Guest LucaAltieri Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Natural beauty. Real world epics. The wonders of the universe unpoluted by dogma and the supernatural. One of my personal favourites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfwY2TNehw Quote by Carl Sagan. Video by some random youtuber. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Fucking brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I like that Luca. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I like that Luca. Makes me realise that I am stupid to be annoyed that I have ran out of chocolate digestives becasue really, it is as insignificant as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I34FNr_peUk Perhaps not "secular spiritualism" but still fucking epic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Spot on, people get angry at stupid things, when in reality it is nothing. We are a tiny little dot in an endless nothing. It is our home, you wouldn't go over to a freinds and trash it so why the earth ? I'm not sure who said it but someone theorised that we would never find a intelligent life from would could travel to us because, once a race gets powerful enough they just kill each other. Religions have done some good, but killing others off in the name of god is simply stupid. Killing someone else is stupid non-stop really, the sad point of it is that most major technologies come from armed forces research. Luca could you define secular spiritualism for me I have an idea but I'm not sure if it is correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I don't think anyone has ever gone to the trouble of giving it an exact definition but from my reading of Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris my interpretation is this: Many people believe in a God or a higher power/force because they have experienced something spectacular. There are many awe-inspiring events. For me personally, it's thinking about how massive and beautifully bizarre the universe is. For other people it might be the effects of hallucinogenic drugs or locking themselves in a cave for 40 days. It might be that feeling you get when you look out over a landscape. There are many experiences that can have a profound effect on the way you feel or view the world. These sorts of experiences often to get linked to a god or some other supernatural event. There are people who use certain kinds of drugs that believe it brings them closer to god. There are entire religions based around the principle in South America and it has enjoyed some more recently popularity in the first world thanks to the likes of Bill Hicks. Many atheists and agnostics are dismissive of the importance of such things because of the religious overtones to it. Secular spiritualism is just a label to describe the ability to accept the importance of these experiences and profound effects they can have without making the illogical jump to "God musta dun it." I may be reading them totally wrong but that's how I've always understood it. wow =/= god That and a general appreciation of the natural world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Oh just wait until Haz gets on here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I've seen him gaze at this a couple of times. He's not interested. There's no one to argue with. This is a positive thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Yea I agree I've seen quite a few things that have blown me away, though the sheer scale of the universe tops them all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Excellent thread, Luca. Is this what Zaphod Beeblebrox watched in that tiny room on Magrathea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Natural beauty. Real world epics. The wonders of the universe unpoluted by dogma and the supernatural. One of my personal favourites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfwY2TNehw Quote by Carl Sagan. Video by some random youtuber. Really puts things in perspective, the real trick is keeping it there. How many of us will still manage to get irate, or even angry, at some really trivial inconsequential thing before the day is over. Should watch that every morning as a routine for promoting sanity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Excellent thread, Luca. Is this what Zaphod Beeblebrox watched in that tiny room on Magrathea? Might read those again, it's been such a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I don't think anyone has ever gone to the trouble of giving it an exact definition but from my reading of Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris my interpretation is this: Many people believe in a God or a higher power/force because they have experienced something spectacular. There are many awe-inspiring events. For me personally, it's thinking about how massive and beautifully bizarre the universe is. For other people it might be the effects of hallucinogenic drugs or locking themselves in a cave for 40 days. It might be that feeling you get when you look out over a landscape. There are many experiences that can have a profound effect on the way you feel or view the world. These sorts of experiences often to get linked to a god or some other supernatural event. There are people who use certain kinds of drugs that believe it brings them closer to god. There are entire religions based around the principle in South America and it has enjoyed some more recently popularity in the first world thanks to the likes of Bill Hicks. Many atheists and agnostics are dismissive of the importance of such things because of the religious overtones to it. Secular spiritualism is just a label to describe the ability to accept the importance of these experiences and profound effects they can have without making the illogical jump to "God musta dun it." I may be reading them totally wrong but that's how I've always understood it. wow =/= god That and a general appreciation of the natural world. bizzarely it's that line of thought that makes me an atheist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I don't think anyone has ever gone to the trouble of giving it an exact definition but from my reading of Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris my interpretation is this: They're just about as bad as the religious right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I don't think anyone has ever gone to the trouble of giving it an exact definition but from my reading of Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris my interpretation is this: They're just about as bad as the religious right. This is discussed in countless other threads so I'd prefer to keep it out of this one. Do a quick search, there are plenty of them on here. Each one conclusively showing that you are wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Fuckin hell that VY Canis Majoris star thing is almost as big as Vidukas gut! Epic scale, we are so insignificant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Fuckin hell that VY Canis Majoris star thing is almost as big as Vidukas gut! Epic scale, we are so insignificant. we are and we aren't. if i die tomorrow the whole entire universe ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Fuckin hell that VY Canis Majoris star thing is almost as big as Vidukas gut! Epic scale, we are so insignificant. we are and we aren't. if i die tomorrow the whole entire universe ends. Does that mean I have to postpone my assassination attempt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Fuckin hell that VY Canis Majoris star thing is almost as big as Vidukas gut! Epic scale, we are so insignificant. we are and we aren't. if i die tomorrow the whole entire universe ends. Does that mean I have to postpone my assassination attempt? i knew i shouldn't have told her i'd upped my insurance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Fuckin hell that VY Canis Majoris star thing is almost as big as Vidukas gut! Epic scale, we are so insignificant. we are and we aren't. if i die tomorrow the whole entire universe ends. Does that mean I have to postpone my assassination attempt? i knew i shouldn't have told her i'd upped my insurance. What!?! She never told me! Perhaps hiring that sniper rifle won't turn out to be such a waste of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 A simple act of kindness is still the most beautiful thing in the world to witness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I don't think anyone has ever gone to the trouble of giving it an exact definition but from my reading of Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris my interpretation is this: They're just about as bad as the religious right. This is discussed in countless other threads so I'd prefer to keep it out of this one. Do a quick search, there are plenty of them on here. Each one conclusively showing that you are wrong. Point made. Good one. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I don't think anyone has ever gone to the trouble of giving it an exact definition but from my reading of Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris my interpretation is this: They're just about as bad as the religious right. This is discussed in countless other threads so I'd prefer to keep it out of this one. Do a quick search, there are plenty of them on here. Each one conclusively showing that you are wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 A simple act of kindness is still the most beautiful thing in the world to witness. stop it with the spot-on insight. you'll lose your reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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