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people see me and think i hate israel due to my race. i was born into a muslim family, but saw the light in my late teens and am now totally anti-religion. my kids are taught morals by me and my wife, and not by any fucking book someone made up thousands of years ago.  so i am coming from a humanitarian viewpoint, not a muslim one.

but i wanna cry, i wanna scream. these israeli fuckers are racist biggots.

the worst thing is that the whole world knows it but is too scared to say it because of what happened in nazi germany.

the current isreali regime is just as bad as the nazis. no concentration camps? no, just one big open air one.

and reading comments  left on news sites by my fellow countrymen breaks my heart.

i'm with HTT on this one.

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I understand your pain and anger, man. The injustice of it all is infuriating. But I think it's very important to differentiate ourselves from the vicious hasbara. The peaceful call for the dismantling of the apartheid regime through BDS is still the best way imo. I feel that calling for the erasure of Israel just undermines our argument and gives fuel to the hasbara bots.

There is some hope, albeit just a spark. For the first time in my life, a not-insignificant number in one major party is speaking out against Israel's apartheid state. What is depressing is that the limousine Democrats are stupidly fracturing their coalition over this when fascism is still in our backyard. 

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21 minutes ago, huss9 said:

people see me and think i hate israel due to my race. i was born into a muslim family, but saw the light in my late teens and am now totally anti-religion. my kids are taught morals by me and my wife, and not by any fucking book someone made up thousands of years ago.  so i am coming from a humanitarian viewpoint, not a muslim one.

but i wanna cry, i wanna scream. these israeli fuckers are racist biggots.

the worst thing is that the whole world knows it but is too scared to say it because of what happened in nazi germany.

the current isreali regime is just as bad as the nazis. no concentration camps? no, just one big open air one.

and reading comments  left on news sites by my fellow countrymen breaks my heart.

i'm with HTT on this one.

I agree, cuntbuckets the lot of them. I was going to say the same that people think we can't call them out after ww2 and maybe that's why they are like they are.  Their outlook is fucked and we do nothing about it.  Maybe it's like paedos or sex offenders, a lot of them were abused as children. 

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listen to one of yer own ffs.
 
Yes, and how many years must a mountain exist
Before it is washed to the sea?
And how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, and how many times can a man turn his head
And pretend that he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind
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I'll tell you. The Israeli power structure absolutely loves it when people call for their erasure. What better rationalization?

McConnell the undead amphibian just said, "If Hamas lays down their arms, the war is over. If Israel does, it no longer exists." This is the type of vile horse shit we are dealing with. I am just not terribly convinced that it is constructive to feed it.

On another note, Hamas accounts for half of the years of the formation of Israeli. Yet given the rhetoric, you'd think Israel formed in a desperate bid to protect the Jews from the Hamas troll living under the bridge. 

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1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

I'll tell you. The Israeli power structure absolutely loves it when people call for their erasure. What better rationalization?

McConnell the undead amphibian just said, "If Hamas lays down their arms, the war is over. If Israel does, it no longer exists." This is the type of vile horse shit we are dealing with. I am just not terribly convinced that it is constructive to feed it.

On another note, Hamas accounts for half of the years of the formation of Israeli. Yet given the rhetoric, you'd think Israel formed in a desperate bid to protect the Jews from the Hamas troll living under the bridge. 

some clever evil cunts out there.

or are they just thick fuckers?

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So 14 of the 15 countries in the UN Security Council want to issue a statement condemning Israel, guess which country is VETOing that from happening?

Also, Turkey just said Israel is a terrorist state committing genocide (ironic coming from Turkey, but still) and the US condemned Turkey.

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4 minutes ago, BlufPurdi said:

They're going to ruin themselves over this. Absolute cowards. 

Are they arsed for the potential tap on the wrists?

Have read and heard a few bits that having gangs on the streets of Israel itself looking for vengeance is a huge step in their direction for Bibi and the lads too.

Feel a bit embarrassed for the small amount of Israeli lefties trying to pretend their populace don’t want this despite the vast demonstrable evidence to the contrary.

If a minor nation like Myanmar/Burma is able to act like they have without any major consequence then I think it only highlights the lack of chance owt will happen. 

And while the security council / UN is a good thing it’s at the behest of national political and financial interests.

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It's true we'll not get much through the UN, it's simply that pressure needs to applied to the US so the aid to Israel is conditional. Unfortunately, Biden is on record as basically saying he doesn't give a shit about Palestine and it's not a cause worth losing political capital over. I really do take back what I said about him being a leader. Very good domestically, much of the same on foreign policy, the usual cowardice. 

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1 minute ago, BlufPurdi said:

It's true we'll not get much through the UN, it's simply that pressure needs to applied to the US so the aid to Israel is conditional. Unfortunately, Biden is on record as basically saying he doesn't give a shit about Palestine and it's not a cause worth losing political capital over. I really do take back what I said about him being a leader. 

Again you wonder if it’s only ever going to be to seen as a vote losing exercise over there, to the worlds embarrassment, but I think it’s a coin toss landing on its side scenario for him to positively intervene.

Likewise Bibi is playing him.

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He's not wrong in that it'll cost him a lot of political capital, but right is right, and this 70 year long wrong has gone on long enough. Trump risked things when he went ahead with the embassy move, show some fucking bottle. Show us you're a world leader, show us that America is 'back', show us this diplomacy you talk of being back. Do something different you old fake irish cunt.  

It's not even like we're saying abandon Israel, it's just put a few conditions on the aid, and stop the atrocities. You can keep pretending rockets being fired is the most horrendous act a country has ever face, but at least it might stop Israel, you know, committing war crimes like every single fucking day. No one's arguing that they have a right to defend themselves, but they don't have a right to randomly bulldozer homes, or evict arabs and put Israeli jews in there. 

It's also the best chance inthe US for change, as there are vocal supporters for the change, and they're people that really do cut through. John Oliver would not have said what he did had AOC not had the balls to say it the day before. There's a change coming, and Biden could ride it like he did the election, but he's either a coward, or one of the delusional Israel nuts that can't see right from wrong. 

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11 minutes ago, BlufPurdi said:

It's true we'll not get much through the UN, it's simply that pressure needs to applied to the US so the aid to Israel is conditional. Unfortunately, Biden is on record as basically saying he doesn't give a shit about Palestine and it's not a cause worth losing political capital over. I really do take back what I said about him being a leader. Very good domestically, much of the same on foreign policy, the usual cowardice. 

Stupidly, in one way they are losing plenty of political capital. They are fracturing the party, and leaving an open goal for the fucking fascists among us. The limousine democrats are proving just that, and ignoring the sea change happening within the party. This is Washington Generals level shit, and all for an "ally" who once attacked one of our own ships, and who has gleefully committed espionage against us.

 

 

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Since when have the democrats cared about the left of the party? 

they will always favour corporate interests.

 What we will likely see is Israel continue this assault until Bibi is secured and then slowly back out with the US taking credit for the withdrawal. 
 

Politics as usual, consequences don’t exist for these people so everything is just a game. 

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They've had to take notice since there's been a resurgent left in the party, 'the squad' for want of a better term. They don't carry as much clout as the corporate dems, but they can cause a lot of trouble and clearly have had influence on the administration up until this issue. 

Definitely right that that's what's likely to happen though. But we shouldn't act like Dem presidents don't try. Obama clearly went against the wishes of Israel and Bibi on a regular basis, Bill Clinton was the president closest to securing genuine peace. Even in fairness to Bush, he made Sharon pull Israelis out of Gaza. Things can be done, it's down to the person in power and Biden is found wanting on this, he's letting his dem predecessors down and pretty much just continuity Trump on the issue. 

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This is the first time in living memory that a large swathe of Democrats have actually spoken out...something like 25 in the House. That is not insignificant by any stretch of the imagination. It is not politics as usual. The limousine democrats may still retain most of the power, but they are playing a dangerous game with the progressive bloc, a much larger one than it has been in a long time, if they continue on the old path.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BlufPurdi said:

They've had to take notice since there's been a resurgent left in the party, 'the squad' for want of a better term. They don't carry as much clout as the corporate dems, but they can cause a lot of trouble and clearly have had influence on the administration up until this issue. 

Definitely right that that's what's likely to happen though. But we shouldn't act like Dem presidents don't try. Obama clearly went against the wishes of Israel and Bibi on a regular basis, Bill Clinton was the president closest to securing genuine peace. Even in fairness to Bush, he made Sharon pull Israelis out of Gaza. Things can be done, it's down to the person in power and Biden is found wanting on this, he's letting his dem predecessors down and pretty much just continuity Trump on the issue. 

oh shit, you pretty much beat me to the punch.

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I mean it’s the US who hold the power in that relationship not Israel. 
 

And the unspoken US policy is clearly slowly kick the Palestinians from there homes and do it without a fuss. 

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Ignore the thumbnail etc, and the dude can be a bit shouty, but this is a great video.

The story in the middle is heartbreaking :( 

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But hamas were hiding under his bed....

Stupid IDF fucks know exactly what they are doing, targeting medical professionals. Bibi needs to go to the Hauge for this. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57148580

 

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Without warning, an Israeli air strike destroyed the four-storey building in the Gaza Strip where Dr Ayman Abu al-Ouf lived early on Sunday.

The doctor, who was head of internal medicine at the Palestinian territory's main hospital, was killed along with 12 members of his extended family.

They included his mother and father, his wife Reem, and their 17-year-old son Tawfik and 12-year-old-daughter Tala.

"This is a really big loss not just for us personally because we knew Ayman - this is also a loss for his patients and students," Dr Ghaith al-Zaanin, a close friend and former colleague who lives in Canada, told the BBC.

As well as being in charge of internal medicine at al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City, Dr Abu al-Ouf oversaw its response to the coronavirus pandemic.

He supervised the treatment of an entire ward of people with severe Covid-19 in a place where there are few specialists in respiratory illnesses.

He also trained students from two local medical schools.

"To get someone as qualified as Ayman, you need at least 10 to 15 years of training," said Dr Zaanin, who named his own daughter Tala after his friend's.

"He dedicated his life to helping other people and treating patients, as well as to teaching our new generation of physicians. I would say he was the most kind-hearted and compassionate person I have ever seen in my life," he added.

Dr Abu al-Ouf had left the hospital only around an hour before the strike that levelled his home on Gaza City's al-Wahda street, which is lined with apartment buildings and shops.

The Israeli military said it had "struck an underground military structure" belonging to the militant group Hamas, which controls Gaza, beneath the street. "The underground foundations collapsed, causing the civilian housing above them to collapse, causing unintended casualties," it added.

Dr Abu al-Ouf was buried under the rubble for almost 12 hours, but was alive for five to six hours, according to one of the doctors he trained, Haya Agha. His father's body was only recovered 48 hours after their home collapsed.

"No-one believed that he was dead until a doctor in the hospital sent us a picture of his body," Dr Agha told the BBC.

"His death is a catastrophe," she added. "He took on the load of three or four doctors... and he was so hardworking that we thought he was invincible."

Dr Agha said Israeli strikes had also destroyed roads leading to the area and al-Shifa hospital, making it even harder for rescue teams to get there in time to save people that day.

Dr Abu al-Ouf's 15-year-old son Omar is the only member of their family who survived the attack. He is currently being treated for his injuries and does not know that his parents and two siblings are dead.

Omar's brother Tawfik was in his last year of high school and dreamed of pursuing a degree in chemistry. His sister Tala's seventh-grade teacher said she had been an excellent student, interested in religious classes, and had liked to memorise the Quran.

Gaza's health ministry says at least 227 people, including 102 children and women, have been killed in Israeli strikes since the hostilities between Palestinian militants and Israel began on 10 May. In Israel 12 people, including two children, have been killed in Palestinian rocket attacks, its medical service says.

The Israeli military says it has attacked only what it regards as military targets, and that it is doing its utmost to avoid civilian casualties.

 

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4 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

But Operation Bibi Immunity needs more time 

If rumours are true, he wanted to go on but was outnumbered by the rest of the cabinet. 

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