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Afghan war 'to be funded by UK job cuts'

 

 

The defence secretary is due to outline how he plans to pay for extra equipment for British operations in Afghanistan by making cuts elsewhere.

 

An RAF base could be shut and thousands of defence jobs lost in Whitehall and also within the armed forces.

 

Bob Ainsworth is expected to tell MPs more than 20 Chinook helicopters are being ordered over the next 10 years.

 

It comes as a report accuses the MoD of driving up projects' overall budgets through short-term cost-cutting.

 

The BBC understands parts of RAF Kinloss, in Moray, could be mothballed as part of the spending cuts.

 

Tough negotiations

 

The government is expected to announce it is buying the Chinooks from Boeing after months of criticism over the number of helicopters in operation in Helmand, in Afghanistan.

 

An extra C17 transport plane could also be on the cards.

 

 

But the money will have to come out of the Ministry of Defence's existing budget, which is already overspent.

 

Mr Ainsworth is likely to announce cuts to the existing Harrier and Tornado fighter jet fleet, and a cutback of Nimrod reconnaissance aircraft.

 

The final decision will end months of tough negotiations over the 2010 spending round.

 

But there is more pain ahead in defence, with a public spending squeeze still to come.

 

'Negative picture'

 

Meanwhile, the spending watchdog, the National Audit Office (NAO), has warned of a £36bn deficit over the next 10 years if the defence budget is not increased.

 

And it criticised the Ministry of Defence for trying to clear the potential deficit with a "save now, pay later" approach.

 

The NAO cited the example of the Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carrier which has been put back to save £450m over four years - but says that will eventually increase costs by £1.12bn.

 

Its report said the cost of the 15 biggest military projects had increased by £1.2bn in 2008-9 alone, and £733m of that was down to deliberate delays.

 

Auditor general Amyas Morse said: "The MoD has a multi-billion pound budgetary black hole which it is trying to fix with a 'save now, pay later' approach.

 

"This gives a misleadingly negative picture of how well some major projects in the MoD are managed, represents poor value for money and heightens the risk that the equipment our armed forces require will not be available when it is needed or in the quantities promised."

 

Repatriation

 

Commons public accounts committee chairman Edward Leigh said the MoD was "building up trouble for the future".

 

Shadow defence secretary Liam Fox added: "This constant failure to contain cost and keep to timetable means that taxpayers' money is being wasted and our armed forces are being denied vital equipment which has meant a reduction in capability. It is shambolic."

 

Defence minister Quentin Davies said the government was committed to the aircraft carriers, but they would not be needed as quickly as they were being built and delaying them would have no cost for defence capability.

 

He said the Conservatives were "clearly planning to cancel them if they get into power".

 

He said it might cost more to delay projects but it was "an inescapable fact of life" that the defence budget had to be managed from year to year.

 

On Monday, Prime Minister Gordon Brown announced £150m would be spent on tackling improvised explosive devices in Afghanistan.

 

Some 122 of the 237 British service personnel who have died in Afghanistan have been killed by explosives, most of them IEDs.

 

The body of the soldier who became the 100th British fatality in Afghanistan this year, Lance Corporal Adam Drane, is to be returned to the UK later.

 

Meanwhile, the first of 500 extra British troops to be deployed to Afghanistan have arrived in the country.

 

The soldiers from The 1st Battalion The Royal Welsh (Royal Welsh Fusiliers) landed at 0505 local time (0035 GMT).

 

 

 

Why are we wasting our time with this unwinnable war, how much money, resources, and lives are we going to pour into Afghanistan, simply to kiss-up to the Americans?

 

I guess the argument might be that if certain groups are determined to fight us, then it's better that it happens in their back yard, rather than ours, but against that you've got the argument that the war is a self-fulfilling prophecy in that the longer it goes on the more people want to join it and the bigger the problems we create at home and elsewhere. There's also the possibility that if we left them alone, they might do the same to us.

 

Anyway regardless of the moral debate, people losing their jobs and stuff like this is sure to see this war become even less popular. So how long before Afghanistan becomes like Vietnam and is so unpopular with the public (for whatever reason) that we have to leave a la Iraq?

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So we are spending all this money on this war in a recession and will make further cuts to pay for it while other NATO nations dont pull their weight.

 

 

Fuck OFF

 

Maybe they've got the right idea.

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why the hell we still keep forces in Jormany always amazes me - I can see why you don't want thousands of extra squaddies  in the Uk but shirley they could be in Afghanistan

bigger areas for training and a past legacy from the iron curtain. also, ever had a night out in colchester, you'll be pleased so many squaddies spend a lot of time off these shores.
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It's not really about Al Qaeda. It's about the Taliban.

 

Mission creep is what it's about. First it was to do with 9/11 and Al Kidder, then it was about building communities, then it was about inusrgents, not it's possibly about the Taliban. Well the west funded the Taliban so heavily against the Russians, they made it a proper way of life (war) and played into the hands of all the local tribal leaders who basiccally make money from war and poppies and war on poppies and war for poppies...And who own these fuking poppies anyway?!!  Well the locals do and half the locals are either in the Taliban or againt the West in some other guise. Kabul is just using our troops to futher their own petty land grabs and settle old scores. This is unwinnable and we are dealing with a mix of enemies who are highly mobile and dissapear into the populus...All this is a recipie for disaster. We need to get out.

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It's not really about Al Qaeda. It's about the Taliban.

 

Mission creep is what it's about. First it was to do with 9/11 and Al Kidder, then it was about building communities, then it was about inusrgents, not it's possibly about the Taliban. Well the west funded the Taliban so heavily against the Russians, they made it a proper way of life (war) and played into the hands of all the local tribal leaders who basiccally make money from war and poppies and war on poppies and war for poppies...And who own these fuking poppies anyway?!!  Well the locals do and half the locals are either in the Taliban or againt the West in some other guise. Kabul is just using our troops to futher their own petty land grabs and settle old scores. This is unwinnable and we are dealing with a mix of enemies who are highly mobile and dissapear into the populus...All this is a recipie for disaster. We need to get out.

i've often wondered what would have happened if we'd said "the money we wont spend on bombs and soldiers and stuff we'll spend on building infrastructure etc providing you hold democratic elections and the money we save from on going operations in your country we'll spend onpolicing the drug thang"
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It's not really about Al Qaeda. It's about the Taliban.

 

They don't have a clue what they'd do if the Taliban disappeared overnight though. The previous lot were so bad people were partying on the street when the Taliban came in.

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It's not really about Al Qaeda. It's about the Taliban.

 

 

 

They don't have a clue what they'd do if the Taliban disappeared overnight though. The previous lot were so bad people were partying on the street when the Taliban came in.

 

Yup.

 

It's a deeply rooted tribal culture with factions and blood fueds going back hundreds of years, we seem to think they all want to live like us...They don't. They're not interested in democracy, they have warlords and tribal leaders  and factions change sides weekly. We in some wonderland where we think if we build a couple of Tesco's all will be fine.

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It's not really about Al Qaeda. It's about the Taliban.

 

 

 

They don't have a clue what they'd do if the Taliban disappeared overnight though. The previous lot were so bad people were partying on the street when the Taliban came in.

 

Yup.

 

It's a deeply rooted tribal culture with factions and blood fueds going back hundreds of years, we seem to think they all want to live like us...They don't. They're not interested in democracy, they have warlords and tribal leaders  and factions change sides weekly. We in some wonderland where we think if we build a couple of Tesco's all will be fine.

should have realised that when they didn't enjoy the pop tarts.
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It's not really about Al Qaeda. It's about the Taliban.

 

 

 

They don't have a clue what they'd do if the Taliban disappeared overnight though. The previous lot were so bad people were partying on the street when the Taliban came in.

 

Yup.

 

It's a deeply rooted tribal culture with factions and blood fueds going back hundreds of years, we seem to think they all want to live like us...They don't. They're not interested in democracy, they have warlords and tribal leaders  and factions change sides weekly. We in some wonderland where we think if we build a couple of Tesco's all will be fine.

 

If they think they've got bother now they want to see how bad Tesco direct's delivery system is. There's been hell on in this forum.

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So we are spending all this money on this war in a recession and will make further cuts to pay for it while other NATO nations dont pull their weight.

 

 

f*** OFF

 

Maybe they've got the right idea.

 

Maybe they have but NATO nations all agreed to carry the same burden.

 

Foreign faggots.

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So we are spending all this money on this war in a recession and will make further cuts to pay for it while other NATO nations dont pull their weight.

 

 

f*** OFF

 

Maybe they've got the right idea.

 

Maybe they have but NATO nations all agreed to carry the same burden.

 

Foreign faggots.

it's not a NATO operation.
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So we are spending all this money on this war in a recession and will make further cuts to pay for it while other NATO nations dont pull their weight.

 

 

f*** OFF

 

Maybe they've got the right idea.

 

Maybe they have but NATO nations all agreed to carry the same burden.

 

Foreign faggots.

it's not a NATO operation.

 

What isn't?

 

 

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So we are spending all this money on this war in a recession and will make further cuts to pay for it while other NATO nations dont pull their weight.

 

 

f*** OFF

 

Maybe they've got the right idea.

 

Maybe they have but NATO nations all agreed to carry the same burden.

 

Foreign faggots.

it's not a NATO operation.

 

What isn't?

 

 

afganistan. it's not a UN operation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:whistle:

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So we are spending all this money on this war in a recession and will make further cuts to pay for it while other NATO nations dont pull their weight.

 

 

f*** OFF

 

Maybe they've got the right idea.

 

Maybe they have but NATO nations all agreed to carry the same burden.

 

Foreign faggots.

it's not a NATO operation.

 

What isn't?

 

 

afganistan. it's not a UN operation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:whistle:

 

It was/is a NATO operation.

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So we are spending all this money on this war in a recession and will make further cuts to pay for it while other NATO nations dont pull their weight.

 

 

f*** OFF

 

Maybe they've got the right idea.

 

Maybe they have but NATO nations all agreed to carry the same burden.

 

Foreign faggots.

it's not a NATO operation.

 

What isn't?

 

 

afganistan. it's not a UN operation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:whistle:

 

It was/is a NATO operation.

thats why i was whistling you pillock
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So we are spending all this money on this war in a recession and will make further cuts to pay for it while other NATO nations dont pull their weight.

 

 

f*** OFF

 

Maybe they've got the right idea.

 

Maybe they have but NATO nations all agreed to carry the same burden.

 

Foreign faggots.

it's not a NATO operation.

 

What isn't?

 

 

afganistan. it's not a UN operation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:whistle:

 

It was/is a NATO operation.

thats why i was whistling you pillock

 

And i was never super serial myself cheese monkey  :lol:

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