Sharon Beshenivsky

[Dave]

Why the big fanfare?

 

Seriously, I'm not saying her death isn't a tragedy - it clearly is - but why is it such a big deal when innocent people are sadly quite regularly killed by criminals? She was a police officer, therefore going to work every day meant she was at risk of coming to serious harm. She responded to an armed robbery and she was shot. Is this really such a surprise? Obviously someone serving the public being killed when doing their job is a disgrace, but then someone going about their own business and getting caught up in some incident or murdered for no reason is even worse IMO.

 

I must be missing something, someone please enlighten me.

 

PS - I thought this at the time too, I've brought it up because a memorial to her was unveiled today.

[cp40]

Go ask her Parents

[Dave]

Go ask her Parents

 

Yeah, because I'm sure they didn't realise she was at risk every day.

 

Nonsensical answer anyway, I've already said it was a tragedy. My question is why it's more of a tragedy than anyone else being murdered.

 

I'm not even on about this case in particular, more the fact it seems to cause more outcry when a police officer is killed. I don't understand why.

[cp40]

Go ask her Parents

 

Yeah, because I'm sure they didn't realise she was at risk every day.

 

Nonsensical answer anyway, I've already said it was a tragedy. My question is why it's more of a tragedy than anyone else being murdered.

 

I'm not even on about this case in particular, more the fact it seems to cause more outcry when a police officer is killed. I don't understand why.

 

 

its similar to the missing girl thing.

 

they found a body,.. then eveyone celebrated cos it wasnt her,... but it WAS someone, ..how did they die? are they not important?

[Northerngimp]

Depends which story the media choose at the end of the day, a murdered police officer is bigger news then some unknown child that no one has claimed.

[Pilko]

I suppose it is strange how some cases of people dead/missing recieve more press attention than others. The two most obvious examples are the Holly and Jessica girls from a few years back, and of course Madeline McCann. Both tragic cases, but surely there are kids who are kidnapped and possibly even killed quite often? There must be some underlying reason why some of the cases get loads of press attention and some aren't even mentioned.

 

With regards to what Dave has said in the OP, the case was a tragic incident, but coppers must get shot/stabbed all of the time. I can't 100% remember the details of it but it doesn't seem that different to any kind of mugging-gone-wrong where someone dies - and I know for a fact that those kind of things happen all the time in a lot of cities in the UK.

[Dave]

Go ask her Parents

 

Yeah, because I'm sure they didn't realise she was at risk every day.

 

Nonsensical answer anyway, I've already said it was a tragedy. My question is why it's more of a tragedy than anyone else being murdered.

 

I'm not even on about this case in particular, more the fact it seems to cause more outcry when a police officer is killed. I don't understand why.

 

 

its similar to the missing girl thing.

 

they found a body,.. then eveyone celebrated cos it wasnt her,... but it WAS someone, ..how did they die? are they not important?

 

Exactly, I just find it weird how some people seem to be elevated above others. This case is even stranger to me because part of her job was to face people capable of terrible things daily. Not 'her job' to come to harm of course, but the risk was obvious.

[TêteDeMaure]

Her husband has been hounded by the family and outsiders aswell for being with another woman.

[TêteDeMaure]

What about the Army dead then Dave?

[Northerngimp]

I suppose it is strange how some cases of people dead/missing recieve more press attention than others. The two most obvious examples are the Holly and Jessica girls from a few years back, and of course Madeline McCann. Both tragic cases, but surely there are kids who are kidnapped and possibly even killed quite often? There must be some underlying reason why some of the cases get loads of press attention and some aren't even mentioned.

 

With regards to what Dave has said in the OP, the case was a tragic incident, but coppers must get shot/stabbed all of the time. I can't 100% remember the details of it but it doesn't seem that different to any kind of mugging-gone-wrong where someone dies - and I know for a fact that those kind of things happen all the time in a lot of cities in the UK.

 

Depends what the media deem more news worthy.

 

Loads of kids go missing, get murdered, get raped and fiddled with.  The media pick and choose to see which will grab the nations mood more.

 

 

[Dave]

What about the Army dead then Dave?

 

I find that tragic because these days they're fighting for fuck all. Dying for the sake of politics is a disgrace.

 

But then again they signed up for it and wanted to do it knowing the risks. When soldiers were fighting for our liberty and our future they often didn't have a choice.

 

I don't know. I'm not trying to offend here.

[Guest lankybellwipe]

Why the big fanfare?

 

Seriously, I'm not saying her death isn't a tragedy - it clearly is - but why is it such a big deal when innocent people are sadly quite regularly killed by criminals? She was a police officer, therefore going to work every day meant she was at risk of coming to serious harm. She responded to an armed robbery and she was shot. Is this really such a surprise? Obviously someone serving the public being killed when doing their job is a disgrace, but then someone going about their own business and getting caught up in some incident or murdered for no reason is even worse IMO.

 

I must be missing something, someone please enlighten me.

 

I'll be honest Dave, and I may tread on some nerves here, but the war in afghanistan brings out the same argument for me. 

 

Civilians join the army, knowing full well, they are in their chosen/given regiment, to protect the Queen and her Soveriegns. They join the army, knowing full well, that conflict is extremely possible, and they have agreed to fight for the state. They are not conscripts. I have nothing but admiration for, and salute every soldier out there, but I cannot abide families of deceased soldiers, taking action against the government, because their child was not given the appropriate safety appartatus (it's a friggin war!!!). Did they say "I forbid it!" When they were told? Did they kick up a mountainous stink and beg for a rethink from their son/daughter?  A select few - maybe

 

The Hercules crash, I believe, is a classic case. The plane wasn't equipped with the necesary 'explosion deterent' fuel tank packaging.     Well I'm sorry, but even if the plane was, the chances of surviving a plane crash - in the Afghan desert, are minimal! All those Lancaster pilots would have been fuming whilst hurtling to earth!!

 

And The Suns' campaign last month was typical tabloid sihte. Winston Churchill would be turning - somersaults in his ackin grave

[Guest LucaAltieri]

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[TêteDeMaure]

What about the Army dead then Dave?

 

I find that tragic because these days they're fighting for f*** all. Dying for the sake of politics is a disgrace.

 

But then again they signed up for it and wanted to do it knowing the risks. When soldiers were fighting for our liberty and our future they often didn't have a choice.

 

I don't know. I'm not trying to offend here.

 

People still go in the army now knowing the situation so. I dunno. I agree, btw. LBW about summed it up, a little harsher than i would have myself.

[cp40]

Go ask her Parents

 

Yeah, because I'm sure they didn't realise she was at risk every day.

 

Nonsensical answer anyway, I've already said it was a tragedy. My question is why it's more of a tragedy than anyone else being murdered.

 

I'm not even on about this case in particular, more the fact it seems to cause more outcry when a police officer is killed. I don't understand why.

 

 

its similar to the missing girl thing.

 

they found a body,.. then eveyone celebrated cos it wasnt her,... but it WAS someone, ..how did they die? are they not important?

 

Exactly, I just find it weird how some people seem to be elevated above others. This case is even stranger to me because part of her job was to face people capable of terrible things daily. Not 'her job' to come to harm of course, but the risk was obvious.

 

 

slightly off topic, but linked ,...

 

has anybody noticed, whenever theres a high profile media missing person story, how often they find bodies that arent involved, ..its as if theres dead bodies lying in woods all over the f-king place waiting to be found?

[Munkey]

there probably are...they just find them when they do an intensive search looking for someone in particular.

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

The Hercules crash, I believe, is a classic case. The plane wasn't equipped with the necesary 'explosion deterent' fuel tank packaging.     Well I'm sorry, but even if the plane was, the chances of surviving a plane crash - in the Afghan desert, are minimal! All those Lancaster pilots would have been fuming whilst hurtling to earth!!

The point of that is if the flame retardant stuff had been used in the plane it probably wouldn't have blown up/crashed from bullet hits.

[Guest toonlass]

There are about 20 infants(under 12 months) murdered each year. How many, apart from Baby P can you name from last year? Madelaine McCann only hit the headlines because

a)her parents are doctors and

b) they were on holiday.

Shame for other poor, council estate 'forgotten' kids.

 

b)

[Dinho lad]

Madelaine McCann only hit the headlines because

a)her parents are doctors and

b) they were on holiday.

 

They hit the headlines because a little child disappeared. They stayed in the headlines because they are fortunate enough to have some money to keep the find maddie campaign going.

 

Wouldn’t you do everything within your powers to find your child if he/she were abducted?

 

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

Shame for other poor, council estate 'forgotten' kids.

Trouble is the last one like that they publicised it turned out the mother had hidden her and the man she lived with had child porn on his computer.

 

It does seem the media need an angle to run these stories. I heard somewhere that one of the reasons the search for those missing girls that Ian Huntley murdered got so much publicity was because the girls were blonde, 'pretty' and wearing Man U shirts. How much truth there is in that I don't know.

[Guest toonlass]

Of course I would but

a) I wouldn't have left my kids alone in the hotel room.

b) I would fall into the catorgary wheret my kids would be council estate fodder.

[Dinho lad]

Of course I would but

a) I wouldn't have left my kids alone in the hotel room.

b) I would fall into the catorgary wheret my kids would be council estate fodder.

 

 

a) of course, but that's not the point here. You were simply questioning why the McCanns were always in the news, weren't you? And I just gave you the reason.(imo anyway)

 

didn't understand b)....never mind, though.

[Mowen]

Why the big fanfare?

 

Seriously, I'm not saying her death isn't a tragedy - it clearly is - but why is it such a big deal when innocent people are sadly quite regularly killed by criminals? She was a police officer, therefore going to work every day meant she was at risk of coming to serious harm. She responded to an armed robbery and she was shot. Is this really such a surprise? Obviously someone serving the public being killed when doing their job is a disgrace, but then someone going about their own business and getting caught up in some incident or murdered for no reason is even worse IMO.

 

I must be missing something, someone please enlighten me.

 

PS - I thought this at the time too, I've brought it up because a memorial to her was unveiled today.

 

The reason it's a big story is because it's easy copy. She was protecting this country and died in a noble way. It's easy for them to sell the emotional side of this story. See Charlie Brooker's Newswipe (one episode in particular, can't remember which, possibly 3).

[madras]

Of course I would but

a) I wouldn't have left my kids alone in the hotel room.

b) I would fall into the catorgary wheret my kids would be council estate fodder.

same went for ben needham eh ?

[S.S.R.]

I suppose it is strange how some cases of people dead/missing recieve more press attention than others. The two most obvious examples are the Holly and Jessica girls from a few years back, and of course Madeline McCann. Both tragic cases, but surely there are kids who are kidnapped and possibly even killed quite often? There must be some underlying reason why some of the cases get loads of press attention and some aren't even mentioned.

 

With regards to what Dave has said in the OP, the case was a tragic incident, but coppers must get shot/stabbed all of the time. I can't 100% remember the details of it but it doesn't seem that different to any kind of mugging-gone-wrong where someone dies - and I know for a fact that those kind of things happen all the time in a lot of cities in the UK.

 

Depends what the media deem more news worthy.

 

Loads of kids go missing, get murdered, get raped and fiddled with.*  The media pick and choose to see which will grab the nations mood more.

 

 

 

* Not necessarily in that order.