Decky Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 So the 12th celebrations have once again delivered violence in Northern Ireland... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8148955.stm My question is, how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican whatever you want to call them, areas? Now some of you might be horrified and jump on me with "they have a right to march where ever they want", but im sorry, that is absolute bollocks. It beggars belief that they are allowed to march through these areas when it guarantees trouble. A shot was fired today ffs, that could have killed someone and it could have been completely prevented. The Orange Order should stick to safe zones and Unionist areas where their marches will pass peacefully and where they will even be welcomed, instead of coming into Republican areas that will only end in violence , simple as that really. Now some might argue that people still shouldn't riot, and I would agree that they shouldn't but there is a lot of history here and there always will be trouble, there isn't anything you can do about that, not in the foreseeable future. I would love to hear some supporters of the Orange Order on here try and defend these acts that guarantee violence. If they stayed out of Republican areas then all this could have been avoided: Quote Ardoyne Shots fired at police 14 baton rounds fired Water cannon deployed Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown Two officers injured Van pushed at police lines Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it Londonderry Minor trouble at return city centre parade Missiles thrown Trouble in Butcher's Gate One police officer injured Armagh Device explodes on Friary Road Petrol bombs thrown Two cars stolen and set on fire Four people arrested Rasharkin Stones, petrol bombs thrown Three police hurt One arrested Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 My question is, how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican whatever you want to call them, areas? Now some of you might be horrified and jump on me with "they have a right to march where ever they want", but im sorry, that is absolute bollocks. It beggars believe that they are allowed to march through these areas when it guarantees trouble. A shot was fired today ffs, that could have killed someone and it could have been completely prevented. The Orange Order should stick to safe zones and Unionist areas, instead of coming into Republican areas that will only end in violence , simple as that really. Now some might argue that people still shouldn't riot, and I would agree that they shouldn't but there is a lot of history here and there always will be trouble, there isn't anything you can do about that, not in the foreseeable future. I would love to here some supporters of the Orange Order on here try and defend these acts that guarantee violence. If they stayed out of Republican areas then all this could have been avoided: Ardoyne Shots fired at police 14 baton rounds fired Water cannon deployed Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown Two officers injured Van pushed at police lines Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it Londonderry Minor trouble at return city centre parade Missiles thrown Trouble in Butcher's Gate One police officer injured Armagh Device explodes on Friary Road Petrol bombs thrown Two cars stolen and set on fire Four people arrested Rasharkin Stones, petrol bombs thrown Three police hurt One arrested I agree with you 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 dexter, is it possible to have a general Norn Iron thread for these things? think there should be a thread for all the different things that happen so those of us that don't live there can see the catalogue of problems and issues build up during these 'peaceful' times. also, it might help to educate a few people who don't understand "the troubles" but can have a read through of the overall thread..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 dexter, is it possible to have a general Norn Iron thread for these things? think there should be a thread for all the different things that happen so those of us that don't live there can see the catalogue of problems and issues build up during these 'peaceful' times. also, it might help to educate a few people who don't understand "the troubles" but can have a read through of the overall thread..? Good idea. Could start that with this thread. Ill just edit the title etc when other things happen. The last good debate on Northern Ireland was here really: http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,60811.msg1744543.html#msg1744543 There have been 1 or 2 since but they arnt worth reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 dexter, is it possible to have a general Norn Iron thread for these things? think there should be a thread for all the different things that happen so those of us that don't live there can see the catalogue of problems and issues build up during these 'peaceful' times. also, it might help to educate a few people who don't understand "the troubles" but can have a read through of the overall thread..? Good idea. Could start that with this thread. Ill just edit the title etc when other things happen. You could have it merged with the thread about what happened earlier in the year aswell. With the two soldiers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I'm Irish myself, my mother is from Roscommon. I have not been raised on the heavily potato based diet traditionally eaten in Ireland. I have come to realise that many of the indigionous people of this region have by some form of osmosis from eating and being around many potatoes had their brains transformed into potatoes too resulting in high levels of aggression. One of my best mates is from Derry and is moving soon and says he is sad to leave, I can't understand it tbh, having been there a bit there's a bad atmosphere, always remember from holidays to NIre as a kid the barbed wire and police stations and general bad shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I'm Irish myself, my mother is from Roscommon. I have not been raised on the heavily potato based diet traditionally eaten in Ireland. I have come to realise that many of the indigionous people of this region have by some form of osmosis from eating and being around many potatoes had their brains transformed into potatoes too resulting in high levels of aggression. One of my best mates is from Derry and is moving soon and says he is sad to leave, I can't understand it tbh, having been there a bit there's a bad atmosphere, always remember from holidays to NIre as a kid the barbed wire and police stations and general bad shit. Id miss this place if I left. It has a bad atmosphere and the past still very much haunts the place and everyday life here, but its home. Irish politics is one of my favourite subjects as well, couldn't be in a better place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Tis grand and peaceful down here though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 He lives on the border of Dunegal in the countryside, it's very nice there so it's wrong for me to say I don't understand him missing it or whatever, but even having never seen ay of the troubles first hand I wouldn't want to be around when things started going off. Where are you Decky, Belfast? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 He lives on the border of Dunegal in the countryside, it's very nice there so it's wrong for me to say I don't understand him missing it or whatever, but even having never seen ay of the troubles first hand I wouldn't want to be around when things started going off. Where are you Decky, Belfast? Nah mate im in Newry. It is very similar to Derry, a largely nationalist community on the border. Ill be living in Belfast in September though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Tis grand and peaceful down here though Ever had any bad experiences with unionists/loyalists, seeing are you are from the Republic? Or are they not really bothered? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I'll tell you I had a thing for Irish girls that kept me fond enough of the place to keep visiting, but that one who wanked off a bald cunt next to me was from Newry so it has soured my admiration for them. I'll still be back but likely not for a good few years now, need to travel elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I'll tell you I had a thing for Irish girls that kept me fond enough of the place to keep visiting, but that one who wanked off a bald cunt next to me was from Newry so it has soured my admiration for them. I'll still be back but likely not for a good few years now, need to travel elsewhere. I generally find southern girls better than northern girls over here. Nicer accent anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Not that it has any relevance here at all really (), but been working on the ol' family tree the past fortnight and great-great-grandpop on my mama's side was from Ireland. No one in the family knew at all until last week, so it's been quite interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Not that it has any relevance here at all really (), but been working on the ol' family tree the past fortnight and great-great-grandpop on my mama's side was from Ireland. No one in the family knew at all until last week, so it's been quite interesting. I always thought you were alright Keefaz, blatantly the Irish in you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Ardoyne Shots fired at police 14 baton rounds fired Water cannon deployed Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown Two officers injured Van pushed at police lines Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it Londonderry Minor trouble at return city centre parade Missiles thrown Trouble in Butcher's Gate One police officer injured Armagh Device explodes on Friary Road Petrol bombs thrown Two cars stolen and set on fire Four people arrested Rasharkin Stones, petrol bombs thrown Three police hurt One arrested The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 it's always puzzled me why they don't tell the orangemen. ok you can march if we can. and have a nationalist march maybe on the date of the founding of the republic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Ardoyne Shots fired at police 14 baton rounds fired Water cannon deployed Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown Two officers injured Van pushed at police lines Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it Londonderry Minor trouble at return city centre parade Missiles thrown Trouble in Butcher's Gate One police officer injured Armagh Device explodes on Friary Road Petrol bombs thrown Two cars stolen and set on fire Four people arrested Rasharkin Stones, petrol bombs thrown Three police hurt One arrested The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal. So you'd be fine with the BNP organising a march through Bradford or Burnley then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Ardoyne Shots fired at police 14 baton rounds fired Water cannon deployed Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown Two officers injured Van pushed at police lines Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it Londonderry Minor trouble at return city centre parade Missiles thrown Trouble in Butcher's Gate One police officer injured Armagh Device explodes on Friary Road Petrol bombs thrown Two cars stolen and set on fire Four people arrested Rasharkin Stones, petrol bombs thrown Three police hurt One arrested The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal. So you'd be fine with the BNP organising a march through Bradford or Burnley then? Go for it. Seeing that the BNP got into European politics in Yorkshire and Greater Manchester I can't see how that would cause a problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". So you reckon that a march by a completely bigotted organisation through nationalist areas celebrating a 300 year old victory against nationalists isn't deliberately antagonising? Clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 it's always puzzled me why they don't tell the orangemen. ok you can march if we can. and have a nationalist march maybe on the date of the founding of the republic. There are marches for St. Patrick's day over here, if they tried getting up the Shankill Road I'd like to see the reaction of the Unionists / Loyalists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". So you reckon that a march by a completely bigotted organisation through nationalist areas celebrating a 300 year old victory against nationalists isn't deliberately antagonising? Clueless. Nationalist areas? Should they rename them "no go areas"? Northern Ireland is in the UK, the nationalists are as bigotted as the unionists ffs. Its only antagonising if you are simple-minded enough to let it antagonise you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". So you reckon that a march by a completely bigotted organisation through nationalist areas celebrating a 300 year old victory against nationalists isn't deliberately antagonising? Clueless. Nationalist areas? Should they rename them "no go areas"? Northern Ireland is in the UK, the nationalists are a bigotted as the unionists ffs. Its only antagonising if you are simple-minded enough to let it antagonise you. Yes, nationalist areas. Areas where the residents are overwhelmingly Catholic, what is so hard to understand about that? It's hardly a no go area but it's not advisable if you're wearing an orange sash and a bowler hat. I'm not saying that there isn't bigotry on both sides but organising that bigotry and then parading it through their 'enemies' area is a bit too much. Let me ask you, why can't they stick to non-nationalist areas? That way there'd be a lot less trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 A better question would be who created the nationalist areas in the first place? My guess is bigotted sectarian housing policy is to blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 My guess is bigotted sectarian housing policy is to blame. Well that's exactly what it was. It used to be that both sides happily co-habited in the same council estates but then with the outbreak of the Troubles housing was divided on what religion you followed, which of course only increased a lot of the problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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