Guest toonlass Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 What the hell is going on here man. Stories on BBC news website today. As a parent I find it sickening: A couple whose three young children were forced to live in what police called a "hell hole" have been jailed for three years each for child neglect. The children had to share a soiled bed and their home was covered in urine and faeces, York Crown Court heard. When officers entered the house they found the children wearing dirty nappies. They were surrounded by piles of rubbish and rotting scraps of food. A 26-year-old man and 24-year-old woman from York were sentenced on Monday. Judge Stephen Ashurst said the children - two girls aged four and one and a boy aged three - has been "prisoners in their own home", who had been unable to even play in the garden. Prosecutors said it was one of the most distressing cases of child neglect they had ever seen. Authorities were alerted to the property when a member of the public complained to York Council about its outside appearance, the court was told. Police and social service officials found festering piles of rubbish, rotting food, and the walls covered with urine and faeces. The way they subjected them to cruelty, neglect and abuse is truly shocking in this day and age Det Con Debbie Outwin, North Yorkshire Police The windows had been covered up, blocking out any natural light. The court heard that the children's parents had forced them to live in squalid conditions in their home in the Clifton area of York between April and October 2008. The couple admitted three charges of neglecting the children in a manner likely to cause them unnecessary suffering. The judge said it was a disturbing and serious case and the home had deteriorated to such a degree because of the couple's "self-obsessed" behaviour. Det Con Debbie Outwin, North Yorkshire Police The windows had been covered up, blocking out any natural light. The court heard that the children's parents had forced them to live in squalid conditions in their home in the Clifton area of York between April and October 2008. The couple admitted three charges of neglecting the children in a manner likely to cause them unnecessary suffering. The judge said it was a disturbing and serious case and the home had deteriorated to such a degree because of the couple's "self-obsessed" behaviour. Det Con Debbie Outwin of North Yorkshire Police, who led the investigation, said: "It is very satisfying that the couple have been brought to justice for the horrific conditions they forced upon their children. "The way they subjected them to cruelty, neglect and abuse is truly shocking in this day and age." http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/cerkir/_45959029_kitchen.jpg And then: Boy 'tried to eat toy sandwiches' Angela Gordon and Junaid Abuhamza deny murdering Khyra Ishaq A boy in the care of a couple accused of starving a girl to death was seen trying to eat toy sandwiches in a hospital play area, a jury was told. Angela Gordon and Junaid Abuhamza, both from Handsworth, Birmingham, deny murdering seven-year-old Khyra Ishaq. The boy, aged eight, described as being extremely thin, "begged" for food on a hospital ward on the day Khyra died, Birmingham Crown Court heard. He was in the couple's care at the time they are accused of murdering Khyra. 'Some more' The eight-year-old boy cannot be named for legal reasons. In a statement read to the court by prosecution QC Timothy Raggatt, Det Con Victoria Lee said she met the boy and four other children, who were also in the defendants' care, at Birmingham's City Hospital. The child abuse investigation officer said in her statement: "He was stopping every adult on the ward, begging for food. "He told me he had eaten toast and cereal that morning but he was desperate for some more." The boy started to make sandwiches from plastic children's food in a play area and tried to eat them, the court heard. Ms Lee said: "I had to tell him not to and take it away from him." The court heard that the five children being cared for at the hospital were then given sandwiches and that one of them had "concealed" two of them under her arm. 'Very frail' The five children were initially taken to Birmingham's Thornhill Road police station after Khyra was found dead at her home in Leyton Road, Handsworth. In a statement made by Sgt Russell Tringham which was read to the court, the police officer described seeing the children in a kitchen area of a rest room at Thornhill Road. He said: "They were all extremely thin in the face and the body, and looked very frail. "(One of the boys) kept asking me over and over 'Can we have some more breakfast? Can we have some cereal?'." Mr Abuhamza, 30, of Leyton Road, pleaded guilty at the start of the trial to cruelty charges relating to five children in his care and control. Ms Gordon, 34, also of Leyton Road, denies the charges of child cruelty, which are alleged to have been committed between December 2007 and May 17 2008. The case continues. http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/cerkir/_45873224_khrya.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? Because personally, I have found that being a parent has lowered my shock-ability. I can't even watch NSPCC adverts any more. Before I had kids I really don't think that I related to what a parent could do to a child to be abusive and neglectful. I never fully understood how a parent could love their child, from a parent's view, and the fact that some sick individuals do this shocks me more now than it did then. Shame that you have grabbed that one piece to comment on rather than the disgraceful behaviour of these people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? Because personally, I have found that being a parent has lowered my shock-ability. I can't even watch NSPCC adverts any more. Before I had kids I really don't think that I related to what a parent could do to a child to be abusive and neglectful. Shame that you have grabbed that one piece to comment on rather than the disgraceful behaviour of these people. There's nothing really to say about what happened, it's terrible and I barely even want to think about it. It isn't exactly something that's up for discussion. I was interested in why you made that comment though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? cos it does, you wouldn't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Quite shocking, to be honest. Could have been a hell of a lot worse had it not been for annoying neighbours. I say that, cause I've had some right pain in the arse neighbours in my time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? cos it does, you wouldn't know. That's why I asked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? cos it does, you wouldn't know. That's why I asked. it was meant to be the stock, patronising parent answer.....oh nevermind, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? cos it does, you wouldn't know. That's why I asked. it was meant to be the stock, patronising parent answer.....oh nevermind, I figured tbh. Two can play at being sarky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? cos it does, you wouldn't know. I didn't say that. I know that when I was younger these stories did not affect me as much as they do now. Not that they didn't make me feel sick, but now I can honestly say they have a bigger impact. I can only explain it as from having children, and knowing that I would do everything I could to look after and nurture them. I am just being honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? cos it does, you wouldn't know. I didn't say that. I know that when I was younger these stories did not affect me as much as they do now. Not that they didn't make me feel sick, but now I can honestly say they have a bigger impact. I can only explain it as from having children, and knowing that I would do everything I could to look after and nurture them. I am just being honest. This isn't meant to be a criticism, but you do seem to post a lot of these stories. If you are so sickened by them why do you put yourself through reading them? Or are you just drawn to them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? cos it does, you wouldn't know. I didn't say that. I know that when I was younger these stories did not affect me as much as they do now. Not that they didn't make me feel sick, but now I can honestly say they have a bigger impact. I can only explain it as from having children, and knowing that I would do everything I could to look after and nurture them. I am just being honest. This isn't meant to be a criticism, but you do seem to post a lot of these stories. If you are so sickened by them why do you put yourself through reading them? Or are you just drawn to them? They are news. Do you blinker yourself? I also am studying about how breakdown in families, which includes violence and neglect, affect young offenders and some of the stuff there is also disturbing. So therefore I have a sociological interest in the issue. I posted this as a way for people to hopefully debate about this issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? cos it does, you wouldn't know. I didn't say that. I know that when I was younger these stories did not affect me as much as they do now. Not that they didn't make me feel sick, but now I can honestly say they have a bigger impact. I can only explain it as from having children, and knowing that I would do everything I could to look after and nurture them. I am just being honest. This isn't meant to be a criticism, but you do seem to post a lot of these stories. If you are so sickened by them why do you put yourself through reading them? Or are you just drawn to them? No offence, but she's just posting news she finds interesting on an internet message board, no need for you to have a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Don't blinker myself at all. I just tend to avoid reading all the details of something that's going to upset me if I can. Stick down some of your sociological theories then, if you're studying it you might have different insight to your average joe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 it's hardly an achievement tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? cos it does, you wouldn't know. I didn't say that. I know that when I was younger these stories did not affect me as much as they do now. Not that they didn't make me feel sick, but now I can honestly say they have a bigger impact. I can only explain it as from having children, and knowing that I would do everything I could to look after and nurture them. I am just being honest. This isn't meant to be a criticism, but you do seem to post a lot of these stories. If you are so sickened by them why do you put yourself through reading them? Or are you just drawn to them? No offence, but she's just posting news she finds interesting on an internet message board, no need for you to have a go. Did you read my post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Don't blinker myself at all. I just tend to avoid reading all the details of something that's going to upset me if I can. Stick down some of your sociological theories then, if you're studying it you might have different insight to your average joe. what do you mean "if" I am studying it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Don't blinker myself at all. I just tend to avoid reading all the details of something that's going to upset me if I can. Stick down some of your sociological theories then, if you're studying it you might have different insight to your average joe. what do you mean "if" I am studying it? Plural you. As in, if someone were to be studying sociology they might be able to offer insights into it that I may not have previously considered. Or I just phrased it badly No need to get so defensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Quite shocking, to be honest. Could have been a hell of a lot worse had it not been for annoying neighbours. I say that, cause I've had some right pain in the arse neighbours in my time. What the fuck is funny? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Quite shocking, to be honest. Could have been a hell of a lot worse had it not been for annoying neighbours. I say that, cause I've had some right pain in the arse neighbours in my time. What the fuck is funny? Presumably the previous post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Quite shocking, to be honest. Could have been a hell of a lot worse had it not been for annoying neighbours. I say that, cause I've had some right pain in the arse neighbours in my time. What the fuck is funny? Presumably the post above...which was a joke edit: fuck off lightening fingers dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Quite shocking, to be honest. Could have been a hell of a lot worse had it not been for annoying neighbours. I say that, cause I've had some right pain in the arse neighbours in my time. What the fuck is funny? Presumably the previous post. Good grief. I shall retire for the night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Why would being a parent make you find it any more sickening? cos it does, you wouldn't know. I didn't say that. I know that when I was younger these stories did not affect me as much as they do now. Not that they didn't make me feel sick, but now I can honestly say they have a bigger impact. I can only explain it as from having children, and knowing that I would do everything I could to look after and nurture them. I am just being honest. This isn't meant to be a criticism, but you do seem to post a lot of these stories. If you are so sickened by them why do you put yourself through reading them? Or are you just drawn to them? No offence, but she's just posting news she finds interesting on an internet message board, no need for you to have a go. Did you read my post? Yes, I did, and I understand that you 'want to know' why it might be a little more 'real' to someone with a child, but I honestly can't see how you can't see that already? She's probably got her child with her right now, or some item which reminds her. Many people feel having a child and bringing it up in the right way is the most important thing someone can ever do, and I reckon that becomes more real when that responsibility is actually reality... I can't see how it's such a difficult concept, and therefore I don't really know what you're actually trying to ask. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Ohhh. I thought the post above was serious, n that he was laughing at the story. My faith in humanity is restored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Quite shocking, to be honest. Could have been a hell of a lot worse had it not been for annoying neighbours. I say that, cause I've had some right pain in the arse neighbours in my time. What the fuck is funny? Presumably the post above...which was a joke edit: fuck off lightening fingers dave * *note for Messi: at Mowen's post, not the story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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