rely on overtime to have a decent wage at the end of the month. Not sure if this directive will cover the health service but if it does then the NHS is f***ed basically.

what about those who don't want to work the overtime but feel threatened into it ?

 

As Mick said, there should be laws for people that feel forced into it, but also the ability to opt-out.

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There's people at my place regularly doing 70+ hour weeks.

 

I think its a good thing to ban it tbh.

 

It should be up to people to make a decision on how many hours they work.  I haven't been paid overtime for years but have still put the hours in that I wanted to work and still will as I'll fiddle my hours if I have to.  I'll just make it look as if I've worked less by forgetting to clock in.  Having laws to protect people who don't want to work the long hours is exactly what should happen.  Restricting people who want to work long hours is s**** and could cause financial problems for low paid workers who have to work long hours to get a decent wage.

 

Completely agree. I rely on overtime to have a decent wage at the end of the month. Not sure if this directive will cover the health service but if it does then the NHS is f***ed basically.

what about those who don't want to work the overtime but feel threatened into it ?

 

As Mick said, there should be laws for people that feel forced into it, but also the ability to opt-out.

many were forced to opt out by the threat from employers .

 

 

fwiw i work an avearge 35hr week but that may mean some weeks 25 some 45(to a maximum of 70). i am contracted to work 4 hrs per week overtime,saturdays and sundays and bank holidays (excluding xmas day,boxing day) are all part of the working week. i do regular 6 days on and i ver rarely have the same start time,finish time or job lenght 2 days off the trot.

 

 

my job is exempt from the time directive

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