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they are shit

 

that's about all you need to know about landrovers

 

had a friend who worked there (as a mechanic) and the amount of collapsed engines was apparently crazy

 

 

Freelanders?

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Discovery 4s are brilliant for offroad, not that anybody who drives a Landrover uses it for anything other than picking up the kids and shopping tbh.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article6924208.ece

 

November 22, 2009

Land Rover Discovery 4 3.0 TDV6 HSE

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The Land Rover Discovery 4

 

I don’t understand the Land Rover Discovery. It’s like torque and electricity and Peter Mandelson. We know it exists and we know what it does. But we can’t explain it very easily. In the olden days, it made sense. There was a big hole between the utilitarian, bring-your-own-earplugs Defender and the Range Rover, which had gone all Surrey, with fancy carpets and seats smothered in cow peelings. In other words, there was no car in the Land Rover line-up for the true countryman, who wanted one car to take his cows to market and his family to the pub. The Discovery filled that hole nicely and, as a result, became very popular with murderers.

 

Occasionally the Disco was bought by a farmer’s wife but mostly it was bought by people who like complicated guns and camouflage trousers. These people label themselves “off-road enthusiasts” and “green-laners” but it’s all just a front for murdering.

 

Why does anyone need camouflage trousers? It’s because they want to hide from the police in the woods. And why do they have a Discovery? Because a Discovery can get very far into those woods, which means bodies can be buried in places where they won’t be found by pesky dog-walkers.

 

You may wonder why they chose a Discovery rather than, say, a Toyota Land Cruiser, but that’s because you’re not paying attention. Like murderers in hillbilly America, “off-road enthusiasts” are practical people who enjoy mending engines and gearboxes. A Land Cruiser never goes wrong and, as a result, provides no opportunity for tinkering.

 

And, again, like the American backwoodsman, the British rural murderer is a fiercely patriotic soul who shoots squirrels and badgers simply to prepare for the day when he is called upon to kill communists and immigrants. Furthermore, if he had a Toyota he wouldn’t be able to get as far into the woods, so his bodies would be discovered and there’d be much unpleasantness.

 

You think this is nonsense? Really? Well, next time you are in the British countryside, look carefully at the person driving along in an old Land Rover Discovery and ask yourself a simple question. Would you let him take your daughter for a picnic?

 

Anyway, after Ken Noye was sent to prison, Land Rover stopped making a car for murderers and brought out a new Discovery. And, frankly, I couldn’t work out who it was for at all.

 

First of all, it had an extremely odd chassis arrangement. I shan’t bore you with the details here but the upshot of this peculiar decision was simple: the car weighed 2.7 tons. That is a lot. And that meant the fuel economy was dreadful.

 

There were other problems too. Yes, it had seven seats, but raising and lowering those seats was extremely complicated and required the use of two hands. Which was a bit of a nuisance for the sort of person who needs a seven-seater car — school-run mums. Who usually have to get the seats up and down while carrying a toddler or shopping. This, you knew, was a car designed by men in wellies who had no concept of children. But that’s gone now and we have an even more puzzling Discovery to try to fathom.

 

Apart from some fancier headlamps, it looks pretty much the same as the last version, but inside, it’s even more upmarket, with lots of soft-touch this and electronic that.

 

Underneath, they’ve fiddled with the suspension setup to make the steering more precise, they’ve lost some weight and now you can specify the 3-litre twin-turbo diesel engine that first saw the light of day in the Jaguar XF.

 

Retuned for the Disco so that it produces 241bhp, it’s epic. Yes, it sounds a bit coarse and diesely when you fire it up, but thereafter it’s sewing-machine smooth, nicely zingy and almost unbelievably economical. Drive carefully and you’ll get 30mpg.

 

I liked driving the new Disco very much. It was smooth, quiet and extremely comfortable; the steering was good, the driving position was excellent and, while you still needed two hands to move the seats about, the seven-seat practicality was a bonus as well.

 

Then there’s the price to think about. The range starts — with the old 2.7-litre version — at £32,000, while the car I tested is £47,695. I’m not going to pretend that this is cheap but it is £17,000 less than a diesel-powered Range Rover TDV8 Vogue.

 

And what exactly does the Range Rover have that the new Discovery does not? They have the same off-road gubbins, and the Disco has — for an extra 600 quid — the same brilliant command system, which means five exterior cameras feed images of what they see to the screen on the dash. You can choose which feed you want to look at, and even zoom in on things you find interesting.

 

The idea is that you can spot obstacles as you drive off-road, but it’s huge fun to switch between the images as you drive on road, making your own movie. It gets better. It’s possible, through mind-boggling technology, for the passenger to watch a DVD while the driver — looking at the same screen — sees the sat nav map. How brilliant is that?

 

Yes, the Range Rover has a V8 engine, but the Disco, with its new V6, is only 0.4sec slower to 60. And that doesn’t seem like £17,000-worth of lost oomph to me.

 

It used to be that the Range Rover felt more of a luxurious car. Not any more. With its hand-stitched leather and “mood” lighting, the Disco is just as palatial, and you have exactly the same imperious driving position. The conclusion, then, is simple. If you want a go-anywhere luxury car, buy the Discovery 4.

 

Except you can’t, because when you drive along in your new car, no one will think: “Ah, there’s a canny chap. He’s saved £17,000.” They will think: “Oh dear. Poor man. He can’t afford a Range Rover.” This is known, in my head, as the Porsche Boxster syndrome — you buy one if you can’t afford a 911.

 

In the same way, it’s impossible to drive a Discovery without thinking of the Range Rover. I’m not talking about the (ghastly) Range Rover Sport but what I call the “proper” Range Rover — aka the best car in the world. There is something about a Range Rover that makes you feel better even though the Discovery feels similar to drive. I can’t explain this any more than Faraday could explain electricity. It’s just a fact.

 

All you ever think in a Disco is: “God. I wish I had a Range Rover.” It’s like being on holiday in Port Grimaud. You’re in the same country as St Tropez. You’re on the same bay. You have the same weather and the same food. And you’ve paid less. But you’re not actually in St Tropez and that makes you feel constantly disappointed with your lot.

 

Of course, you can argue that you bought the Discovery because you need seven seats. But if you need seven seats, the Volvo XC90 is a more sensible, more practical, easier to use and less expensive solution.

 

So there we are. The Land Rover Discovery 4. It’s excellent. Don’t buy one.

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DailY Telegraph:-

 

 

Land Rover disappoints as Japanese cars storm ahead in reliability stakes

 

 

By Felix Lowe

Published: 10:02AM BST 20 Jun 2008

 

Japanese cars are in poll position when it comes to reliability, a new survey by Which? reveals today.

 

Japanese car manufacturers occupy eight of the top-ten spots, putting them miles ahead of European motors - especially the Land Rover, which came in at the bottom of the reliability table.

 

Honda topped the chart with a reliability index rating of 85pc, closely followed by fellow Japanese manufacturers Toyota (84pc), Daihatsu, Lexus, Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki (all 83pc).

 

Korean car company Hyundai is the first non-Japanese brand on the list, in eighth place, just ahead of another Japanese firm, Mitsubishi, in ninth.

 

The only European car maker to make it into the top ten was Porsche.

 

But it is not all positive news for Honda. While the firm's Japan-built Ciciv Hybrid model tops the large car chart table with a reliability score of 95pc, the Swindon-made Honda Civic falls short of the company's high reliability standards with a joint-bottom 82pc in the medium cars table, alongside the French Citroen C4.

 

The Which? Car survey included feedback from almost 90,000 car owners who reflected a car's reliability in relation to the number of breakdowns, faults and niggles encountered.

 

The poll was less complimentary of British and German carmakers, with Land Rover languishing at the bottom of the table - alongside American company Chrysler/Dodge - with a 'very poor' rating of just 67pc.

 

Volkswagen and Vauxhall are both rated 'poor' while Jaguar, Mini, Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz are rated 'average'.  In the large cars category, the popular Volkswagen Passat and the Citroen C5 share the joint-lowest reliability score.

 

Which? Car editor Richard Headland said: "Japan continues to show the rest of the world how to make consistently reliable cars, although the new Honda Civic shows they're not infallible.

 

"Some British-built cars, on the other hand, don't exactly run like clockwork. Land Rover, in particular, needs to raise its game."

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