Is there are correlation between Americanisation and Crime?

[Parky]

Is crime more about the philosophy of how we live and how we see/respect others rather than poverty etc?

[Kaizero]

Heavy topic on a Sunday afternoon.

[GG]

Yes and no.

[ChezGiven]

There is a correlation between abortion and crime.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Levitt

 

 

 

[Guest firetotheworks]

Yes and no.

 

 

Thread over.

[Keefaz]

What does this have to do with America?

[Guest firetotheworks]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Because the UK has a highly Americanised culture.

[Parky]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Indeed. 

 

There are studies that show highly developed western countries (say america) have much more crime than say African countries or indeed Asian countries. Strange but supposedly true.

 

 

[madras]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Because the UK has a highly Americanised culture.

does it...in what way ?

[Parky]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Because the UK has a highly Americanised culture.

 

Much more so than Germany where I live.

[Keefaz]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Indeed. 

 

There are studies that show highly developed western countries (say america) have much more crime than say African countries or indeed Asian countries. Strange but supposedly true.

 

 

Even it that were true--which I doubt--I still don't see what this has to do with Americanisation.

[Guest firetotheworks]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Because the UK has a highly Americanised culture.

does it...in what way ?

 

Our social trends, particularly in youth culture; films, music, fashion, language, attitudes are all largely influenced by those that come out of the U.S.

 

It's not specific to us obviously, most Western countries have influence too, but it seems more apparent here than anywhere else, perhaps because we share the same language.

[Parky]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Indeed. 

 

There are studies that show highly developed western countries (say america) have much more crime than say African countries or indeed Asian countries. Strange but supposedly true.

 

 

Even it that were true--which I doubt--I still don't see what this has to do with Americanisation.

 

I guess we're talking about values. Everyman for himself kind of thing.

[Guest firetotheworks]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Indeed. 

 

There are studies that show highly developed western countries (say america) have much more crime than say African countries or indeed Asian countries. Strange but supposedly true.

 

 

Even it that were true--which I doubt--I still don't see what this has to do with Americanisation.

 

Isn't that the point of a debate? To bring up a point and then discuss if there is a link?

[Dave]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Because the UK has a highly Americanised culture.

does it...in what way ?

 

Our social trends, particularly in youth culture; films, music, fashion, language, attitudes are all largely influenced by those that come out of the U.S.

 

It's not specific to us obviously, most Western countries have influence too, but it seems more apparent here than anywhere else, perhaps because we share the same language.

 

Can you describe some examples of those? I'd say their film and music influence is generally because their respective industries are far larger than ours. But then some of the biggest artists in history are from the UK.

[Keefaz]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Indeed. 

 

There are studies that show highly developed western countries (say america) have much more crime than say African countries or indeed Asian countries. Strange but supposedly true.

 

 

Even it that were true--which I doubt--I still don't see what this has to do with Americanisation.

 

Isn't that the point of a debate? To bring up a point and then discuss if there is a link?

 

Um, yes, I was just trying to clarify Parky's point.

[Guest firetotheworks]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Because the UK has a highly Americanised culture.

does it...in what way ?

 

Our social trends, particularly in youth culture; films, music, fashion, language, attitudes are all largely influenced by those that come out of the U.S.

 

It's not specific to us obviously, most Western countries have influence too, but it seems more apparent here than anywhere else, perhaps because we share the same language.

 

Can you describe some examples of those? I'd say their film and music influence is generally because their respective industries are far larger than ours. But then some of the biggest artists in history are from the UK.

Even The Beatles, as an obvious example took massive influence from Motown and Blues. You could say that all Western music is in some way influenced by Blues, but that's kind of the point, the influence came from America, and not something like music from the Far East.

 

 

You'll probably notice though, that the biggest successes internationally are the artists that dont heavily recycle American styles. Depeche Mode, The Smiths, Radiohead, Joy Division as artists off the top of my head are all examples of sounds that you wouldnt say sound quintessentially English, but again they're still influenced by them. Morrissey and Marr (IIRC) both formed a band through a shared love of the Shangris-Las.

 

For fashion it's pretty obvious because in the mainstream its influenced by music and films anyway.

 

Yes the film and music industry are bigger, and that's probably the reason for the influence, but that doesn't stop it from being an influence, its just one of the reasons for Americanisation.

[GG]

Read 'The Great Gatsby', apply it to the modern era and come to your own conclusions. 

[BlueStar]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Indeed. 

 

There are studies that show highly developed western countries (say america) have much more crime than say African countries or indeed Asian countries. Strange but supposedly true.

 

Could you link to these studies? So far the references I've found say the opposite, if we're talking about the 'yoof' demographic which is supposedly feasting on a stream of US-produced violent films, video games and gangsta rap.

 

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/5196/

The most trusted global survey remains the World Health Organisation’s first World Report on Violence and Health, published in 2002. The WHO report estimated a global total of 199,000 youth homicides in 2000 - a worldwide average of 9.2 killings per 100,000 people aged 10 to 29. Within that average, however, the regional and national variations were the most striking.

 

Across Latin America there were 36.4 homicides per 100,000 young people; Colombia topped the table with 84.4 killings per 100,000, followed by El Salvador and Brazil. Across Africa the average was 17.6 killings per 100,000 young people. In Russia it was 18 homicides per 100,000. In the USA the comparable figure was 11. And in Western Europe? France had just 0.6, Germany 0.8 and the UK only 0.9 killings for every 100,000 young people.

 

If anything, the trends since 2000 seem likely to have widened rather than narrowed the youth homicide gap between Western Europe and the developing world. I recently heard tell of a British expert who went to an international conference where speakers from Latin America reeled off figures of tens of thousands of youth homicides a year. When it came to his turn to address the conference, he had some trouble explaining how the comparatively tiny UK statistics for similar killings could be seen to constitute a national crisis.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I'm a bit of believer that art reflects life. So people are rapping (for example) about poverty, crime etc because that is what's happening to them.

 

Another question is, why is the fear of crime so much worse than the reality? I mean, the chances of being a victim of violent crime are very, very small... but people seem to think everything is going to pot. The media?

[Robster]

Are our schools adopting the SATS format for examination an example of Americanisation ?

[LucaAltieri]

I think the real question should be "is there a correlation between indo-europeanisation and crime?"

[madras]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Because the UK has a highly Americanised culture.

does it...in what way ?

 

Our social trends, particularly in youth culture; films, music, fashion, language, attitudes are all largely influenced by those that come out of the U.S.

 

It's not specific to us obviously, most Western countries have influence too, but it seems more apparent here than anywhere else, perhaps because we share the same language.

 

Can you describe some examples of those? I'd say their film and music influence is generally because their respective industries are far larger than ours. But then some of the biggest artists in history are from the UK.

Even The Beatles, as an obvious example took massive influence from Motown and Blues. You could say that all Western music is in some way influenced by Blues, but that's kind of the point, the influence came from America, and not something like music from the Far East.

 

 

You'll probably notice though, that the biggest successes internationally are the artists that dont heavily recycle American styles. Depeche Mode, The Smiths, Radiohead, Joy Division as artists off the top of my head are all examples of sounds that you wouldnt say sound quintessentially English, but again they're still influenced by them. Morrissey and Marr (IIRC) both formed a band through a shared love of the Shangris-Las.

 

For fashion it's pretty obvious because in the mainstream its influenced by music and films anyway.

 

Yes the film and music industry are bigger, and that's probably the reason for the influence, but that doesn't stop it from being an influence, its just one of the reasons for Americanisation.

i'd disagree with quite a lot of that. i'd say british cinema has more in common with european cinema which in turn has influenced american indi cinema.

 

youth culture..in looks and language maybe but it is more european in social construct (ie i'll bet the lives of working class teens in newcastle are closer to those of their peers in hamburg than seattle).

 

fashion, i'd say europe has more influence on the US than the other way round.

 

language....well where did american language come from ?

 

attitudes.....europe including us is largely social democratic,secular with an outward look.......america is further right wing, for a while almost a christain theocracy and a lot more insular.

 

take away language and we are a lot closer to the attitudes and sociological beliefs of europe than america.

[Guest firetotheworks]

What does this have to do with America?

 

Because the UK has a highly Americanised culture.

does it...in what way ?

 

Our social trends, particularly in youth culture; films, music, fashion, language, attitudes are all largely influenced by those that come out of the U.S.

 

It's not specific to us obviously, most Western countries have influence too, but it seems more apparent here than anywhere else, perhaps because we share the same language.

 

Can you describe some examples of those? I'd say their film and music influence is generally because their respective industries are far larger than ours. But then some of the biggest artists in history are from the UK.

Even The Beatles, as an obvious example took massive influence from Motown and Blues. You could say that all Western music is in some way influenced by Blues, but that's kind of the point, the influence came from America, and not something like music from the Far East.

 

 

You'll probably notice though, that the biggest successes internationally are the artists that dont heavily recycle American styles. Depeche Mode, The Smiths, Radiohead, Joy Division as artists off the top of my head are all examples of sounds that you wouldnt say sound quintessentially English, but again they're still influenced by them. Morrissey and Marr (IIRC) both formed a band through a shared love of the Shangris-Las.

 

For fashion it's pretty obvious because in the mainstream its influenced by music and films anyway.

 

Yes the film and music industry are bigger, and that's probably the reason for the influence, but that doesn't stop it from being an influence, its just one of the reasons for Americanisation.

i'd disagree with quite a lot of that. i'd say british cinema has more in common with european cinema which in turn has influenced american indi cinema.

 

youth culture..in looks and language maybe but it is more european in social construct (ie i'll bet the lives of working class teens in newcastle are closer to those of their peers in hamburg than seattle).

 

fashion, i'd say europe has more influence on the US than the other way round.

 

language....well where did american language come from ?

 

attitudes.....europe including us is largely social democratic,secular with an outward look.......america is further right wing, for a while almost a christain theocracy and a lot more insular.

 

take away language and we are a lot closer to the attitudes and sociological beliefs of europe than america.

 

The film one I accept, but mainly imo because of the budgets over here forcing films to be a lot more European (which imo generally are far better than ours)

 

For Youth Culture in the mainstream the popular things at the moment are High School Musical and Twilight at the moment. American. Emo - American. Hip Hop - American.

Even our own cultures that are cropping up: Drum and Bass, Dubstep, Grime etc have a lot of american influence in their sound and fashion.

 

Language, perhaps I should refine that to colloquialisms and euphemisms. Massively influenced by America.

 

I wouldn't say America is further right wing, more that due it being a vastly larger country than ours with largely different attitudes theres a large variety of outlooks. For example neither San Franscisco nor Texas represent America on their own, its obviously a mix between these and a few others. In terms of influence to the UK its more the spoilt L.A darling lifestyle, and the hip hop outlook on bling etc than say a right wing deep southern country music lover.

[Parky]

Gang culture where it is at this point in South London I'd wager is a carbon copy of the nonsense in America.