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CIA agents guilty of Italy kidnap

 

 

An Italian judge has convicted 23 Americans - all but one of them CIA agents - and two Italian secret agents for the 2003 kidnap of a Muslim cleric.

 

The agents were accused of abducting Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, known as Abu Omar, from Milan and sending him to Egypt, where he was allegedly tortured.

 

The trial, which began in June 2007, is the first involving the CIA's so-called "extraordinary rendition" programme.

 

The Obama administration has expressed its disappointment at the convictions.

 

"We are disappointed by the verdicts," state department spokesman Ian Kelly said in Washington.

 

He declined to comment further pending a written opinion from the judge, but said an appeal was likely.

 

Three Americans and five Italians were acquitted by the court in Milan.

 

Symbolic ruling

 

The Americans were all tried in their absence as they have not been extradited from the US to Italy.

 

 

The CIA's Milan station chief at the time, Robert Lady, was given an eight-year term, while the other 22 Americans convicted - one of them a US air force colonel - were sentenced to five years in prison.

 

Lawyers for the 23 Americans said they would appeal against their convictions.

 

The two Italian agents, who were convicted as accomplices to kidnapping, were given three-year prison terms.

 

The court also ruled that those convicted must pay 1m euros ($1.5m) in damages to Abu Omar and 500,000 euros to his wife.

 

CIA spokesman George Little in Washington declined to comment on the convictions, telling the Associated Press news agency: "The CIA has not commented on any of the allegations surrounding Abu Omar."

 

Secrecy laws

 

Italian prosecutors said Abu Omar was taken as part of a series of extraordinary renditions carried out by the CIA - when terror suspects were moved between countries without any public legal process.

 

 

They told the court he had been kidnapped in daylight on a Milan street in February 2003 and flown to Germany, and then Cairo, where he was held for years until being released without charge.

 

Judge Oscar Magi acquitted the CIA chief for Rome, Jeffrey Castelli, saying he was protected by state secrecy rules, as were the former head of Italy's military intelligence agency, Nicolo Pollari, and his deputy, Marco Mancini.

 

Mr Pollari, who resigned over the affair, told the court earlier this year that documents showing he had no involvement in the kidnapping were classified under secrecy laws.

 

Prosecutor Armando Spataro rejected the argument that legal provisions could shield those accused from prosecution, saying any agreement to carry out a kidnapping was "absolutely against Italian law".

 

He had sought a 13-year jail term for Mr Castelli and Mr Pollari and 12 years for Robert Lady.

 

Activist group Human Rights Watch welcomed the verdict, saying it sent "a strong signal of the crimes committed by the CIA in Europe".

 

Spokeswoman Joanne Mariner said: "For us, this first case puts the war on terror on trial."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8343123.stm

 

About time someone had the balls to take a stand and say "enough". Well done Italy.

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not really as they know they won't actually imprison the americans..

 

But, if they set foot in any country with an extradition treaty with Italy they'll be arrested and set to Italy to get locked up. That's all of Europe and a huge amount of other countries that are now off-limits to those people. It's a step in the right direction in my view and should be applauded.

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not really as they know they won't actually imprison the americans..

 

But, if they set foot in any country with an extradition treaty with Italy they'll be arrested and set to Italy to get locked up. That's all of Europe and a huge amount of other countries that are now off-limits to those people. It's a step in the right direction in my view and should be applauded.

should be applauded but i get the feeling it was more a cosmetic exercise than anything else.

 

so the americans are trapped in america. they probably wouldn't leave again anyway, they don't travel well.

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not really as they know they won't actually imprison the americans..

 

But, if they set foot in any country with an extradition treaty with Italy they'll be arrested and set to Italy to get locked up. That's all of Europe and a huge amount of other countries that are now off-limits to those people. It's a step in the right direction in my view and should be applauded.

should be applauded but i get the feeling it was more a cosmetic exercise than anything else.

 

so the americans are trapped in america. they probably wouldn't leave again anyway, they don't travel well.

 

Kinda screws their jobs though doesn't it. I think if it had been a cosmetic exercise that they knew would never result in anything then they'd have allowed the higher-ups to be convicted too. The fact that they didn't suggests that they're serious about it.

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not really as they know they won't actually imprison the americans..

 

But, if they set foot in any country with an extradition treaty with Italy they'll be arrested and set to Italy to get locked up. That's all of Europe and a huge amount of other countries that are now off-limits to those people. It's a step in the right direction in my view and should be applauded.

should be applauded but i get the feeling it was more a cosmetic exercise than anything else.

 

so the americans are trapped in america. they probably wouldn't leave again anyway, they don't travel well.

 

Kinda screws their jobs though doesn't it. I think if it had been a cosmetic exercise that they knew would never result in anything then they'd have allowed the higher-ups to be convicted too. The fact that they didn't suggests that they're serious about it.

screws their jobs ? yeah the US government will wipe their hands of them.

 

how i'm saying it was cosmetic as the italian authorities would have known they would never get the americans into court or face the tricky situation of actually incarcerating them.

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not really as they know they won't actually imprison the americans..

 

But, if they set foot in any country with an extradition treaty with Italy they'll be arrested and set to Italy to get locked up. That's all of Europe and a huge amount of other countries that are now off-limits to those people. It's a step in the right direction in my view and should be applauded.

should be applauded but i get the feeling it was more a cosmetic exercise than anything else.

 

so the americans are trapped in america. they probably wouldn't leave again anyway, they don't travel well.

 

Kinda screws their jobs though doesn't it. I think if it had been a cosmetic exercise that they knew would never result in anything then they'd have allowed the higher-ups to be convicted too. The fact that they didn't suggests that they're serious about it.

screws their jobs ? yeah the US government will wipe their hands of them.

 

how i'm saying it was cosmetic as the italian authorities would have known they would never get the americans into court or face the tricky situation of actually incarcerating them.

 

They'll have to change their roles though won't they and anyone fulfilling a similar role will need to behave differently from now on or face the consequences. Let's not forget that Italian government agents have been imprisoned for their parts in this, if all that happens is that Italy becomes a no go zone for the CIA and any other would-be government-backed kidnappers then surely that's good enough, isn't it?

 

As for them not actually following through on it, I bet that's what Polanski was thinking and look what happened to him.

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not really as they know they won't actually imprison the americans..

 

But, if they set foot in any country with an extradition treaty with Italy they'll be arrested and set to Italy to get locked up. That's all of Europe and a huge amount of other countries that are now off-limits to those people. It's a step in the right direction in my view and should be applauded.

should be applauded but i get the feeling it was more a cosmetic exercise than anything else.

 

so the americans are trapped in america. they probably wouldn't leave again anyway, they don't travel well.

 

Kinda screws their jobs though doesn't it. I think if it had been a cosmetic exercise that they knew would never result in anything then they'd have allowed the higher-ups to be convicted too. The fact that they didn't suggests that they're serious about it.

screws their jobs ? yeah the US government will wipe their hands of them.

 

how i'm saying it was cosmetic as the italian authorities would have known they would never get the americans into court or face the tricky situation of actually incarcerating them.

 

They'll have to change their roles though won't they and anyone fulfilling a similar role will need to behave differently from now on or face the consequences. Let's not forget that Italian government agents have been imprisoned for their parts in this, if all that happens is that Italy becomes a no go zone for the CIA and any other would-be government-backed kidnappers then surely that's good enough, isn't it?

 

As for them not actually following through on it, I bet that's what Polanski was thinking and look what happened to him.

italy wont become a no go area. only for those convicted will it.

 

polanski didn't really have government backing when he was carrying out what he did.

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not really as they know they won't actually imprison the americans..

 

But, if they set foot in any country with an extradition treaty with Italy they'll be arrested and set to Italy to get locked up. That's all of Europe and a huge amount of other countries that are now off-limits to those people. It's a step in the right direction in my view and should be applauded.

should be applauded but i get the feeling it was more a cosmetic exercise than anything else.

 

so the americans are trapped in america. they probably wouldn't leave again anyway, they don't travel well.

 

Kinda screws their jobs though doesn't it. I think if it had been a cosmetic exercise that they knew would never result in anything then they'd have allowed the higher-ups to be convicted too. The fact that they didn't suggests that they're serious about it.

screws their jobs ? yeah the US government will wipe their hands of them.

 

how i'm saying it was cosmetic as the italian authorities would have known they would never get the americans into court or face the tricky situation of actually incarcerating them.

 

They'll have to change their roles though won't they and anyone fulfilling a similar role will need to behave differently from now on or face the consequences. Let's not forget that Italian government agents have been imprisoned for their parts in this, if all that happens is that Italy becomes a no go zone for the CIA and any other would-be government-backed kidnappers then surely that's good enough, isn't it?

 

As for them not actually following through on it, I bet that's what Polanski was thinking and look what happened to him.

italy wont become a no go area. only for those convicted will it.

 

polanski didn't really have government backing when he was carrying out what he did.

 

Bit argumentative today mad, aren't we. ;)

 

You don't think that this would deter the Yanks from doing the same thing again in future?

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not really as they know they won't actually imprison the americans..

 

But, if they set foot in any country with an extradition treaty with Italy they'll be arrested and set to Italy to get locked up. That's all of Europe and a huge amount of other countries that are now off-limits to those people. It's a step in the right direction in my view and should be applauded.

should be applauded but i get the feeling it was more a cosmetic exercise than anything else.

 

so the americans are trapped in america. they probably wouldn't leave again anyway, they don't travel well.

 

Kinda screws their jobs though doesn't it. I think if it had been a cosmetic exercise that they knew would never result in anything then they'd have allowed the higher-ups to be convicted too. The fact that they didn't suggests that they're serious about it.

screws their jobs ? yeah the US government will wipe their hands of them.

 

how i'm saying it was cosmetic as the italian authorities would have known they would never get the americans into court or face the tricky situation of actually incarcerating them.

 

They'll have to change their roles though won't they and anyone fulfilling a similar role will need to behave differently from now on or face the consequences. Let's not forget that Italian government agents have been imprisoned for their parts in this, if all that happens is that Italy becomes a no go zone for the CIA and any other would-be government-backed kidnappers then surely that's good enough, isn't it?

 

As for them not actually following through on it, I bet that's what Polanski was thinking and look what happened to him.

italy wont become a no go area. only for those convicted will it.

 

polanski didn't really have government backing when he was carrying out what he did.

 

Bit argumentative today mad, aren't we. ;)

 

You don't think that this would deter the Yanks from doing the same thing again in future?

always like this matey and like hell will it deter the americans doing it again.
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not really as they know they won't actually imprison the americans..

 

But, if they set foot in any country with an extradition treaty with Italy they'll be arrested and set to Italy to get locked up. That's all of Europe and a huge amount of other countries that are now off-limits to those people. It's a step in the right direction in my view and should be applauded.

should be applauded but i get the feeling it was more a cosmetic exercise than anything else.

 

so the americans are trapped in america. they probably wouldn't leave again anyway, they don't travel well.

 

Kinda screws their jobs though doesn't it. I think if it had been a cosmetic exercise that they knew would never result in anything then they'd have allowed the higher-ups to be convicted too. The fact that they didn't suggests that they're serious about it.

screws their jobs ? yeah the US government will wipe their hands of them.

 

how i'm saying it was cosmetic as the italian authorities would have known they would never get the americans into court or face the tricky situation of actually incarcerating them.

 

They'll have to change their roles though won't they and anyone fulfilling a similar role will need to behave differently from now on or face the consequences. Let's not forget that Italian government agents have been imprisoned for their parts in this, if all that happens is that Italy becomes a no go zone for the CIA and any other would-be government-backed kidnappers then surely that's good enough, isn't it?

 

As for them not actually following through on it, I bet that's what Polanski was thinking and look what happened to him.

italy wont become a no go area. only for those convicted will it.

 

polanski didn't really have government backing when he was carrying out what he did.

 

Bit argumentative today mad, aren't we. ;)

 

You don't think that this would deter the Yanks from doing the same thing again in future?

always like this matey and like hell will it deter the americans doing it again.

 

Not even in Italy?

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not really as they know they won't actually imprison the americans..

 

But, if they set foot in any country with an extradition treaty with Italy they'll be arrested and set to Italy to get locked up. That's all of Europe and a huge amount of other countries that are now off-limits to those people. It's a step in the right direction in my view and should be applauded.

should be applauded but i get the feeling it was more a cosmetic exercise than anything else.

 

so the americans are trapped in america. they probably wouldn't leave again anyway, they don't travel well.

 

Kinda screws their jobs though doesn't it. I think if it had been a cosmetic exercise that they knew would never result in anything then they'd have allowed the higher-ups to be convicted too. The fact that they didn't suggests that they're serious about it.

screws their jobs ? yeah the US government will wipe their hands of them.

 

how i'm saying it was cosmetic as the italian authorities would have known they would never get the americans into court or face the tricky situation of actually incarcerating them.

 

They'll have to change their roles though won't they and anyone fulfilling a similar role will need to behave differently from now on or face the consequences. Let's not forget that Italian government agents have been imprisoned for their parts in this, if all that happens is that Italy becomes a no go zone for the CIA and any other would-be government-backed kidnappers then surely that's good enough, isn't it?

 

As for them not actually following through on it, I bet that's what Polanski was thinking and look what happened to him.

italy wont become a no go area. only for those convicted will it.

 

polanski didn't really have government backing when he was carrying out what he did.

 

Bit argumentative today mad, aren't we. ;)

 

You don't think that this would deter the Yanks from doing the same thing again in future?

always like this matey and like hell will it deter the americans doing it again.

 

Not even in Italy?

doubt it. it's like saying because i get caught mugging someone it'll put others off.

 

 

what action was actually taken against the US ?

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...if all that happens is that Italy becomes a no go zone for the CIA and any other would-be government-backed kidnappers then surely that's good enough, isn't it?

 

 

I imagine Opus Dei are in raptures and the Vatican secret police are planning into the next millenium.

 

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