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So the 12th celebrations have once again delivered violence in Northern Ireland...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8148955.stm

 

My question is, how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican whatever you want to call them, areas? Now some of you might be horrified and jump on me with "they have a right to march where ever they want", but im sorry, that is absolute bollocks. It beggars belief that they are allowed to march through these areas when it guarantees trouble. A shot was fired today ffs, that could have killed someone and it could have been completely prevented. The Orange Order should stick to safe zones and Unionist areas where their marches will pass peacefully and where they will even be welcomed, instead of coming into Republican areas that will only end in violence , simple as that really.

 

Now some might argue that people still shouldn't riot, and I would agree that they shouldn't but there is a lot of history here and there always will be trouble, there isn't anything you can do about that, not in the foreseeable future.

 

I would love to hear some supporters of the Orange Order on here try and defend these acts that guarantee violence. If they stayed out of Republican areas then all this could have been avoided:

 

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Ardoyne

Shots fired at police

14 baton rounds fired

Water cannon deployed

Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown

Two officers injured

Van pushed at police lines

Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble

Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

 

Londonderry

Minor trouble at return city centre parade

Missiles thrown

Trouble in Butcher's Gate

One police officer injured

 

Armagh

Device explodes on Friary Road

Petrol bombs thrown

Two cars stolen and set on fire

Four people arrested

 

Rasharkin

Stones, petrol bombs thrown

Three police hurt

One arrested

 

 

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My question is, how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican whatever you want to call them, areas? Now some of you might be horrified and jump on me with "they have a right to march where ever they want", but im sorry, that is absolute bollocks. It beggars believe that they are allowed to march through these areas when it guarantees trouble. A shot was fired today ffs, that could have killed someone and it could have been completely prevented. The Orange Order should stick to safe zones and Unionist areas, instead of coming into Republican areas that will only end in violence , simple as that really.

 

Now some might argue that people still shouldn't riot, and I would agree that they shouldn't but there is a lot of history here and there always will be trouble, there isn't anything you can do about that, not in the foreseeable future.

 

I would love to here some supporters of the Orange Order on here try and defend these acts that guarantee violence. If they stayed out of Republican areas then all this could have been avoided:

 

Ardoyne

Shots fired at police

14 baton rounds fired

Water cannon deployed

Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown

Two officers injured

Van pushed at police lines

Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble

Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

 

Londonderry

Minor trouble at return city centre parade

Missiles thrown

Trouble in Butcher's Gate

One police officer injured

 

Armagh

Device explodes on Friary Road

Petrol bombs thrown

Two cars stolen and set on fire

Four people arrested

 

Rasharkin

Stones, petrol bombs thrown

Three police hurt

One arrested

 

 

I agree with you 100%

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dexter, is it possible to have a general Norn Iron thread for these things? think there should be a thread for all the different things that happen so those of us that don't live there can see the catalogue of problems and issues build up during these 'peaceful' times. also, it might help to educate a few people who don't understand "the troubles" but can have a read through of the overall thread..?

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dexter, is it possible to have a general Norn Iron thread for these things? think there should be a thread for all the different things that happen so those of us that don't live there can see the catalogue of problems and issues build up during these 'peaceful' times. also, it might help to educate a few people who don't understand "the troubles" but can have a read through of the overall thread..?

 

Good idea. Could start that with this thread. Ill just edit the title etc when other things happen. The last good debate on Northern Ireland was here really:

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,60811.msg1744543.html#msg1744543

 

There have been 1 or 2 since but they arnt worth reading.

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dexter, is it possible to have a general Norn Iron thread for these things? think there should be a thread for all the different things that happen so those of us that don't live there can see the catalogue of problems and issues build up during these 'peaceful' times. also, it might help to educate a few people who don't understand "the troubles" but can have a read through of the overall thread..?

 

Good idea. Could start that with this thread. Ill just edit the title etc when other things happen.

You could have it merged with the thread about what happened earlier in the year aswell. With the two soldiers

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I'm Irish myself, my mother is from Roscommon. I have not been raised on the heavily potato based diet traditionally eaten in Ireland. I have come to realise that many of the indigionous people of this region have by some form of osmosis from eating and being around  many potatoes had their brains transformed into potatoes too resulting in high levels of aggression.

 

One of my best mates is from Derry and is moving soon and says he is sad to leave, I can't understand it tbh, having been there a bit there's a bad atmosphere, always remember from holidays to NIre as a kid the barbed wire and police stations and general bad shit.

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I'm Irish myself, my mother is from Roscommon. I have not been raised on the heavily potato based diet traditionally eaten in Ireland. I have come to realise that many of the indigionous people of this region have by some form of osmosis from eating and being around  many potatoes had their brains transformed into potatoes too resulting in high levels of aggression.

 

One of my best mates is from Derry and is moving soon and says he is sad to leave, I can't understand it tbh, having been there a bit there's a bad atmosphere, always remember from holidays to NIre as a kid the barbed wire and police stations and general bad shit.

 

Id miss this place if I left. It has a bad atmosphere and the past still very much haunts the place and everyday life here, but its home. Irish politics is one of my favourite subjects as well, couldn't be in a better place.

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He lives on the border of Dunegal in the countryside, it's very nice there so it's wrong for me to say I don't understand him missing it or whatever, but even having never seen ay of the troubles first hand I wouldn't want to be around when things started going off. Where are you Decky, Belfast?

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He lives on the border of Dunegal in the countryside, it's very nice there so it's wrong for me to say I don't understand him missing it or whatever, but even having never seen ay of the troubles first hand I wouldn't want to be around when things started going off. Where are you Decky, Belfast?

 

Nah mate im in Newry. It is very similar to Derry, a largely nationalist community on the border. Ill be living in Belfast in September though.

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I'll tell you I had a thing for Irish girls that kept me fond enough of the place to keep visiting, but that one who wanked off a bald cunt next to me was from Newry so it has soured my admiration for them. I'll still be back but likely not for a good few years now, need to travel elsewhere.

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I'll tell you I had a thing for Irish girls that kept me fond enough of the place to keep visiting, but that one who wanked off a bald cunt next to me was from Newry so it has soured my admiration for them. I'll still be back but likely not for a good few years now, need to travel elsewhere.

 

:lol: I generally find southern girls better than northern girls over here. Nicer accent anyway :pow:

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Not that it has any relevance here at all really (:lol:), but been working on the ol' family tree the past fortnight and great-great-grandpop on my mama's side was from Ireland. No one in the family knew at all until last week, so it's been quite interesting.

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Not that it has any relevance here at all really (:lol:), but been working on the ol' family tree the past fortnight and great-great-grandpop on my mama's side was from Ireland. No one in the family knew at all until last week, so it's been quite interesting.

 

I always thought you were alright Keefaz, blatantly the Irish in you :pow:

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Ardoyne

Shots fired at police

14 baton rounds fired

Water cannon deployed

Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown

Two officers injured

Van pushed at police lines

Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble

Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

 

Londonderry

Minor trouble at return city centre parade

Missiles thrown

Trouble in Butcher's Gate

One police officer injured

 

Armagh

Device explodes on Friary Road

Petrol bombs thrown

Two cars stolen and set on fire

Four people arrested

 

Rasharkin

Stones, petrol bombs thrown

Three police hurt

One arrested

 

The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal. 

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Ardoyne

Shots fired at police

14 baton rounds fired

Water cannon deployed

Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown

Two officers injured

Van pushed at police lines

Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble

Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

 

Londonderry

Minor trouble at return city centre parade

Missiles thrown

Trouble in Butcher's Gate

One police officer injured

 

Armagh

Device explodes on Friary Road

Petrol bombs thrown

Two cars stolen and set on fire

Four people arrested

 

Rasharkin

Stones, petrol bombs thrown

Three police hurt

One arrested

 

The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal. 

So you'd be fine with the BNP organising a march through Bradford or Burnley then?

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Ardoyne

Shots fired at police

14 baton rounds fired

Water cannon deployed

Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown

Two officers injured

Van pushed at police lines

Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble

Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

 

Londonderry

Minor trouble at return city centre parade

Missiles thrown

Trouble in Butcher's Gate

One police officer injured

 

Armagh

Device explodes on Friary Road

Petrol bombs thrown

Two cars stolen and set on fire

Four people arrested

 

Rasharkin

Stones, petrol bombs thrown

Three police hurt

One arrested

 

The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal. 

So you'd be fine with the BNP organising a march through Bradford or Burnley then?

 

Go for it. Seeing that the BNP got into European politics in Yorkshire and Greater Manchester I can't see how that would cause a problem  O0

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The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own".

 

So you reckon that a march by a completely bigotted organisation through nationalist areas celebrating a 300 year old victory against nationalists isn't deliberately antagonising? Clueless.

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it's always puzzled me why they don't tell the orangemen. ok you can march if we can. and have a nationalist march maybe on the date of the founding of the republic.

 

There are marches for St. Patrick's day over here, if they tried getting up the Shankill Road I'd like to see the reaction of the Unionists / Loyalists.

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The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own".

 

So you reckon that a march by a completely bigotted organisation through nationalist areas celebrating a 300 year old victory against nationalists isn't deliberately antagonising? Clueless.

 

Nationalist areas?  :lol: Should they rename them "no go areas"? Northern Ireland is in the UK, the nationalists are as bigotted as the unionists ffs. Its only antagonising if you are simple-minded enough to let it antagonise you.

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The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own".

 

So you reckon that a march by a completely bigotted organisation through nationalist areas celebrating a 300 year old victory against nationalists isn't deliberately antagonising? Clueless.

 

Nationalist areas?  :lol: Should they rename them "no go areas"? Northern Ireland is in the UK, the nationalists are a bigotted as the unionists ffs. Its only antagonising if you are simple-minded enough to let it antagonise you.

 

Yes, nationalist areas. Areas where the residents are overwhelmingly Catholic, what is so hard to understand about that? It's hardly a no go area but it's not advisable if you're wearing an orange sash and a bowler hat. I'm not saying that there isn't bigotry on both sides but organising that bigotry and then parading it through their 'enemies' area is a bit too much.

 

Let me ask you, why can't they stick to non-nationalist areas? That way there'd be a lot less trouble.

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My guess is bigotted sectarian housing policy is to blame.

 

Well that's exactly what it was. It used to be that both sides happily co-habited in the same council estates but then with the outbreak of the Troubles housing was divided on what religion you followed, which of course only increased a lot of the problems.

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