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indi

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Remember "sustainability" is the buzz-word at the moment, they won't want to be building a whole host of white elephants and wasting a whole load of cash. So for that reason, I don't think Yorkshire will get a group and unless Liverpool sort their act out quick-smart I could see them missing out too perhaps. There'll be at least one group in London, one in the Midlands, at one maybe two in the North West and one in the North East possibly having Leeds lumped in with that. So that's six groups and they normally have eight, so there's virtually no chance that Newcastle won't get chosen.

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A new ground like Hull may get one to tick box that says Yorkshire the biggest county in England had world cup game but I would imagine Leeds will come through. Although the Yorkshire cunts have got the rugby league world cup to plan for before 2018.

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I'd love to see Raj Sing pay a visit to the likes of Seaham. Something tells me he wouldn't be quite so quick to endorse Sunderland as a stage for the international community

 

Or likewise if he went to Benwell or Walker.

 

Benwell aint that bad, actually it is a shit hole BUT a non white person can go there without any worries

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So they're going to choose 15 stadiums and there's 16 cities put themselves forward so far, some of which have more than one possible stadium, London, Manchester, etc.

 

Here's the list:

 

   1. Birmingham - Villa Park.

   2. Bristol - :lol:

   3. Derby - Mmmm, perhaps, but definitely lower down the list than both Newcastle and Sunderland.

   4. Hull - Nah.

   5. Leeds - Elland Road perhaps, but it'd probably need a lot of work, so maybe not.

   6. Leicester - Nah, too small.

   7. Liverpool - Anfield/New stadium

   8. London - Wembley, Emirates, Twickenham, Olympic stadium

   9. Manchester - Old Trafford, Eastlands.

  10. Milton Keynes - Nope.

  11. NewcastleGateshead - SJP, pretty much guaranteed, I reckon.

  12. Nottingham - City ground.

  13. Plymouth - Yeah right.

  14. Portsmouth - See above.

  15. Sheffield - Hillsborough, probably need a fair bit of work to it.

  16. Sunderland - Decent chance.

 

The lowest I can see SJP being in that list is 8th, if they go with all four London stadiums. I'd imagine they'd probably have two stadiums close-ish together for each group and there'll almost certainly be a group based in the North East, so I wouldn't be surprised if both us and the mackems got chosen. Once you take out the cities who are blatantly kidding themselves then it's not really that much of a competition is it.

 

There's been talk of a new ground being built in Nottingham which Forest would move to. I've always thought the City Ground was decent though, only got one pretty decrepit stand.

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The people at SAFC like Niall & Steve Walton have brains & a council who is more sharper than Newcastle.

if the council is sharper why is it the shithole that it is ?

 

Newcastle council may not be perfect but they've consistently outperformed Sunderland's, much to the annoyance of many mackems and helping the shoulder chip and inferiority complex grow even bigger.

Who is Niall Walton ?  Anyone else noticed the peculiarly mackem tendency to often refer to their players etc by Christian names, whereas we (and most others) tend to use surname or both names ?

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Thespence

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The people at SAFC like Niall & Steve Walton have brains & a council who is more sharper than Newcastle.

if the council is sharper why is it the shithole that it is ?

 

Newcastle council may not be perfect but they've consistently outperformed Sunderland's, much to the annoyance of many mackems and helping the shoulder chip and inferiority complex grow even bigger.

Who is Niall Walton ?  Anyone else noticed the peculiarly mackem tendency to often refer to their players etc by Christian names, whereas we (and most others) tend to use surname or both names ?

 

Niall is Quinn  & Steve Walton is errr Steve Walton Sunderland chief exec x-Barclays & x-NUFC.

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Living in and around areas where Gentoo have previously and still are working I can also vouch for the fact they're spending a lot of money for very little end product. The Sunniside renovation is one of the few exceptions.

 

Gentoo are the most progressive arms length management organisation in the country. Watch the fuckers go in the next year a two already dabbling in some of the projects in Newcastle as YHN is clumbersome.

 

 

 

So, apparantly there social housing is better than ours? WOW! Whilst it isn't something I've particularly noticed, and cannot claim to have too great a knowledge in, I doubt very much this will have any impact on a World Cup bid.

 

As for this one, dubious, example of how their council is far greater than ours, what utter tosh!

 

Sunderland council have categorically failed with regards to the regneration of their town. The biggest example was the debacle surrounding the Vaux site. Newcastle council would never have allowed Tesco to have purchased that site, as evidenced by there dealings with the S&N site. Sunderland council and Sunderlard Arc (known as Sunderland Farce in property circles) have failed dramatically to implement the required infrastructure to support businesses by providing grade A office space, quality retail and in my experience deliver new housing in line with national and local policy.

 

Newcastle council for years have succeeded in doing the above. The council implemented early on the idea of developing the Quayside (which you have seemingly taken for granted), for years they have facilitated growth in the city that has seen it rise as the regions capital. Even now areas of high importance such as the Stevenson Quarter and the old S&N site are being secured for uses which will aid growth once the market returns. In retail we have a greater supply of property than cities like Leeds, never mind Sunderland would dearly love. The new Eldon Square development has attracted tenants which the likes of Leeds have been chasing for some time.

 

You also mention Gateshead - whom, whilst artificially making a couple of nice additions along the quayside, you clearly have not ventured into their town centre - soon to become a large Tesco - something Newcastle council - quite rightly would not allow.

 

Basically in a nutshell - Newcastle has the infrastructure - Sunderland does not. Whilst the council are an easy target, they must share some of the credit for putting us in this position over are dear neighbours.

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In your rage to type you fail to see I did post "Newcastle the city will always be better than Sunderland because of places like Grey Street, Collingwood Street, Northumberland Street, Eldon Square"

 

Not so much rage, just pointing out the facts. Places like Grey Street, Collingwood Street, Northumberland Street, Eldon Square are not the only reasons why Sunderland will lag. Sunderland suffers from chronic investment shortages, lack of demand and a council that has struggled to even faciliate the basic needs of infrastructure designed to bring it in the 21st century. Newcastle council is not perfect, but it has a better structure in place to identify key growth areas in the city and facilitate development. It certainly takes a more active role than Sunderland council in attempting to regenerate growth. Using social housing models as an indicator of which council is better is like attempting to argue one football club is better than another because they have a better right back (but the rest of the team are poorer), its just rediculous

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There investm....are f*** it I am not really aresed I have said the Newcastle City Centre will always be better.

do you think it's only better because of the likes of grey street or because the council and other agencies pulled their fingers out to make the most of what they had. thiking specifically of the regeneration of grainger town and quayside areas and the opportunities for commerce therein ?

 

 

 

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There investm....are f*** it I am not really aresed I have said the Newcastle City Centre will always be better.

do you think it's only better because of the likes of grey street or because the council and other agencies pulled their fingers out to make the most of what they had. thiking specifically of the regeneration of grainger town and quayside areas and the opportunities for commerce therein ?

 

I am not 100% sure what answer you are looking for with question that is loaded with your view point in. Will you change my mind? No. Will I change yours? No. Will the people at Newcatle City Council change my mind if they up their game on current projects like Walker Riverside, Cruddas Park Flats Riverside Dene & future plans such Cowgate (plan number ?!?!) yes they will.

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There investm....are f*** it I am not really aresed I have said the Newcastle City Centre will always be better.

do you think it's only better because of the likes of grey street or because the council and other agencies pulled their fingers out to make the most of what they had. thiking specifically of the regeneration of grainger town and quayside areas and the opportunities for commerce therein ?

 

I am not 100% sure what answer you are looking for with question that is loaded with your view point in. Will you change my mind? No. Will I change yours? No. Will the people at Newcatle City Council change my mind if they up their game on current projects like Walker Riverside, Cruddas Park Flats Riverside Dene & future plans such Cowgate (plan number ?!?!) yes they will.

 

So ultimately you have a beef with the council and the way in which it has dealt with social housing? You ignore every other aspect that the council has had involvement with to ensure our success as a city, Madras makes an excellent point - the Grainger Town project was very well managed. Like I said I have never had experience of YHN, my experience is generally commercial and to an extent housing delivery, but I must say, you fail to grasp the hurdles that have been placed not just on Newcastle City Council but every council in the country with deliverability. Meeting government targets in regional spatial strategies with the key points of Planning policy statement 3 endures a mountain of red tape; the council has just purchased the old Swan Hunter shipyard so it can hardly be accused of not being pro-active; you also have to remember that it does not have the funds to deliver projects at the moment and developers will not touch housing projects unless they reach a higher level of profitability than in recent years; borrowing has had a major impact and councils simply cannot gap fund every development.

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I think they are promoting there 2018 bid a bit better than WE are which is in the main was what I meant hence my post in this thread but alas I was replied to by zillion patriots.  WE don't even a have website more a tab on the NewcastleGateshead site or extension not 100% sure of the technical term, this is a big thing it should have its own website the rivals have like Leeds, Sunderland, Bristol!! It would be shame if council got complacent over something like this like NUFC did regarding Premier league football.

 

Ahhhhhhh commercial is you game. Will you change my mind? No. Will I change yours? No. Will the people at Newcastle City Council change my mind? Yes. If they can deal with some of the following sorting out the Oden, help fill the void of Npower leaving the City Centre for Houghton-Le-Spring, let bars & nightclubs stay open later like places such Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield, London, Birmingham etc.

 

I see some of the points you raise but your so defensive & in a rage because of patriotism you see nothing wrong with Newcastle.

 

Remember to show your support lads http://www.england2018bid.com/support/register.aspx

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I think they are promoting there 2018 bid a bit better than WE are which is in the main was what I meant hence my post in this thread but alas I was replied to by zillion patriots.  WE don't even a have website more a tab on the NewcastleGateshead site or extension not 100% sure of the technical term, this is a big thing it should have its own website the rivals have like Leeds, Sunderland, Bristol!! It would be shame if council got complacent over something like this like NUFC did regarding Premier league football.

 

Ahhhhhhh commercial is you game. Will you change my mind? No. Will I change yours? No. Will the people at Newcastle City Council change my mind? Yes. If they can deal with some of the following sorting out the Oden, help fill the void of Npower leaving the City Centre for Houghton-Le-Spring, let bars & nightclubs stay open later like places such Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield, London, Birmingham etc.

 

I see some of the points you raise but your so defensive & in a rage because of patriotism you see nothing wrong with Newcastle.

 

Remember to show your support lads http://www.england2018bid.com/support/register.aspx

 

n-power were always moving out of the city - well to the Gateshead Quays as part of their headline office development, in the current climate it was not deliverable and thus moved to wearside. That has nothing to do with the council. I can't understand how you consider my points as 'rage'. I'm merely pointing facts. As for the bid, which is the original point, I live in Leeds and I can honestly say I've not seen anything promoting their bid. In fact, other than on this forum I've not seen anything promoting any bid yet, other than the initial launch where Sunderland's bid was roundly ridaculed for including areas in Teeside and Tyneside. Maybe I am being complacent, but I cannot see Sunderland winning the bid, they don't have the transport infrastructure, they don't have the business infrastructure, they are not perceived as a 'cultural city', they have a smaller stadium and their last international event endured riots. Its just not going to happen. Newcastle is about as much of a banker outside OT and Wembley as you can get.

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Benwell Lad

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:-[ Looks like its Job Done...... The Latest group to back Sunderlands Bid......

 

http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/2009/10/27/nolan-sisters-backing-sunderland-for-world-cup-2018-61634-25020682/

 

;D  :mackems:

 

 

 

What with this and the "better social housing" someone mentioned earlier it seems like Newcastle has no chance now.

That is despite having an international airport, mainline train station, media centres, the region's most hotels/restaurants/pubs etc., as well as a bigger and better stadium which has actually staged international matches WITHOUT riots.

Perhaps Saint Niall has offered FIFA a "kids for a quid" deal.

 

What next ? Will Sunderland players and staff be living and socialising in Sunderland from now on too ?

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