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170 members have voted

  1. 1. Have you / do you intend to pledge to the 1892 Pledge scheme orchestrated by the NUST?

    • Yes
      69
    • No
      92


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Just a heads up for anyone who isn't a Trust member but has pledged money - you need to become a paid up member of the actual Trust to have a say in the vote deciding where the funds are donated. 

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https://twitter.com/nufctrust/status/1485012408171221004?s=21

 

Appreciate many on here have reservations about the activities of the Trust and the personalities involved, however this is absolutely the kind of thing we need them to be getting involved with.

 

What happened at the away turnstiles yesterday needs highlighting at every level. I was fortunate enough to get in before things got really hairy, however even at that point to describe the whole process as ‘shambolic’ would be a massive understatement.

 

Hopefully they can get to speak to the relevant people so there’s a proper investigation in to what went on.

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3 minutes ago, SteV said:

https://twitter.com/nufctrust/status/1485012408171221004?s=21

 

Appreciate many on here have reservations about the activities of the Trust and the personalities involved, however this is absolutely the kind of thing we need them to be getting involved with.

 

What happened at the away turnstiles yesterday needs highlighting at every level. I was fortunate enough to get in before things got really hairy, however even at that point to describe the whole process as ‘shambolic’ would be a massive understatement.

 

Hopefully they can get to speak to the relevant people so there’s a proper investigation in to what went on.

Of course it is. Not flogging jigsaws. 

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18 hours ago, SteV said:

https://twitter.com/nufctrust/status/1485012408171221004?s=21

 

Appreciate many on here have reservations about the activities of the Trust and the personalities involved, however this is absolutely the kind of thing we need them to be getting involved with.

 

What happened at the away turnstiles yesterday needs highlighting at every level. I was fortunate enough to get in before things got really hairy, however even at that point to describe the whole process as ‘shambolic’ would be a massive understatement.

 

Hopefully they can get to speak to the relevant people so there’s a proper investigation in to what went on.

The sort of thing that should be one of there main aims to protect fans and everything football related for us and every club , wonder if they have reached out to other clubs with large followings to see how their fans are treated? 

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  • 2 weeks later...

https://mailchi.mp/8a68a379b338/notice-of-annual-general-meetings?e=44af82a042

 

NUST have announced 2 AGMs (the delayed and this year's) without giving members the required notice period to be able to submit resolutions (28 days) and can't even get the day/date right - 22 February is a Tuesday, not a Thursday so fuck knows when it actually is...

 

It's just really really poor. 

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1 hour ago, Geordie2302 said:

https://mailchi.mp/8a68a379b338/notice-of-annual-general-meetings?e=44af82a042

 

NUST have announced 2 AGMs (the delayed and this year's) without giving members the required notice period to be able to submit resolutions (28 days) and can't even get the day/date right - 22 February is a Tuesday, not a Thursday so fuck knows when it actually is...

 

It's just really really poor. 

Oh dear :lol:

 

Absolute jokers. 

 

 

Edited by Joey Linton

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2 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

It's the Tuesday apparently, although might it get moved again / cancelled anyway to give the required 28 days notice? 

 

I emailed Greg, and got a response, It's only 14 days required to give notice of an AGM (not sure about two at once) but the rules also say members can only raise resolutions 28 days before an AGM (so a conflict in the rules). I raised a resolution by way of a motion of no confidence in december and have asked repeatedly for them to clarify receipt and that it will be discussed (seconded by several) - keep getting a stock "i will email you soon..." 

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2 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Woah, has he finished work then?

@Joey Linton you might get a reply.

 

 

Or just a partial one... I only seem to get a response where (and maybe I'm reading too much into it) they think they are getting one over on me i.e., saying it's 14 days notice required for an AGM, when my point, although initially poorly worded in haste, was around not allowing members sufficient time to raise resolutions in line with the rules... 

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1 hour ago, Geordie2302 said:

 

 

I plan to make them give a fuck, not least because I do...

 

I'm not a fan of the NUST by any means, but you're a right sad bastard the way you go on about them.

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23 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

I'm not a fan of the NUST by any means, but you're a right sad bastard the way you go on about them.

 

I respectfully disagree, if nobody calls this to account we'll never have a supporters trust worth talking about.

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Yep we’ve seen in the news for weeks now the importance of following your own rules.

 

yes these are boring mundane details to many but it is important that people like geordie2302 are checking these details and trying to hold people to account.

 

if people didn’t do this, society would collapse

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31 minutes ago, James said:

Yep we’ve seen in the news for weeks now the importance of following your own rules.

 

yes these are boring mundane details to many but it is important that people like geordie2302 are checking these details and trying to hold people to account.

 

if people didn’t do this, society would collapse

I get your point but the major difference being the group of people you are referring to in one instance are highly paid and it’s there job. Whereas the group of people you are comparing them too are volunteering their own limited time around their jobs and families.

 

Thats why any criticism of them should be measured with that in mind along with the knowledge there is nothing stopping yourself and other critics from stepping forward if they think they can do a better job of it.

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6 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I get your point but the major difference being the group of people you are referring to in one instance are highly paid and it’s there job. Whereas the group of people you are comparing them too are volunteering their own limited time around their jobs and families.

 

Thats why any criticism of them should be measured with that in mind along with the knowledge there is nothing stopping yourself and other critics from stepping forward if they think they can do a better job of it.


People on here did step forward for the NUST. Then they had to leave because of the fuckaboutery. There’s no point in volunteering your time if you can’t follow your own articles of association. 

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2 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I get your point but the major difference being the group of people you are referring to in one instance are highly paid and it’s there job. Whereas the group of people you are comparing them too are volunteering their own limited time around their jobs and families.

 

Thats why any criticism of them should be measured with that in mind along with the knowledge there is nothing stopping yourself and other critics from stepping forward if they think they can do a better job of it.

 

Isn't this the whole reason they're facing this level of criticism, though? The whole reason @Geordie2302 is digging so deep is it seems they've barely co-operated with a single query and it looks like @Heron felt he had no choice but to pack in his role because his attempts to bring a different view to the board was so readily dismissed.

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I understand where people think that it's sad or disproportionate but I think  it comes down to some basics for me in terms of communication, visibility and following the rules.

 

For four months I tried to mitigate several risks to the Trust (in my own time and not as a board member) but was met with resistance, challenge and failure to follow their (not mine) rules. They've wasted more of my time than the whole board attending a meeting per month for a 12 month period when they could have just followed the rules and not wasted anyone's time (accounts still haven't been provided despite the FSA advising they were in breach of their rules). Somewhere, someone (or someone's) made a conscious decision to basically say "fuck you" - that's fine but there's a consequence to that. 

 

I didn't stand previously because I didn't have time to commit to it as I know what's required - it's basically like being a director of a company - and let's be clear, they did volunteer. They want this responsibility. Unfortunately if you're going to be responsible then you have to be accountable per not just the rules but the regulations (laws) which  govern being a Trust board member. 

 

But ultimately I'm a member. I pay my subs and it's me (and every other member) they are accountable to. If I don't do it I don't see anyone else doing it and as a club why the fuck would they engage with an organisation with little credibility amongst their membership who can't get the basics right. 

 

If good men sit idly by and all that...

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

They're not the Millenium Group from the X-Files ffs [emoji38] 

 

I watched the x-files and don't remember the millennium group (i was youngish tbf) :doh:

 

You're probably right in terms of the "value" of the Trust right now, which is kind of my point - imagine how valuable it should be (and not in a financial context although as the richest club in the world...).

 

It should be regularly engaged with members (and the wider community), it should liaise with the club and feedback to fans, it should be leading and communicating on issues like the crush at Leeds, safe standing i.e., all the things that fans want which are proactive as well as reactionary.

 

And this is before any footballing reforms - imagine the current Trust board sitting opposite the club  with a "golden share" or equivalent. We'd never know, have any confidence or understand what was going on - well I doubt that I would.

 

 

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Have to agree with @Dr.Spacemanon this. I’ve read the responses to my last post and they come across lacking in any tolerance for people giving up their own time to turnaround what the NUST was to what it is slowly forming. Some people clearly struggle to separate the old NUST and the new NUST which is still in an embryonic phase I feel.

 

”I didn't stand previously because I didn't have time to commit to it as I know what's required - it's basically like being a director of a company - and let's be clear, they did volunteer. They want this responsibility. Unfortunately if you're going to be responsible then you have to be accountable per not just the rules but the regulations (laws) which  govern being a Trust board member.”

 

This one for example encapsulates the main issues quite well…

 

You assume those who took it upon themselves to volunteer to have a load of time on their hands or know what they were getting themselves into. The answer most likely is no on both accounts but they volunteered anyway and are doing quite well and have come a long way in a couple of years. Baring in mind mostly under an Ashley ownership it will be interesting to see how they progress under what seems a far more receptive ownership so maybe the time for judgement should be in the coming couple of years not the previous ones. 
 

I may remember incorrectly but out of the thousands of fans who could’ve put themselves forward for election I only seem to recall a grand total of around a dozen people who offered to try their best which was put to a vote and reduced to around half a dozen if I recall. (Personally I would’ve let everyone on and share the load and see where the first 12 months got you with each other’s strengths and weaknesses but they didn’t and no one raised it as an issue so a mute point perhaps but maybe something that might be considered in the future as people offering to help freely should never be dismissed).

 

So on that note you can still volunteer and offer what time you do have spare to either officially or unofficially to assist the NUST. Reading into your intentions and contrary to what you state it comes across that you might have a bit too much time on your hands to be honest. Let it be known if you were to stand I’ll happily vote for you but with no expectation of your overall time sacrificed and contribution only for any to be a positive one for its members. I’m sure I’ll get my ten pounds worth over the rest of my lifetime.

 

As for the @Heronsituation before commenting on it I’d like to make it clear I see him as a friend of mine along with @Greg so when I got wind @Heronhad quit the NUST my only concern was if he was ok and his friendship with @Gregwas ok which they both confirmed so. That’s because I see both these individuals for what they. Two fans of a club they dearly love and two absolute gentlemen always trying their best with whatever I’ve been involved with them in, wether it be SackPardew.Com, AshleyOut.Com and to a far far lesser extent from myself WorFlags and NUST.

 

Ive seen first hand the great sacrifices they’ve made and continue to make for the greater good of this club of ours and for that alone I guess I write this defence of both along with the agreeing with @Dr.Spacemanthat the level of expectation from the NUST is unrealistic and genuinely wonder if some think it’s this big powerful organisation. Maybe one day it might become that but it certainly is a long way from that currently.

 

I personally from the outside wished as a friend I would’ve had chance to speak to @Heronbefore he quit NUST as I would’ve encouraged him that it’s easier to make change within an organisation than from outside one. I thought his spell was far too short to expect great change and maybe give balance to a vision of the NUST he represents among the fan base alongside the vision of the NUST perhaps @Gregrepresents. His decision however to quit I’ve never once criticised as it was his choice and only he knows how he felt at the time but not only that it was his personal time he was giving up unpaid. The same goes for @Greg. I never took up the Pledge 1892 scheme as personally without any hint of hindsight felt it was clear to me it was going to end the way it has. However it was still a positive incentive with a lot of hard work put in freely again and I had no issues with it and hoped even for them to prove my scepticism unfounded and even though it didn’t it’s going to still have a massive positive effect on the local area if not the club itself directly. Those suggesting it distracted them for the real task in hand also may want to remind themselves of the stone wall which was the ownership at the timeframe this took form under. No one really cared about loyalty points or season ticket sale dates etc then.

 

“If good men sit idly by and all that...”


You might want to reflect on that statement and hopefully see the irony of the juxtaposition reflect back at you.
 

Anyway, together stronger… 

 

 

 

 

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