colinmk Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I just mean, we'll be a small insignificant nation. It's probably just a hangover from the "World Player" Britain of the last, well, of my whole life, but I've little to believe we'd actually do well. We do as well as we do just now because we're in the Union. If we leave, I doubt free prescriptions, council tax freezes for 5 years etc are going to be as easy to maintain. I don't like how much we're hinging our hopes on Europe, who are, quite frankly, as corrupt as they come and I want nothing to do with the EU in its current form. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/oct/30/global-prosperity-index-usa-economy?fb=native I'm not saying this is 100% credible or whatever but looking at that countries I would say are of similar size/potential to Scotland are doing rather well. As for the EU thing I agree but there is no real alternative is there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Fair point, I can see a lot of reasons why residents might go for it. TBF though, Scottish constituencies send MPs the same as people in Moss Side or North Shields. I doubt 'Westminster' as a whole has any idea about those places either, but it's the MPs job to represent their interests. I know it doesn't really work, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Despite what Cameron says about keeping the Union intact, it's actually an English Tory's dream scenario for Scotland to become independent. So I hope Scotland says a resounding no to Independence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garth Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Its good, I'll only have to travel 60 miles to go abroad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garth Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garth Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Well I'm not going to debate on this as I don't really know that much about UK politics. All I can say is I can't see the problem with them being independent. I mean if you say their part of the UK, then same could be said about all the European countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Well I'm not going to debate on this as I don't really know that much about UK politics. All I can say is I can't see the problem with them being independent. I mean if you say their part of the UK, then same could be said about all the European countries. not really. european countries can make their own laws etc, as can the UK, of which scotland is a part. it was an independent nation in the past, as was Northumbria, wessex,cornwall etc. the way some go on you'd think scotland was an occupied seperate state. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Now there's an idea! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Scotland didn't vote for tories yet we are still ruled by them overall, how is that right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Well I'm not going to debate on this as I don't really know that much about UK politics. All I can say is I can't see the problem with them being independent. I mean if you say their part of the UK, then same could be said about all the European countries. not really. european countries can make their own laws etc, as can the UK, of which scotland is a part. it was an independent nation in the past, as was Northumbria, wessex,cornwall etc. the way some go on you'd think scotland was an occupied seperate state. When you daft cunts let the tories in time and again, believe me, it feels like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Scotland didn't vote for tories yet we are still ruled by them overall, how is that right? That's democracy though isn't it? I bet most of Tyneside didn't vote for the Tories either, but they abide by the result of the election like anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Well I'm not going to debate on this as I don't really know that much about UK politics. All I can say is I can't see the problem with them being independent. I mean if you say their part of the UK, then same could be said about all the European countries. not really. european countries can make their own laws etc, as can the UK, of which scotland is a part. it was an independent nation in the past, as was Northumbria, wessex,cornwall etc. the way some go on you'd think scotland was an occupied seperate state. When you daft c***s let the tories in time and again, believe me, it feels like it. well it was jocks that f***ed the labour party wasn't it (blair, brown) ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Well I'm not going to debate on this as I don't really know that much about UK politics. All I can say is I can't see the problem with them being independent. I mean if you say their part of the UK, then same could be said about all the European countries. not really. european countries can make their own laws etc, as can the UK, of which scotland is a part. it was an independent nation in the past, as was Northumbria, wessex,cornwall etc. the way some go on you'd think scotland was an occupied seperate state. When you daft c***s let the tories in time and again, believe me, it feels like it. well it was jocks that f***ed the labour party wasn't it (blair, brown) ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Scotland didn't vote for tories yet we are still ruled by them overall, how is that right? That's democracy though isn't it? I bet most of Tyneside didn't vote for the Tories either, but they abide by the result of the election like anyone. We are a seperate country though, surely that's the difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Scotland didn't vote for tories yet we are still ruled by them overall, how is that right? That's democracy though isn't it? I bet most of Tyneside didn't vote for the Tories either, but they abide by the result of the election like anyone. We are a seperate country though, surely that's the difference? no you aren't. you're part of the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Scotland didn't vote for tories yet we are still ruled by them overall, how is that right? That's democracy though isn't it? I bet most of Tyneside didn't vote for the Tories either, but they abide by the result of the election like anyone. We are a seperate country though, surely that's the difference? no you aren't. you're part of the UK. So are you not english then? By definition I'm sure you are correct Madras fair enough, but why would we even be having a referendum if we are not considered a seperate nation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Scotland didn't vote for tories yet we are still ruled by them overall, how is that right? That's democracy though isn't it? I bet most of Tyneside didn't vote for the Tories either, but they abide by the result of the election like anyone. We are a seperate country though, surely that's the difference? no you aren't. you're part of the UK. So are you not english then? yes, and a geordie and a novcastrian, though it says none of them on my passport. conversely, if you were a seperate nation you wouldn't need a referendum to become seperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW1983 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Does Scottish Independence mean that Scotland will be truly independent? Or is it just independent on paper. By that i mean will the United Kingdom still exist? If thats what they want then fair enough but for me if they vote for independence than i truly hope that its complete, as in no longer part of the UK and no affiliation to the UK's resources. I would hate to think that England, Wales and NI would be contributing towards Scotland's well being in any other way than the way we may or may not currently be doing with the EU and for the record i hope its vice/versa too. Just for the record though, i think its a bad idea. We need each other more than either party would care to admit IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Scotland didn't vote for tories yet we are still ruled by them overall, how is that right? That's democracy though isn't it? I bet most of Tyneside didn't vote for the Tories either, but they abide by the result of the election like anyone. We are a seperate country though, surely that's the difference? no you aren't. you're part of the UK. So are you not english then? By definition I'm sure you are correct Madras fair enough, but why would we even be having a referendum if we are not considered a seperate nation? This is where the Yes camp lose me. I'm not going to bang on about "we're a separate nation" stuff. We are the UK, ideologically, I love the principle behind the Union, I love what Britain can and has been, the Olympic spirit was a good example of us coming together, but the Tories are driving us out. They want it, and, well, we're fed up with them, so even some of the more loyal Scots to the Union are questioning why we should still put up with this shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 We'd be completely seperate, our own everything if you know what I mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northerngimp Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't see what's the problem is with Scottish independence, same goes for Wales. Your still going to rely on each other economically. Just they will have a say in the running of their country, so it should be! they already have a say in the running of their "country". How much do they have in running their country? I mean they don't have their own customs and excise, army, navy etc. Which they should have. as much as england has. there is a UK, of which they are part, army,navy, customs and excise etc. Scotland didn't vote for tories yet we are still ruled by them overall, how is that right? That's democracy though isn't it? I bet most of Tyneside didn't vote for the Tories either, but they abide by the result of the election like anyone. We are a seperate country though, surely that's the difference? no you aren't. you're part of the UK. So are you not english then? By definition I'm sure you are correct Madras fair enough, but why would we even be having a referendum if we are not considered a seperate nation? This is where the Yes camp lose me. I'm not going to bang on about "we're a separate nation" stuff. We are the UK, ideologically, I love the principle behind the Union, I love what Britain can and has been, the Olympic spirit was a good example of us coming together, but the Tories are driving us out. They want it, and, well, we're fed up with them, so even some of the more loyal Scots to the Union are questioning why we should still put up with this s***. The queen does not want the break up of the Union. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Does Scottish Independence mean that Scotland will be truly independent? Or is it just independent on paper. By that i mean will the United Kingdom still exist? If thats what they want then fair enough but for me if they vote for independence than i truly hope that its complete, as in no longer part of the UK and no affiliation to the UK's resources. I would hate to think that England, Wales and NI would be contributing towards Scotland's well being in any other way than the way we may or may not currently be doing with the EU and for the record i hope its vice/versa too. Just for the record though, i think its a bad idea. We need each other more than either party would care to admit IMO. It would be a complete split. We'd no longer be part of the UK, although the Queen would still be our head of state. Which is beginning to fracture the Yes camp a bit, I certainly don't want to bring those leeches with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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