NG32 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Great news! Let's hope the owner has grasped the concept of moving forward without pausing to take steps backwards again. How many times have we hoped that though? Negative! Pessimistic! Sad! ... Realist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. we sold because of all 3., if not there was no need for the request. Do you honestly think if he did not put a transfer request in he would still be here? That only came about because of the messing around. so why put the request in ? he'd only put it in if he thought he wasn't going to get the bumper pay rise or his move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VegasToon Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I just woke up. I am now as hard as a diamond. Fantastic news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Newcastle+United+v+Sheffield+Wednesday+PTXQFaLG4mdm.jpg "I will not sign a contract until we are safe and show ambition" http://www.kickette.com/files/2010/04/Jose-Enrique-Toso.jpg "I sign contract for life. I get paid nothing" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. we sold because of all 3., if not there was no need for the request. Do you honestly think if he did not put a transfer request in he would still be here? That only came about because of the messing around. so why put the request in ? he'd only put it in if he thought he wasn't going to get the bumper pay rise or his move. After getting dicked around him/agent had enough & fell into the trap (a very lucrative one) & put the request in. You listen to Harry, the Liverpool owner & AC it seems obvious Carroll was available & club were not bothered about him leaving with that mega wonga incoming. I don't think you can post anything that will change my mind. Of course I willing to read brand new information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 That in my opinion is the best thing we can hope to come out of this (as well as being here until 2017). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I honestly think that Carroll could have stayed at NUFC on his current deal. If he hadn't asked for more money, the club wouldn't have had to say no, then he wouldn't have submitted a transfer request and we would have been "selling him against his will" if he did leave. I for one think Carroll probably was a bit naive, and was given given some bad advise.. Carroll signing a £80 a week contract resulted in a very positive economical upturn for Carroll and the agent. As a consequence, the latter shithead had every incentive to unsettle him. That is the problem with agents generally, they ignore important sporting factors such as his age, that he's still undeveloped, that he's young and therefore needs to be in a stable environment to develop, like his home club. Had the agent given Carroll such advise, it's not sure that he would have demanded a new contract at all.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. we sold because of all 3., if not there was no need for the request. Do you honestly think if he did not put a transfer request in he would still be here? That only came about because of the messing around. so why put the request in ? he'd only put it in if he thought he wasn't going to get the bumper pay rise or his move. After getting dicked around him/agent had enough & fell into the trap (a very lucrative one) & put the request in. You listen to Harry, the Liverpool owner & AC it seems obvious Carroll was available & club were not bothered about him leaving with that mega wonga incoming. I doubt there is very little you can post to change my mind. the first bids were turned down, his putting in a request gives the club an extra 3 mill or so and makes the intent clear that he wants to leave. i don't think the club would've sold for 32mill and a player who could say to the press "i made no attempt to get out". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 That is the problem with agents generally, they ignore important sporting factors such as his age, that he's still undeveloped, that he's young and therefore needs to be in a stable environment to develop, like his home club. This is Newcastle we're talking about here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 BEST.DAY.EVER. :') Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 That is the problem with agents generally, they ignore important sporting factors such as his age, that he's still undeveloped, that he's young and therefore needs to be in a stable environment to develop, like his home club. This is Newcastle we're talking about here. Think your quote-fu went wrong there, I didn't say that. Not that it isn't an amazing post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Cheick Tiote's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Cheik Tiote! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Cheick Tiote's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Cheik Tiote! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. we sold because of all 3., if not there was no need for the request. Do you honestly think if he did not put a transfer request in he would still be here? That only came about because of the messing around. so why put the request in ? he'd only put it in if he thought he wasn't going to get the bumper pay rise or his move. After getting dicked around him/agent had enough & fell into the trap (a very lucrative one) & put the request in. You listen to Harry, the Liverpool owner & AC it seems obvious Carroll was available & club were not bothered about him leaving with that mega wonga incoming. I doubt there is very little you can post to change my mind. the first bids were turned down, his putting in a request gives the club an extra 3 mill or so and makes the intent clear that he wants to leave. i don't think the club would've sold for 32mill and a player who could say to the press "i made no attempt to get out". As I said when you have new information drop me a PM. As I going with http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2011/02/01/andy-carroll-united-pushed-me-out-of-toon-72703-28092792/ Of course he put the transfer request I am aware of that. Big mistake by the lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 So basically its Carroll's word against Pardew's? So nobody knows either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 contracts mean fuck all in football nowadays. Would love him to see out the full six and a half years but at the same time wouldn't be surprised one bit if he's sold in the summer if a £10-15m bid comes in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 MA: We only offer five and half year deals MA: Six and a Half ..... no problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 contracts mean f*** all in football nowadays. Would love him to see out the full six and a half years but at the same time wouldn't be surprised one bit if he's sold in the summer if a £10-15m bid comes in. They do in a way, if anyone approaches us now, they have to pay top dollar. It may ward other teams off except for the very rich. Also the new rules come into play. This is a good move by the club. I dont see how it can been seen any other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Cheick Tiote's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Cheik Tiote! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 contracts mean f*** all in football nowadays. Would love him to see out the full six and a half years but at the same time wouldn't be surprised one bit if he's sold in the summer if a £10-15m bid comes in. They do in a way, if anyone approaches us now, they have to pay top dollar. It may ward other teams off except for the very rich. Also the new rules come into play. This is a good move by the club. I dont see how it can been seen any other way. What are the new finance rules, in regard to contracts btw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 contracts mean f*** all in football nowadays. Would love him to see out the full six and a half years but at the same time wouldn't be surprised one bit if he's sold in the summer if a £10-15m bid comes in. They do in a way, if anyone approaches us now, they have to pay top dollar. It may ward other teams off except for the very rich. Also the new rules come into play. This is a good move by the club. I dont see how it can been seen any other way. what was his original deal? He was only half a year into the one he got when signed, not like it was running out. And I'm not saying its not good for the club, its just I'm hesitant to believe that this means he won't be going anywhere anytime soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 contracts mean f*** all in football nowadays. Would love him to see out the full six and a half years but at the same time wouldn't be surprised one bit if he's sold in the summer if a £10-15m bid comes in. They do in a way, if anyone approaches us now, they have to pay top dollar. It may ward other teams off except for the very rich. Also the new rules come into play. This is a good move by the club. I dont see how it can been seen any other way. What are the new finance rules, in regard to contracts btw? In what whay, i'm talking about teams only spendng what they earn so that reduces the amount of money that can get spent or will be spent. Sticking tiote on this 6 1/2 year deal may put other clubs/teams off now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 contracts mean f*** all in football nowadays. Would love him to see out the full six and a half years but at the same time wouldn't be surprised one bit if he's sold in the summer if a £10-15m bid comes in. They do in a way, if anyone approaches us now, they have to pay top dollar. It may ward other teams off except for the very rich. Also the new rules come into play. This is a good move by the club. I dont see how it can been seen any other way. what was his original deal? He was only half a year into the one he got when signed, not like it was running out. And I'm not saying its not good for the club, its just I'm hesitant to believe that this means he won't be going anywhere anytime soon. I'm not saying he wont go anywhere, he could well do. But securing an asset that has 2 years left on it to 6 1/2 is brilliant, especially if you know other clubs will be sniffing. Come on man, is common sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 So then, what IS the correct spelling of his first name? We changed spelling in the title on here from Cheick to Cheik as that's the spelling on a number of websites including Wiki but I've noticed most sources including the official website and .com are now using Cheick. I need to know!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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