Dokko Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Another soldier dies today, just seems like so many all of a sudden, is it just a co-incidence or is it the bus come along or plane crash factor? Lots of things about shite equipment, some fuker (gov) saying we need more choppers then retracting what he's said; all this for a scrappy war no one wants, just seems a little silly. How long until enough is enough, or is this going to go on for the forseeable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Its combat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 It's not rocket science, they've just started to advance aggressively into Helmand the Taliban stronghold so casulties are rising significantly. People die in wars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 As long as there are Afghans who want us there we'll be there. Sure it may seem a silly war but it would be even sillier to pull out just like that after this long. we have to see it through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 As long as there are Afghans who want us there we'll be there. Sure it may seem a silly war but it would be even sillier to pull out just like that after this long. we have to see it through. It's like shagging a pig and realising half way though this isn't the best of ideas but you are so close to cuming you might as well finish, but because you are thinking about it you are talking longer to do the deed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 As long as there are Afghans who want us there we'll be there. Sure it may seem a silly war but it would be even sillier to pull out just like that after this long. we have to see it through. It's like shagging a pig and realising half way though this isn't the best of ideas but you are so close to cuming you might as well finish, but because you are thinking about it you are talking longer to do the deed. wrong thread, if your trying to explain the origins of swine flu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lankybellwipe Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 As long as there are Afghans who want us there we'll be there. Sure it may seem a silly war but it would be even sillier to pull out just like that after this long. we have to see it through. It's like shagging a pig and realising half way though this isn't the best of ideas but you are so close to cuming you might as well finish, but because you are thinking about it you are talking longer to do the deed. What an analogy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Everyone, the military and consultants, except the Government, knew it was going to be a shooting match. Due to the nature of the fighting and the fact that it is a war, I am surprised the fatalities are not higher. Once the shooting starts, the conduct of the operation should be handed to the Commanders rather than political command. These guys know how to do a job. It would be interesting to find out how much the Taliban are getting reamed but I guess we'll never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northerngimp Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Its a slugging match at the moment, It would bbe nice to get a bit moer help from other NATO nations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 It's not rocket science, they've just started to advance aggressively into Helmand the Taliban stronghold so casulties are rising significantly. People die in wars. What is this war they are fighting though? The biggest threat from Afghanistan as I understand it is the poppy that is used to produce the heroin that is fuelling a worldwide black economy and causing thousands of deaths every year across the globe. Why aren't they stopping the heroin trade? A rhetorical question really because we all know the answer. What makes it more sickening for me is that SKY/BBC News are now taking to live broadcasts of funeral cortege' bringing these young soldiers home from a war that is 100% going to be lost. An absolute waste of human life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Its a slugging match at the moment, It would bbe nice to get a bit moer help from other NATO nations. They have far too much sense than to enter an unwinnable war. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northerngimp Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 It's not rocket science, they've just started to advance aggressively into Helmand the Taliban stronghold so casulties are rising significantly. People die in wars. What is this war they are fighting though? The biggest threat from Afghanistan as I understand it is the poppy that is used to produce the heroin that is fuelling a worldwide black economy and causing thousands of deaths every year across the globe. Why aren't they stopping the heroin trade? A rhetorical question really because we all know the answer. What makes it more sickening for me is that SKY/BBC News are now taking to live broadcasts of funeral cortege' bringing these young soldiers home from a war that is 100% going to be lost. An absolute waste of human life. Aye, thats the attitude to have one one of our young lads comes home in a coffin. It can be won to a certain degree but you need the politicians and other douche bags to make the effort. And yes, this is NATO opertion so our NATO allies should damn well help or whats the point in having NATO??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 This will never be won. For every Taliban member/soldier/terrorist that is killed by allied forces in Afghanistan many more are joining them and being trained up in Pakistan and other such countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northerngimp Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 This will never be won. For every Taliban member/soldier/terrorist that is killed by allied forces in Afghanistan many more are joining them and being trained up in Pakistan and other such countries. Pakistan is closing the border off so more cant join them, we need more men and help from our supposed friends in NATO to control the regions. Dont say it cant be won when lads and lasses are still in the fight, putting their live son the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Nearly all the Al Quaeda camps are in the mountains on the Pakistan side of the border. If it's Al Quaeda we're after, we're in the wrong place now - although the mission to get rid of their training camps on the Afghan side has been pretty successful. If the plan is to oust the Taliban and turn Afghanistan into a functioning democracy then it's a noble goal but it's going to be a very long and difficult mission with not a great probability of any kind of sucess - especially not the kind of success whereby when we leave things won't just revert back to normal. I'm not too sure about Hamid Kahzai either, he might be very pally with the coalition forces, but the laws he enacts sometimes seem almost as medieval as the Taliban, and we seem reluctant to criticise him for it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Karzai Hamid Karzai has been accused of trying to win votes in Afghanistan's presidential election by backing a law the UN says legalises rape within marriage and bans wives from stepping outside their homes without their husbands' permission. I agreed with the initial action (unlike in Iraq) but I think people are now confused as to exactly what our long term goals are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 No one ever wins in Afghanistan. Better to take the battle to where Al Quaeda lives, which is now reckoned to be Pakistan and Somalia. The Yanks got their asses kicked in Somalia so I dont think they'll be in any hurry to go back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Getting the Taliban out is a noble goal indeed. It is, however, worth remembering that the prior incumbants were so bad that people were dancing on the street when the Taliban came in (if you don't understand...think Mike Ashley replacing FFS). I've got no idea how this can be solved in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I think we lost sight of the fact that the mission is to fuck up the Taliban training camps and have little regard for the government, which tends to corruption no matter who it is. Anyway it may all kick off now since they dumped a metal bomb on Bin laden's son. Serves the fucker right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 No one ever wins in Afghanistan. Wrong! Syria beat them 1-2 there in October 2007. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Another soldier dies today, just seems like so many all of a sudden, is it just a co-incidence or is it the bus come along or plane crash factor? Lots of things about shite equipment, some fuker (gov) saying we need more choppers then retracting what he's said; all this for a scrappy war no one wants, just seems a little silly. How long until enough is enough, or is this going to go on for the forseeable? We should get out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 This will never be won. For every Taliban member/soldier/terrorist that is killed by allied forces in Afghanistan many more are joining them and being trained up in Pakistan and other such countries. Pakistan is closing the border off so more cant join them, we need more men and help from our supposed friends in NATO to control the regions. Dont say it cant be won when lads and lasses are still in the fight, putting their live son the line. Have you seen the size of the border? How can they possibly stop people from crossing? They're fighting an ideology that is followed by millions, when has anyone ever been able to defeat that? It's Vietnam all over again, but this time we've been dumb enough to get involved. Pretending it's winnable does the soldiers no favours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 No one in entire history has managed to subdue Afghanistan. We wont be any different. We arent fighting islam we are fighting extremist Islamic Jihadists. We will never win a military war there; it will require diplomacy and jaw jaw. The military leaders are the first to tell you that. But thats the proce of the "poor bloody Infantry" fighting in wars that cannot be won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 This will never be won. For every Taliban member/soldier/terrorist that is killed by allied forces in Afghanistan many more are joining them and being trained up in Pakistan and other such countries. Pakistan is closing the border off so more cant join them, we need more men and help from our supposed friends in NATO to control the regions. Dont say it cant be won when lads and lasses are still in the fight, putting their live son the line. Have you seen the size of the border? How can they possibly stop people from crossing? They're fighting an ideology that is followed by millions, when has anyone ever been able to defeat that? It's Vietnam all over again, but this time we've been dumb enough to get involved. Pretending it's winnable does the soldiers no favours. It's the height of stupidity making out it's winnable. I blame Blair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 This will never be won. For every Taliban member/soldier/terrorist that is killed by allied forces in Afghanistan many more are joining them and being trained up in Pakistan and other such countries. Pakistan is closing the border off so more cant join them, we need more men and help from our supposed friends in NATO to control the regions. Dont say it cant be won when lads and lasses are still in the fight, putting their live son the line. Have you seen the size of the border? How can they possibly stop people from crossing? They're fighting an ideology that is followed by millions, when has anyone ever been able to defeat that? It's Vietnam all over again, but this time we've been dumb enough to get involved. Pretending it's winnable does the soldiers no favours. It's the height of stupidity making out it's winnable. I blame Blair. Mr Bush had something of a say in this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Let's also not forget that this was an illegal war. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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