Stealing music

[Mowen]

Taking a slightly different tack to the Pirate Bay thread.

 

For people who 'steal' music - what's your justification for it? Do you even have a justification?

 

It's obvious why we all do it. It's easy and free and it doesn't feel like you'll get caught. It also doesn't feel like you're doing anything naughty. Do you try (or even succeed) to convince yourself it's ok?

[Syrette]

When I can afford to I try and 'reimburse' the artists via gig tickets, merch, buying stuff direct for them. I can do that in the knowledge that they'll see a reasonably healthy portion of the money, although I'm sure a lot of the artists I like won't get enough from gigs due to production costs etc (that and I just don't like much popular music so a lot of the artists I listen to struggle financially).

 

I can't stop listening to new music just because I'm generally pretty skint these days (there are some albums that were released last year that I have to get, and won't download as I want the physical product and will wait till I can afford it).

 

There isn't a great deal of money in it at all for the artists anyway if I go order a CD from somewhere like Amazon or buy it from the high street from somewhere like HMV.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I never download any music except through official channels, I just think it's wrong.

 

I do have a few albums on iTunes that I've borrowed from friends/family, so I'm not perfect I suppose.

 

My view is it's completely out of order, and I'm on the side of any record company who takes a case to court.

[kingkerouac]

Everyone involved in the music business (apart from the creators/musicians) is taking far, far too much out of the industry.

So before we start accusing downloaders/file sharers, let's have a good hard look at the cunts at the top of this 'business' who do nothing and take a fuckofalot.

 

[kingkerouac]

Musicians get less than 10%. In what other business would the creator/originator of a product take the smallest share of the pie?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Musicians get less than 10%. In what other business would the creator/originator of a product take the smallest share of the pie?

 

I agree with that completely, but surely if I steal the music the artist is getting 0%?

[kingkerouac]

Do these court cases, where monies are recovered from convicted file sharers, end up with this money being paid back to the musician/originator, or does it go towards the bonus of some home counties shitheel with his cock planted firmly up David Cameron's arse?

Just wondering...

[Nobody]

It's wrong but I will keep doing it, no need for any justification.

[kingkerouac]

I agree with that completely, but surely if I steal the music the artist is getting 0%?

 

If you steal from a thief, are you really/morally guilty of stealing?

[Pilko]

For every good, decent, honest type band, there are money grabbing cunts like Winehouse and that posh cunt Ronson.

 

I do it because I can't afford to pay £0.79 a fucking track, thankyou very much iTunes.

[Northerngimp]

Its the talentless money men involved in the music industry who are they theiving cunts.

[Rich]

If an album is really that good, I'll buy it. However, I certainly couldn't justify spending hundreds and hundreds of pounds on albums.

 

Most of the time I just want individual songs rather than albums (and have bought a fair few singles through iTunes), but for stuff I just listen to now and again I'll download the album.

 

I don't feel guilty to be honest, got to look after number one.

[Mowen]

When I can afford to I try and 'reimburse' the artists via gig tickets, merch, buying stuff direct for them. I can do that in the knowledge that they'll see a reasonably healthy portion of the money, although I'm sure a lot of the artists I like won't get enough from gigs due to production costs etc (that and I just don't like much popular music so a lot of the artists I listen to struggle financially).

 

I can't stop listening to new music just because I'm generally pretty skint these days (there are some albums that were released last year that I have to get, and won't download as I want the physical product and will wait till I can afford it).

 

There isn't a great deal of money in it at all for the artists anyway if I go order a CD from somewhere like Amazon or buy it from the high street from somewhere like HMV.

 

That's roughly the justification I used (all but stopped downloading music now I've got a job and a bit of money, still borrow/share CDs a bit though). Didn't sit as easily as I wanted it to though.

 

The bolded line is the out of order one really. I could do with a car, but I'm not going to nick one because I can't afford it.

 

And whilst I agree that it's out of order the artists don't get enough, why does that make it right to steal from the record company? I don't like Tesco, but that doesn't mean I steal clothing from them just beacuse the people who made it get paid so little.

 

It's a hard one to call.

[Syrette]

Musicians get less than 10%. In what other business would the creator/originator of a product take the smallest share of the pie?

 

I agree with that completely, but surely if I steal the music the artist is getting 0%?

 

The real money for them as far as I know is in gigs and selling stuff direct. Selling via stores is more about the amount of times stock must be replenished as opposed to the actual monetary value to the artists of one CD sold, I guess. But that obviously means that whilst one person choosing to download for free wouldn't really hurt the artists, several people doing so would.

 

Do I feel bad about download music? In a way I do, but when I have money I tend/ed to spend the majority of it on music. It's my first love, even more than football, so I want to support the artists as much as possible (especially when like I said most of them aren't major acts outside of their own scenes, and in many cases are underground in them too). As I mentioned if I can do this in a way where I feel comfortable knowing that the money will go more directly towards them then I try to do that too, although sometimes it's just a lot easier to get it from Amazon or whatever.

[Mowen]

It's wrong but I will keep doing it, no need for any justification.

 

Most honest post in here by an absolute mile.

[Disco]

Wrote my dissertation on why people steal music...fuck me that was an experience i'm pleased i'll never have to repeat.

[Mowen]

For every good, decent, honest type band, there are money grabbing cunts like Winehouse and that posh cunt Ronson.

 

I do it because I can't afford to pay £0.79 a fucking track, thankyou very much iTunes.

 

There are loads of things I can't afford that I don't steal.

 

You do it because it's easy, doesn't feel like stealing and there's minimal risk of being caught.

[Syrette]

When I can afford to I try and 'reimburse' the artists via gig tickets, merch, buying stuff direct for them. I can do that in the knowledge that they'll see a reasonably healthy portion of the money, although I'm sure a lot of the artists I like won't get enough from gigs due to production costs etc (that and I just don't like much popular music so a lot of the artists I listen to struggle financially).

 

I can't stop listening to new music just because I'm generally pretty skint these days (there are some albums that were released last year that I have to get, and won't download as I want the physical product and will wait till I can afford it).

 

There isn't a great deal of money in it at all for the artists anyway if I go order a CD from somewhere like Amazon or buy it from the high street from somewhere like HMV.

 

That's roughly the justification I used (all but stopped downloading music now I've got a job and a bit of money, still borrow/share CDs a bit though). Didn't sit as easily as I wanted it to though.

 

The bolded line is the out of order one really. I could do with a car, but I'm not going to nick one because I can't afford it.

 

And whilst I agree that it's out of order the artists don't get enough, why does that make it right to steal from the record company? I don't like Tesco, but that doesn't mean I steal clothing from them just beacuse the people who made it get paid so little.

 

It's a hard one to call.

 

I didn't say it was right. But I don't set out to hurt anyone financially, and until recently I'd only do it to check a band out, often downloading one album or a few songs or whatever and then around the same time buying a physical product too.

[Pilko]

For every good, decent, honest type band, there are money grabbing cunts like Winehouse and that posh cunt Ronson.

 

I do it because I can't afford to pay £0.79 a fucking track, thankyou very much iTunes.

 

There are loads of things I can't afford that I don't steal.

 

You do it because it's easy, doesn't feel like stealing and there's minimal risk of being caught.

 

You're forgetting the 'everybody else does it' which is also a form of justification.

[Syrette]

It's wrong but I will keep doing it, no need for any justification.

 

Most honest post in here by an absolute mile.

 

No it isn't, I don't see anyone else not being honest. Of course by it's very definition it is wrong, I for instance am just explaining why I do it.

[Disco]

I have no qualms stealing music as CD's are a rip off and they were even more of a rip off when i used to buy them regularly (circa 97-02). If i like a band i will go and see them more often than not, can think of very few bands i really like that i've not seen which is where i believe the real money is for the bands as unless an album goes crazy platinum by the time they've paid back the record company and all the other hangers on musicians aren't left with too much money.

[Kasper]

As said, if I want to support an artist I buy some other merchandise than CDs/itunes tracks because that way the cunts at the music industry dont get such a huge slice.

 

Downloading iTunes track is almost the same as downloading it from The Pirate Bay. Artist gets pretty much the same amount of money...4 cents/0c. From cd's they get quite a bit more...

 

I've bought quite a lot of cds but I've also downloaded a lot. I love owning the actual cd, its a bit like collecting stuf for me...but right now I cant afford it like before.

 

AND I DONT FEEL BAD ABOUT IT 

 

 

[Neil]

For every good, decent, honest type band, there are money grabbing c***s like Winehouse and that posh c*** Ronson.

 

I do it because I can't afford to pay £0.79 a f***ing track, thankyou very much iTunes.

 

There are loads of things I can't afford that I don't steal.

 

You do it because it's easy, doesn't feel like stealing and there's minimal risk of being caught.

 

Unfortunately when I, like a lot of people, have very little money, morals aren't really the primary form of concern. The bold bit sums my attitude up, regardless of whether its "right".

 

If I like a band/artist THAT much, I'll save money to go see them live.

[Syrette]

Like I said though, there's a fair amount of money in gigs etc. That's why some bands will just release stuff for free if they feel they can get away with it (Radiohead, Saul Williams, NIN, Girl Talk etc), they know that it will get them extra listeners and more publicity and will entice people to get into them whereas they might not if they had to pay for something they might not like. Once you've got more fans on board, that'll naturally lead to more fans at gigs, which means more fans buying merch etc. And the circle continues, because you'll get people at gigs who might not have been there for your band, they're turned on to you buy your life performance, so they buy your CD, and become a fan.

[Disco]

For every good, decent, honest type band, there are money grabbing cunts like Winehouse and that posh cunt Ronson.

 

I do it because I can't afford to pay £0.79 a fucking track, thankyou very much iTunes.

 

There are loads of things I can't afford that I don't steal.

 

You do it because it's easy, doesn't feel like stealing and there's minimal risk of being caught.

 

Nail on head.