Why are people surprised that Govt cuts "hit the poor"

[Rob W]

Since the Govt gives money to poor and sick people but not on rich and healthy ones it seems pretty obvious who is going to get hit that when you cut cash spending

 

surely that's also the point of being rich - so you have cash when others are scrabbling................

 

 

[neesy111]

The Governments cuts are to get rid of the scronging society which we live in.  When some people haven't done a days work in their lifes, despite being able to work, thats who it should hit.

[Northerngimp]

The whole idea over the last 10/11 years was to try and life the poor out of poverty but thats clearly failed and it looks like some people will be plunged further into poverty now.

 

Maybe we should look into why some folks are so dependant on state hand outs.

[neesy111]

The whole idea over the last 10/11 years was to try and life the poor out of poverty but thats clearly failed and it looks like some people will be plunged further into poverty now.

 

Maybe we should look into why some folks are so dependant on state hand outs.

 

Mainly cos quite a lot of them don't want to work IMO.

[cp40]

The whole idea over the last 10/11 years was to try and life the poor out of poverty but thats clearly failed and it looks like some people will be plunged further into poverty now.

 

Maybe we should look into why some folks are so dependant on state hand outs.

 

Mainly cos quite a lot of them don't want to work IMO.

 

this, for too many ( not including the worthy ones) its just a lifestyle choice.

[Northerngimp]

The whole idea over the last 10/11 years was to try and life the poor out of poverty but thats clearly failed and it looks like some people will be plunged further into poverty now.

 

Maybe we should look into why some folks are so dependant on state hand outs.

 

Mainly cos quite a lot of them don't want to work IMO.

 

Thats the culture that needs broken.

 

Dont give them money, give them food vouchers and essentials.  If they want some lifestyle treats like LCD tvs and Sky tv then get a fucking job.

[neesy111]

The whole idea over the last 10/11 years was to try and life the poor out of poverty but thats clearly failed and it looks like some people will be plunged further into poverty now.

 

Maybe we should look into why some folks are so dependant on state hand outs.

 

Mainly cos quite a lot of them don't want to work IMO.

 

Thats the culture that needs broken.

 

Dont give them money, give them food vouchers and essentials.  If they want some lifestyle treats like LCD tvs and Sky tv then get a fucking job.

 

Totally Agree.

 

Also people having kids so they can get house's etc, is not correct as well.

[Guest Stephen927]

Vouchers is the way to go. It's a bit demeaning for those who do want to work but are down on their luck, but it should push them further. For those who plain don't want to work, well, then they deserve to be demeaned and made to feel small.

 

It's ingrained now, people don't want to work, why should they when their parents maybe didn't work. Women have kids so they get a house whereas hardworking Joe down the street works 40 hours a week and is on the waiting list for a house.

[cp40]

Vouchers is the way to go. It's a bit demeaning for those who do want to work but are down on their luck, but it should push them further. For those who plain don't want to work, well, then they deserve to be demeaned and made to feel small.

 

It's ingrained now, people don't want to work, why should they when their parents maybe didn't work. Women have kids so they get a house whereas hardworking Joe down the street works 40 hours a week and is on the waiting list for a house.

 

 

personaly I think a payment card, like a debit card- but with restrictions( no cash withdrawals, no Alcohol, etc etc.) is the way to go.

 

My lass has woked in Benefits for years, has had meeting with mps on these subjects, she rekons they just dont care, sorting it out is more trouble than its worth.

[neesy111]

This country needs the biggest ever shake up ever to the benefits system.

 

We simply can't go along like it has been for the last 15-20 years.  Also it has to come from the Education system that you have to work if you want a comfortable living.

[Northerngimp]

I really ont mind supporting a family where they parents are really down on some bad luck, mae redundant etc.  I 'll support that best i can.

 

But i'm not paying for little jackies scrots to lay about all day. 

 

I'm sorry like but its not fecking on.

[The Prophet]

We're not suprised, it's what the Tories do.

[cp40]

Trade Unions are Today calling for Demonstrations/ civil disobedience, national strike against cuts.

 

Winter of Discontent here we go again.

[The Prophet]

The General Sec of TUC was spot on in almost everything he said.

[BlueStar]

The Governments cuts are to get rid of the scronging society which we live in.  When some people haven't done a days work in their lifes, despite being able to work, thats who it should hit.

 

Everyone agree with cuts as long as it doesn't cut something they actually use.  The cuts proposed by the government are not going to just affect Vicky Pollard, tens of thousands of front line police officers are going to be out of work for a start.  Then presumably they don't get any benefits because they've suddenly become scrounging work-shy dole wallers.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11264006

 

[cp40]

Im just hearing opn the Radio that 'Big' business owes the treasury £96 billion in unpaid corporation Tax.

If this is true, added to the Banking bailout, it looks like the public sector is being hit Very hard in response.

[Toon Amy]

It is probably true. Vodafone owes £6 billion in tax but the Tories will rather hurt the little people than go after big business

Britains £6Billion Vodafone bill

[cp40]

How much is the Budget deficit? How much are theGov trying to cut/ save?

Anyone?

 

Just wondering how this compares to the 96 billion in due corporation Tax.

[neesy111]

How much is the Budget deficit? How much are theGov trying to cut/ save?

Anyone?

 

Just wondering how this compares to the 96 billion in due corporation Tax.

 

£1 in every £4 we spend is borrowed.  That's a shocking figure.

[neesy111]

The Governments cuts are to get rid of the scronging society which we live in.  When some people haven't done a days work in their lifes, despite being able to work, thats who it should hit.

 

Everyone agree with cuts as long as it doesn't cut something they actually use.  The cuts proposed by the government are not going to just affect Vicky Pollard, tens of thousands of front line police officers are going to be out of work for a start.  Then presumably they don't get any benefits because they've suddenly become scrounging work-shy dole wallers.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11264006

 

 

Our benefits bill takes up 33% of our national budget, eating into that is what we need to do.

 

Not bothered about the police, they need a massive wakeup call with having their budget doubled and we really haven't seen much progress in the police force.

 

Some government departments are totally inefficient.

[cp40]

My google/ computer is totally fucked up and i cannot search for anything.

But im thinking if these businesses paid up the individual wouldnt lose his job.

 

Of course its what the tories are about- cutting public spendig to the minimum and cosy up to thier mates ( nice Tax arangements) in these Big businesses.

[Disco]

The whole idea over the last 10/11 years was to try and life the poor out of poverty but thats clearly failed and it looks like some people will be plunged further into poverty now.

 

Maybe we should look into why some folks are so dependant on state hand outs.

 

Mainly cos quite a lot of them don't want to work IMO.

 

Thats the culture that needs broken.

 

Dont give them money, give them food vouchers and essentials.  If they want some lifestyle treats like LCD tvs and Sky tv then get a fucking job.

 

Said this a while back.

 

Benefits should be cut to the point where it makes economic sense for almost everyone to work.

 

Fully agree.

 

Still think it would be a decent idea to scrap most monetary benefits and give people food/necessity stamps instead therefore if they wanted luxuries they had little/no way of getting them but still had all the basics.

 

Don't they do that in the states?  6 months of benefits according to the salary you were on, and then it's food vouchers?

 

Haven't got a clue but it had always seemed logical to me. Taking it to the next step you could ensure people only use the vouchers to buy healthy food too thus helping the NHS at the same time. Would help create a stigma around it too which doesn't exist so much with signing on at the moment.

[neesy111]

The whole idea over the last 10/11 years was to try and life the poor out of poverty but thats clearly failed and it looks like some people will be plunged further into poverty now.

 

Maybe we should look into why some folks are so dependant on state hand outs.

 

Mainly cos quite a lot of them don't want to work IMO.

 

Thats the culture that needs broken.

 

Dont give them money, give them food vouchers and essentials.  If they want some lifestyle treats like LCD tvs and Sky tv then get a fucking job.

 

Said this a while back.

 

Benefits should be cut to the point where it makes economic sense for almost everyone to work.

 

Fully agree.

 

Still think it would be a decent idea to scrap most monetary benefits and give people food/necessity stamps instead therefore if they wanted luxuries they had little/no way of getting them but still had all the basics.

 

Don't they do that in the states?  6 months of benefits according to the salary you were on, and then it's food vouchers?

 

Haven't got a clue but it had always seemed logical to me. Taking it to the next step you could ensure people only use the vouchers to buy healthy food too thus helping the NHS at the same time. Would help create a stigma around it too which doesn't exist so much with signing on at the moment.

 

Yeap, this topic has been discussed many times before.

[mrmojorisin75]

Im just hearing opn the Radio that 'Big' business owes the treasury £96 billion in unpaid corporation Tax.

If this is true, added to the Banking bailout, it looks like the public sector is being hit Very hard in response.

 

what always does and always will eat at me about the Tories (and right wing big business dick-sucking governments the world over): if you're gonna fuck people make it fair and across the board, not just shaft the little guy 'cause it's easy

 

i won't argue with anything that's said so far in this thread 'cause it's pretty much right but i'm sure if people start looking there's so much that could be done to recover billions from businesses who are exploiting loopholes and moving cash to dodgy places etc. - it just won't be done

 

[mrmojorisin75]

My google/ computer is totally fucked up and i cannot search for anything.

But im thinking if these businesses paid up the individual wouldnt lose his job.

 

Of course its what the tories are about- cutting public spendig to the minimum and cosy up to thier mates ( nice Tax arangements) in these Big businesses.